The Dark Knight Rises Batman 4?! Discuss!

[Norek]

We don't need a Batman IV, what we do need is a spin-off that addresses the relationship between the Falafel Vendor and Flass that has been left unresolved.

And damn, why not a spin-off with Falafel guy and Hat guy from TDKR with their own adventure? Something, you know... EPIC!

 

[KalMart]

No, no, no, no, no, no.... This is not right. I think Batman IV should take place BETWEEN TDK and TDKR, but not really connect to either of them. Have a change in tone as well, bring some unrealistic characters. Why not? Have a Bat-team of Nightwing, Robin and Batgirl, have a bunch of villains - one for every member of the Bat-team. Sounds good!

So...Batman 2.5?

 

[ScottJRamsey]

I know I'm in the minority, but I would like no more Batman films after Nolan. And I say that as a Batfan since age 4, and a fan of the comics, BTAS, Burton films, Nolan films, 60s show, etc. Nolan's films were the closest to definitive and even though "better" or "new approaches" COULD be made, I don't think they should.

But idk. Who knows what will happen, maybe I'll be singing a different song 3 or 4 years from now.

 

[Alchemy Arcade]

I know I'm in the minority, but I would like no more Batman films after Nolan. And I say that as a Batfan since age 4, and a fan of the comics, BTAS, Burton films, Nolan films, 60s show, etc. Nolan's films were the closest to definitive and even though "better" or "new approaches" COULD be made, I don't think they should.

But idk. Who knows what will happen, maybe I'll be singing a different song 3 or 4 years from now.

I'm sure there are plenty of other fans that feel the same, just like there were plenty of Star Wars fans who would've rather had no prequels made.
I know this is a polar opposite franchise, but I can kind of see where you're coming from.

We have some pretty definitive Batman flicks here and there's a fear that any attempt at rebooting him will sully the Nolan stuff.

But I believe WB knows what they're doing at this point and we no longer have to fear a Schumacher-like mistake again.

 

[AnneFan]

Batman is always of the times. He's been around since 1939 and no one is bigger than the characters. Everybody does their take and moves on. No matter how good it is, the Nolanverse is no different.

 

[Alchemy Arcade]

True.

But whatever the case may be with the reboot, I'm sure the Nolan era will be remembered as "the good old days".

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm sure when the reboot is in the works, Nolan will get crapped on just like Raimi is now.

 

[shauner111]

I doubt it. Raimis are more like Burtons. They were the first Spiderman movies, heavily flawed, campy at times and Tobey Maguire never screamed Peter Parker, but he did a great job nonetheless. Just like with Keaton.

They're never the holy grail of Spiderman/Batman, you can always do better than those movies.

Nolans will probably be looked at with such high regard after Rises comes out that a reboot (no matter how good) will get **** on. Even if the next trilogy has a great cast and director, original ideas it will most likely get a reaction somewhere in between Burtons and Nolans take. Which is a good reaction but that won't be immediate. It'll take a while to get there cuz people will still be buzzing about the trilogy. 2 or 3 years after the Dark Knight boxsets come out and make fanboys lose their minds? Not enough time to just be totally ready for a reboot.

Unlike Star Wars or LOTR you can't do a prequel to Begins and you can't really do a sequel to Rises unless it's a one-off Batman Beyond type deal..so this trilogy will be seen more like The Godfather trilogy more than anything else. A fourth CAN be made with a new Godfather/showing what's been going on in the family business, just like you can see what Bruce Wayne does for the rest of his life, or what villains come to Gotham 10 years down the road and if Bruce trains a young Batman or Robin to take care of em. You can do a 4th for both but you certainly don't have to. They're about the journeys of Michael Corleone and Bruce Wayne.

The kicker is when they decide in the next decade to bring back Joker and Two Face storylines when they've been close to perfect. It'll be like remaking those Godfather stories to a lot of ppl. Not exactly true but it's what most of us will feel.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You do know that there are many many Batfans that reside in the DC film boards and Batman film misc board that hate Nolan's films and Bale right? They are bidding their time and when the reboot officially starts they will migrate back in here to voice their displeasure and sing the new reboot's praises.

 

[Art Damage]

Yeah but look at the new set of Spider-Man films though, those have more in line with Nolan instead of Nolan's films being like Raimi's. Like shauner says, the Burton set of films are totally more like what Raimi did with Spider-Man. I agree 100% that most people might not want to give the next set of films a chance because of how highly regarded these Nolan films were.

Even if there are sets of people who hate on the Nolan films, it still confuses me to this day and it shows how more along the lines of appearance mind-set they are instead of what's inside. These ARE Batman stories and everyone still has characteristics that look like the comic book counterpart...but I guess if it doesn't scream Jim Lee out too much it's not good?

I don't want this world of Batman to end but I know it has to. I haved loved Batman since I was a kid but man, I really think the universe Nolan has created has been one of my favorite (if not THE favorite) of all my Bat-fandom.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's not about their respective tones matching up, it's about a section of the fandom not being a fan of Nolan's Batman just like Raimi's Spidey. This means they will jump on the reboot bandwagon and decrying the past incarnation just like Spidey fans have done.

 

[Rocketman]

A lot of people miss Raimi's trilogy.
If anything, this reboot isn't exactly welcomed.
Spider-Man 3 was a disaster, but people weren't ready to be done with that series just yet.

I reckon it's the same with Nolan. There won't be a backlash on his trilogy.
If anything, the Batman Reboot after TDKR has SO MUCH MORE to prove than The Amazing Spider-Man.

This Batman Reboot has bigger shoes to fill than Ledger having to take over Nicholson, or Hathaway taking over Pfeiffer. The sum of its parts are HUGE.

 

[KalMart]

Maybe the next Batman movies....will be more like Raimi's Spidermans....


Woo-hoo...!!

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

A lot of people miss Raimi's trilogy.
If anything, this reboot isn't exactly welcomed.
Spider-Man 3 was a disaster, but people weren't ready to be done with that series just yet.

I reckon it's the same with Nolan. There won't be a backlash on his trilogy.
If anything, the Batman Reboot after TDKR has SO MUCH MORE to prove than The Amazing Spider-Man.

This Batman Reboot has bigger shoes to fill than Ledger having to take over Nicholson, or Hathaway taking over Pfeiffer. The sum of its parts are HUGE.

You must be new to this site.

And fanboyism in general.

 

[Rocketman]

You must be new to this site.

And fanboyism in general.

No, I'm not.

Raimi's trilogy actually has substantial problems.
Most of the movies involved with this site warrant hate and backlash.

Fantastic Four
Daredevil
Ghost Rider
Elektra
Punisher
Superman
Hulk
X-Men
Green Lantern
Watchmen
Jonah Hex
Blade
Batman
Iron Man 2
So on, and so on

Most of the movies associated with this list just weren't good. In fact, most superhero films aren't good.

Nolan's Batman movies are the best superhero movies ever made, period. They just are.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Raimi's trilogy actually has substantial problems.

and many feel the same way about Nolan's films. Your opinion that they are flawless is just that, an opinion. Many won't agree.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I wish they hadn't rebooted Spider-Man. I think they could have pretty much just have made ASM a sequel with a new cast and a new, darker direction and it would have been fine. The only kinks they might have needed to work out were Peter already knowing Gwen and Curt Connors, but that could have probably been smoothed over.

You can tell that they're unsure of whether or not people will accept that it's a reboot because the more recent trailers make it look more like a sequel.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

No, I'm not.

Raimi's trilogy actually has substantial problems.
Most of the movies involved with this site warrant hate and backlash.

Fantastic Four
Daredevil
Ghost Rider
Elektra
Punisher
Superman
Hulk
X-Men
Green Lantern
Watchmen
Jonah Hex
Blade
Batman
Iron Man 2
So on, and so on

Most of the movies associated with this list just weren't good. In fact, most superhero films aren't good.

Nolan's Batman movies are the best superhero movies ever made, period. They just are.

Yes, and this is surely opinion and not fact like you think it is.

I love TDK, but you gotta be pretty oblivious to think everyone thinks that. Here are the facts, fanboys, including people on this site, tear apart and heavily criticize it like they have done with every superhero movie. It's not invincible to criticism and (sometimes irrational) fanboy hatred.

 

[Norek]

Anne Hathaway was cast as Black Cat Felicia Hardy as far as I remember. Well, we got Catwoman Selina Kyle instead.

I wasn't very excited for Spider-Man 4 before they decided to reboot the franchise to be honest...

 

[KalMart]

People will like certain things over others for their own personal reasons, and no one can convince them that they're wrong. That's the wonderful thing about having so much variety.

But these are the best films, though.

 

[xbs2034]

I think Bale's quote was smart, even while this film is clearly being designed as the last film in the series and WB seems to have begun work on the reboot, I don't see why he wouldn't state "never say never" on such on a huge franchise, given the small chance that things could change down the line.

And I don't think this quote means Bruce doesn't die, he could be trying to throw people off if that is the case (there are plenty of quotes where actors have been misleading about what happens to their characters), and there are still ways, albeit more questionable ones, to continue the series even if Bruce dies in DKR.

 

[BatLobster]

There will never be a superhero series universally accepted by all fans.

However, the Nolan series, and now Avengers seem to be ones that really have the majority on board. Also can claim the two highest RT scores for the genre.

Simple fact- these films are loved by many fans (and even more non-fans) and will be greatly missed.

 

[KalMart]

I think Bale's quote was smart, even while this film is clearly being designed as the last film in the series and WB seems to have begun work on the reboot, I don't see why he wouldn't state "never say never" on such on a huge franchise, given the small chance that things could change down the line.

And I don't think this quote means Bruce doesn't die, he could be trying to throw people off if that is the case (there are plenty of quotes where actors have been misleading about what happens to their characters), and there are still ways, albeit more questionable ones, to continue the series even if Bruce dies in DKR.

His quote was more likely about Nolan than it was about the Batman franchise.

 

[Raiden]

A lot of people miss Raimi's trilogy.
If anything, this reboot isn't exactly welcomed.
Spider-Man 3 was a disaster, but people weren't ready to be done with that series just yet.

I reckon it's the same with Nolan. There won't be a backlash on his trilogy.
If anything, the Batman Reboot after TDKR has SO MUCH MORE to prove than The Amazing Spider-Man.

This Batman Reboot has bigger shoes to fill than Ledger having to take over Nicholson, or Hathaway taking over Pfeiffer. The sum of its parts are HUGE.

I think whoever takes over for Nolan in the reboot or even a sequel to TDKR will have his cards stacked against him. Beloved movies don't usually have a great follow-up, such as Burton's Batman and Donner's Superman movies. Judging from WB's track record for superhero movies besides Nolan's Batman, one can see that they don't usually make the best decisions, so I think chances are slim they will be able to do better post-TDKR.

 

[Alchemy Arcade]

I think whoever takes over for Nolan in the reboot or even a sequel to TDKR will have his cards stacked against him. Beloved movies don't usually have a great follow-up, such as Burton's Batman and Donner's Superman movies. Judging from WB's track record for superhero movies besides Nolan's Batman, one can see that they don't usually make the best decisions, so I think chances are slim they will be able to do better post-TDKR.

While I agree with every bit of this, I have high hopes that WB has learned from their post-Burton, post-Donner mistakes.