B/O Forecast: Pirates 3 Vs. Spider-Man 3

[Cinemaman]

mmmmm...no. The Box Office should be important for the studios, not to you. You should care about the quality of the movie.

Yeah, but I didn't say anything about myself, did I?

 

[Cyrusbales]

considering POTC 2 was terrible, SM3 will own. Also, SM has decades worth of fans, POTC has lots of teenage girls.......

 

[Hunter Rider]

considering POTC 2 was terrible, SM3 will own. Also, SM has decades worth of fans, POTC has lots of teenage girls.......

Thats so silly Cyrus for a supposed smart guy,you don't make 1 billion on teenage girls and so far POTC has killed at the BO,your view on it's quality is irrelevant in this debate,we are talking facts and figures.

 

[Matt]

considering POTC 2 was terrible, SM3 will own. Also, SM has decades worth of fans, POTC has lots of teenage girls.......

...sigh...fanboys can say that all they want, hell...the Superman ones are still saying it...but you shouldn't underestimate Pirates. Aside from the fact that Number 2 was a transitionary movie and 3 will be the climax of the series (and in theory the most exciting)...the fact remains...1 BILLION DOLLARS. Something either Spider-Man movie has made. Box Office is a far better indication of popularity than critics or internet message boards.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Thats so silly Cyrus for a supposed smart guy,you don't make 1 billion on teenage girls and so far POTC has killed at the BO,your view on it's quality is irrelevant in this debate,we are talking facts and figures.

But POTC is a new craze, whilst SM has built up a massive fanbase over half a century. I think a lot more people wanna see venom and sandman than keith richards.

Also, general opinion on the streets is that SM3 looks to be the best of the trilogy and look how the other did in the box office! Not too mention all the die hard raimi and bruce fans out there.

 

[Matt]

But POTC is a new craze, whilst SM has built up a massive fanbase over half a century. I think a lot more people wanna see venom and sandman than keith richards.

Also, general opinion on the streets is that SM3 looks to be the best of the trilogy and look how the other did in the box office! Not too mention all the die hard raimi and bruce fans out there.

Just what is the "street" opinion that you use coming from? Have you done polls? Have you done studies? Didn't think so. And Superman has a century worth of fans...look how much good that did it. All the Spider-Man fans and die-hard Sam Raimi fans can see this movie 3 times each and the fact is, it would probably earn it about 10 million at the box office...if its lucky. And believe it or not, Sandman means jack to the public. Venom means a little bit more...but not that much, especially being as he was cut from the trailer, most people aren't even aware he is in it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

But POTC is a new craze, whilst SM has built up a massive fanbase over half a century. I think a lot more people wanna see venom and sandman than keith richards.

Also, general opinion on the streets is that SM3 looks to be the best of the trilogy and look how the other did in the box office! Not too mention all the die hard raimi and bruce fans out there.

They want to see Jack Sparrow more than any of those you mentioned

What streets are these ?surely by Bruce you aren't meaning Campbell ?

 

[Matt]

They want to see Jack Sparrow more than any of those you mentioned

What streets are these ?surely by Bruce you aren't meaning Campbell ?

Hey Hunter, am I the only one having de ja vu? This all seems so familiar

But seriously guys, I'm not even calling it for Pirates, it is too close call right now...but to write Pirates off is just foolish. Look where it got the Superman fans.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Just what is the "street" opinion that you use coming from? Have you done polls? Have you done studies? Didn't think so. And Superman has a century worth of fans...look how much good that did it. All the Spider-Man fans and die-hard Sam Raimi fans can see this movie 3 times each and the fact is, it would probably earn it about 10 million at the box office...if its lucky. And believe it or not, Sandman means jack to the public. Venom means a little bit more...but not that much, especially being as he was cut from the trailer, most people aren't even aware he is in it.

Well I don't know anyone in real life who like POTC 2, and everyone likes SM and knows venom is in it. Spider-man the animated series was basically the best cartoon for children in the 90's and has made a lasting impression on the general public. POTC will be harmed by the poor quality of the second movie, most people on here believe POTC 2 is worse than POTC1 even if they like it. And you have to also consider the trailer for SM3 has been pumped into people quite well and people have reacted massively to it, people clapping etc at a Trailer? WTF??? I don't know! But my best mate work in a cinema, and no-one is talking about POTC even though they have a massive poster, the focus us hugely on SM3.

And sandman doesn't mean that much to people, then they see the trailer, then people go WOW. IT's how things have been going.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Hey Hunter, am I the only one having de ja vu? This all seems so familiar

But seriously guys, I'm not even calling it for Pirates, it is too close call right now...but to write Pirates off is just foolish. Look where it got the Superman fans.

Oh yeah man it's like i'm checking my calendar to make sure it's not 2006t:

I don't think any of these movies will "own" each other in fact i see them all making less than their potential but until POTC3 gets it's trailer out there it's to soon to judge and IMO the mainstream only need a couple of months hype and promo to get interested,only fanboys want trailers and such 6 and 7 months ahead of release.

 

[Matt]

Well I don't know anyone in real life who like POTC 2, and everyone likes SM and knows venom is in it. Spider-man the animated series was basically the best cartoon for children in the 90's and has made a lasting impression on the general public. POTC will be harmed by the poor quality of the second movie, most people on here believe POTC 2 is worse than POTC1 even if they like it. And you have to also consider the trailer for SM3 has been pumped into people quite well and people have reacted massively to it, people clapping etc at a Trailer? WTF??? I don't know! But my best mate work in a cinema, and no-one is talking about POTC even though they have a massive poster, the focus us hugely on SM3.

And sandman doesn't mean that much to people, then they see the trailer, then people go WOW. IT's how things have been going.

Again, a movie does not make 1 Billion Dollars without good word of mouth. Apparently Pirates found people who liked it...and there were quite a few.

As for clapping to a trailer...in my experience, and I'm not calling you a liar...but in my experience...most people here who claim that (and I have seen quite a few "Trailer reaction" threads in my 7 years on the Hype) are overexaggerating the reaction if not just straight out making it up. I go to movies nearly every weekend and never had an audience who applauded a trailer.

As for your friend who works in a cinema, does that suddenly make him a box-office expert? I don't generally talk to people who work in theaters about movies.

Finally, your cartoon statement is arguable. I can name about 5 cartoons off the top of my head from the early to mid-90s that were much more influential.

 

[Matt]

Oh yeah man it's like i'm checking my calendar to make sure it's not 2006t:

I don't think any of these movies will "own" each other in fact i see them all making less than their potential but until POTC3 gets it's trailer out there it's to soon to judge and IMO the mainstream only need a couple of months hype and promo to get interested,only fanboys want trailers and such 6 and 7 months ahead of release.

Hah, thats the truth...I remember people in the Oscar thread getting worked up because Gwynth Paltrow didn't mention Iron Man when she presented. I'm just like "WTF? Who plugs a movie while presenting at the Oscars, yet alone a movie that comes out in 2 years?"

 

[Cyrusbales]

Again, a movie does not make 1 Billion Dollars without good word of mouth. Apparently Pirates found people who liked it...and there were quite a few.

As for clapping to a trailer...in my experience, and I'm not calling you a liar...but in my experience...most people here who claim that (and I have seen quite a few "Trailer reaction" threads in my 7 years on the Hype) are overexaggerating the reaction if not just straight out making it up. I go to movies nearly every weekend and never had an audience who applauded a trailer.

As for your friend who works in a cinema, does that suddenly make him a box-office expert? I don't generally talk to people who work in theaters about movies.

Finally, your cartoon statement is arguable. I can name about 5 cartoons off the top of my head from the early to mid-90s that were much more influential.

Well they did clap, and I felt like it was odd, although people clapped at the end of lord of the rings in my cinema, so not sure what sorta feaks live here, lol.

My mate listens to what people say as they leave the cinema, and SM3 seems to be drawing a lot more hype and excitement. Just watch

 

[Hunter Rider]

Hah, thats the truth...I remember people in the Oscar thread getting worked up because Gwynth Paltrow didn't mention Iron Man when she presented. I'm just like "WTF? Who plugs a movie while presenting at the Oscars, yet alone a movie that comes out in 2 years?"

LOLt:

Honestly right now i am hoping something else wins just so the two sets won't have crowing rights

 

[Matt]

Well they did clap, and I felt like it was odd, although people clapped at the end of lord of the rings in my cinema, so not sure what sorta feaks live here, lol.

My mate listens to what people say as they leave the cinema, and SM3 seems to be drawing a lot more hype and excitement. Just watch

To be fair, there has been no trailer for AWE. So awareness likely hasnt peaked yet. Its going to be an interesting year to watch. I personally think the studios should've just dropped the tough guy act and moved one to July where either Spider-Man or Pirates would roll over Transformers. It is like, they both schedueled for May, expecting one to move...and neither did it and they sort of got caught up in this game of chicken that will hurt both of their profits.

 

[Cyrusbales]

To be fair, there has been no trailer for AWE. So awareness likely hasnt peaked yet. Its going to be an interesting year to watch. I personally think they should've just dropped the tough guy act and moved one to July where either Spider-Man or Pirates would roll over Transformers.

I agree with you about the moving thing, one of the biggest problems i have about mainstream cinema is that you get lots of good film in the winter, so you end up goign to the cinema like 5 times a week instead of 3, then later in the year there's like nothing decent

 

[Matt]

LOLt:

Honestly right now i am hoping something else wins just so the two sets won't have crowing rights

It would be funny to see the small budget Zach Braff movie or 28 Weeks Later whoop them all.

 

[Gonking]

Hah, thats the truth...I remember people in the Oscar thread getting worked up because Gwynth Paltrow didn't mention Iron Man when she presented. I'm just like "WTF? Who plugs a movie while presenting at the Oscars, yet alone a movie that comes out in 2 years?"

lol that only happens in the MTV Movie Awards. Maybe they were confused t:

 

[Dark Carnage]

I can't believe that people are even looking forward to POTC, seeing as DMC was such a let down.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I can't believe that people are even looking forward to POTC, seeing as DMC was such a let down.

I like you

 

[Electrix]

People arent talking about Pirates because as of now, there is nothing to talk about, apart from posters...but who talks about posters? Wait until the trailers, the tv spots, the magazine covers/interviews/articles come out and it will be Pirate Mania just like it was last year.

Whether people like Pirates or not, DMC made $1 billion worldwide and the chances are it will make similar numbers, as the sheer amount of people who saw it, will want to see AWE.

People will see Spiderman, a lot of people. But just because some fan boys cant wait to see Sandman doesnt mean average joe does aswell. The problem is that when you are excited for a film it seems twice as good and you think it will be the best move ever and make billions. The Superman fans thought that last year. Spiderman will do huge numbers but AWE will get more at the Box Office.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Well SM3's marketing is blowing POTC's out of the water (no pun intended)...if POTC3 has had any marketing at all.

 

[Erzengel]

I think it's foolish to discount any 3 of the May movies.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I can't believe that people are even looking forward to POTC, seeing as DMC was such a let down.

I can't believe anyone that liked the first Pirates of the first Spider Man could view DMC as a let down.

 

[Electrix]

Well SM3's marketing is blowing POTC's out of the water (no pun intended)...if POTC3 has had any marketing at all.

In a month it will be totally different.

Spiderman 3 is going for the long distance race, whereas Pirates 3 is going for the short sprint. There will be only one way to see which is most effective.

This is one of Pirates marketing strategies...

The trailer for "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" will make its worldwide debut during the "Dancing with the Stars" season premiere on March 19 and simultaneously on popular shows in 61 other countries.

It's big-screen/small-screen synergy, said Mark Zoradi, president of Walt Disney Motion Picture Group, which will release "Pirates" in the United States on May 25.

"Broadcasters were anxious to get the trailer because they knew it would be supportive of driving viewership to their particular shows," he said, adding that unveiling the trailer during popular programs will allow it to reach "in excess of 200 million people."