The Dark Knight Rises Batman 4?! Discuss!

[shauner111]

They're gonna need to bring Robin into the next series, but i dont think it's a good idea to have him involved in the very first movie of the reboot. Dick Grayson as a character should be brought into one of the sequels, with him becoming "Robin", suit and all in a film right after that. They shouldn't rush it. Make the audience gradually get used to the character and make them think they can get behind him and take him seriously even before he's that "sidekick" Robin. Shouldn't be too old OR too young. You don't want him looking like when Peter Parker first became Spider-Man, and he's not quite Nightwing yet. You want it to be somewhere in the middle. The sole focus of the first movie or two should be about selling the new Bruce Wayne and that he can be believable on his own fighting crime.

My dream for the reboot is if they'd create a new trilogy all done with villains Chris never touched in his movies. ZERO REPEATS from the rogues Nolan chose. Then they can bring back the Joker with Harley Quinn if they want. So by the time u get back to him...it's fresh again. No Lucius Fox, no original characters for Bruce's love interests, no League of Shadows or Ra's/Talia/Bane. No Joker. No Harvey Dent. No Selina Kyle. No Crane. No Zsasz. Falcone, Maroni or the more "normal" mobsters...

I mean characters like Grayson, Sarah Essen, Harvey Bullock, Vikki Vale or Julie Madison can all fit throughout the course of 3 movies plus 3 or 4 villains. Anyone from Nygma to the "freak" crimelords such as Sionis & Cobblepot. And then Freeze.

I think Robert Downey would make an excellent Joker when his Marvel contract is up.

LOL good lord no.

Trying to out epic this movie will be very difficult. I think the way to go after Rises is smaller, more detective based plotting.

For sure. WB are REALLY going to push for Riddler in the next one. And the smaller, more detective based plot will work perfectly. No origin story, get right into it with a young developed Batman. We all know they're gonna add more fantasy, not only to seperate it from Nolans at least a bit, but to match up with Justice League. The next Batman will be JLA's Batman. So i do think it would be quite stupid and too much of a rush on their part to get to another Joker before they tackle a villain like the Penguin (or even Mr Freeze). Mr Freeze probably wont come before Joker/Two-Face/Catwoman again, and i get that because they're probably afraid to have that character headline a movie. But i think it would be great..

Mr Freeze is a very cool character, he's not the most realistic, and they would need a winter setting (and that won't happen for a few movies after Rises). But it can be done with a serious tone, darker, and with a good actor not a goof hollywood action hero who's only known to make people laugh and his muscles. If Bryan Cranston isn't Gordon im gonna lose it, but he would be a great Mr Freeze as a lot of people have suggested. Obviously another actor (but of his caliber) would be enough to put Freeze up there with all the great Bat villains.

 

[TheAQU4M4N]

I know I've mentioned before but they should completely go for a route ala the Arkham games, kind of balances a Nolan tone with more fantastical elements and could bring it members of the rogue gallery like Mr. Freeze or even a Man-Bat...

I've always thought that the Arkham universe is definitely a cross between Nolan's and Burton's and that would be perfect for a next movie.

 

[JackWhite]

I still find it funny how some people really want Man-Bat in a movie. No offense, it's just out of all the villains I'd love to see done justice(Riddler, Penguin, Freeze) and introduced for the first time(Black Mask, Dead Shot, Mad Hatter) the last villain I'd think would be on peoples list would be Man-Bat.

But hey, it actually could turn out cool if done right.

 

[shauner111]

Oh totally. If done in a "horror movie" kind of way. I'll take Man-Bat over Killer Croc or Clayface because of the Lizard & Sandman similarities.

I'm not interested in Mad Hatter honestly. Ventriloquist is another i dont care for but all of the above could be done in a horror style that could be really creepy with the right makeup/effects/design.

Deadshot is pretty realistic but im anticipating Black Masks debut. Of course i want to see Penguin/Freeze taken seriously. Dammnnnnnnn imagine a Arkham City-Burton meets Nolan flick with either of them?

 

[JackWhite]

Oh totally. If done in a "horror movie" kind of way. I'll take Man-Bat over Killer Croc or Clayface because of the Lizard & Sandman similarities.

I'm not interested in Mad Hatter honestly. Ventriloquist is another i dont care for but all of the above could be done in a horror style that could be really creepy with the right makeup/effects/design.

Deadshot is pretty realistic but im anticipating Black Masks debut. Of course i want to see Penguin/Freeze taken seriously. Dammnnnnnnn imagine a Arkham City-Burton meets Nolan flick with either of them?

Never thought I'd say this post-Batman and Robin, but I'd love a serious and appropriate treatment of Freeze on film.

 

[Gianakin_]

Nothing wrong with that. Freeze is a fantastic villain. Now, if you had said "I'd love a fun and light-hearted treatment and Freeze on film" after B&R...

 

[JackWhite]

Nothing wrong with that. Freeze is a fantastic villain. Now, if you had said "I'd love a fun and light-hearted treatment and Freeze on film" after B&R...

You'd have to send me to the cooler if I had said something like that.

t:

 

[Gianakin_]

I'm not sending YOU to da coolah!

 

[JackWhite]

Good, I knew you wouldn't be so cold hearted.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

I think Robert Downey would make an excellent Joker when his Marvel contract is up.

As strange as this may sound, I think if RDJ hadn't IMO played such a defining version of Iron Man,he'd have made a fascinating Riddler..

 

[shauner111]

Yeah, that could have actually been interesting. But now it'll never happen. I'm still leaning towards Joaquin Phoenix.

To get back to Freeze. He would be an AWESOME friggin villain if treated seriously. They could do a lot of great things with that character down the road.

I never had the desire to think of what the more fantastical villains would be like with Nolans vision, because i just never cared for most of them. But Freeze and Penguin, ive always wondered. Even Riddler. I do think when we get those 3 villains next, that the approach will be close to what Nolan would have done with them.

 

[Mr.?]

For the reboot, having Batman already established and seasoned is best to go (as others have said). But I also think that Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing should be the arc over the course of three films. First film would be Bruce meeting Dick and showing the father/son bond between them, Bruce training Dick, Dick becomes Robin at the end and saves Batman. Second film Robin as Batman's unwanted partner. Third film Dick leaves the team and becomes Nightwing.

I think that would be a cool trilogy, even though I know alot of people don't like Robin. I hated Robin too at first but he's too important to leave out of these movies and I think it would be cool to see Batman/Bruce in a "Father trying to protect his son" type of role.

 

[taigawithapen]

As happy as I am that Bane is finally getting some legitimate screen time, I really wish there could have been a version of Hush or Firefly or some lesser known villain. Seeing Scarecrow in BB imo was so cool because I knew who he was but the GA didnt.

 

[Victarion]

I would introduce Bruce Wayne in a Matches Malone sequence. We learn that Matches has infiltrated one of Gotham's crime families. Take your pic--I am not familiar with them aside from Maroni/Falcone. Its implied that he's been running with them long enough to gather intel on who's keystone to the particular family. Later, in the Batcave, we see numerous prosthetics used to give Bruce varying facial features and fake fingerprints. Files around the computer would indicate that he's been gathering info for a while.

The Batsuit would be more monstrous, looking like the Beyond batsuit to give the appearance of a bat-creature. The cape would be more like a glider that could be used as protection against gunfire. His batarangs would burst on impact, releasing small doses of fear gas to give the Batman's enemies the impression of a hellish bat-demon, rather than a man in a costume.

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Dark Victory is your template for introducing Robin. Him tracking down Zucco and killing him was excellent, and his regret at the deed was good too. Start there and build with how it affects Dick Grayson. He might not don the Robin costume at this point. Perhaps that could come in the movie following the one where he kills Zucco.

Afterward perhaps he gets swept into a street gang led by one of Batman's rogues, where he is given practice at street fighting. He works his way up in the gang. Batman has to save the boy and do his best to keep him from becoming a merciless killing machine.

Dick would see his role in the gang as a means of catharsis that Bruce denied him. Afterward, Batman sees no other way to help Dick outside of training him. There's your Robin.

 

[Mr.?]

Dark Victory is your template for introducing Robin. Him tracking down Zucco and killing him was excellent, and his regret at the deed was good too. Start there and build with how it affects Dick Grayson. He might not don the Robin costume at this point. Perhaps that could come in the movie following the one where he kills Zucco.

Afterward perhaps he gets swept into a street gang led by one of Batman's rogues, where he is given practice at street fighting. He works his way up in the gang. Batman has to save the boy and do his best to keep him from becoming a merciless killing machine.

Dick would see his role in the gang as a means of catharsis that Bruce denied him. Afterward, Batman sees no other way to help Dick outside of training him. There's your Robin.

I like this idea. I think Robin should appear at the very end of the movie if they bring him in. Have him crash through a skylight Batman 89 style to come to Batman's rescue

 

[shauner111]

Yeah good idea. The whole thing with Zucco would be great. And the training.

For casting, regarding Harvey Bullock..i would cast Michael Madsen. Cranston for Gordon will always be a no brainer, and just awesome. Malcolm McDowell for Alfred is a wish of mine. Haven't seen too many people choose him but i think it would be a great follow-up to Caine. Joaquin Phoenix for Riddler as i will continue to say for months. Why not bring Sarah Essen into it as well? A little something different for Gordon to do in the next series. If ya know what i mean. Giggidy.

 

[taigawithapen]

Ive never really been a fan of Robin because Ive typically thought of him as campy. I understand that Batman needs Robin in order to remind him not to take to big or risky chances when chasing villains but I always thought he was really out of place until I read Frank Millers All Star Batman and Robin. If Robin were to be introduced into the film series, I think the story arc should heavily borrow from ASBR.

The contrast between what Batman says to himself and says to Dick when he is driving him to the cave are awesome. Also, seeing Dick have to survive on his own in the cave was another thing that proved to me that Robin could be a complete bad ass. I think even the whole 'Batman kidnapping Dick Grayson' could add an interesting angle to how the city perceives the caped crusader.

 

[Alchemy Arcade]

Yeah, a Robin origin is long overdue and his progression into Nightwing by a third film would be a great evolution of character to see over the years.

I also think a non-campy take on developing the Bat-Family would be interesting to see too. For example, throw a little bit of Barbara Gordon's progression into Batgirl in the first film, paralyze her in the 3rd act of the second film and have her as Oracle by the third film. And by the end Batman is left alone again (well aside from having Oracle in his ear).

 

[Victarion]

Hey guys, here's some quick write ups I did on a few members of the rogues gallery for a new Batman film universe. It would occur in the same universe as my Robin origin I posted earlier.

The Ventriloquist—an agent for Falcone who saw the ascent of the Batman as a threat to Falcone and decided to take the appropriate action. He contacted a reclusive drug dealer in Old Gotham known as Grundy. Grundy got him a shipment from Poison Ivy. The drugs allowed the Ventriloquist to create puppets from the corpses of victims killed by order of Carmine Falcone. The price of Ivy’s drugs includes tracking down the “Red Hood” who stole drugs from her compound.

Poison Ivy-the leader of a South American drug cartel known for creating experimental batches of drugs. Her base of operations is heavily guarded by the surrounding villages, which are full of addicts and test subjects. After a red-cloaked man managed to infiltrate her compound, Ivy turned her research towards biological modification in an attempt to track down the thief.

The Red Hood-a mysterious individual who manages to navigate the dangerous lands around Poison Ivy’s compound, and succeed in acquiring some of her experimental drugs. He leaves behind a piece of evidence indicating that his ultimate destination is Gotham City.

The Riddler—a man obsessed with engineering a society based on intellectual capacity. He left the GPD after the Underworld’s corruption began to spread within the members of the GPD. He took a large number of files with him, and has since been building up a database of information on Gotham’s prominent citizens.

 

[Art Damage]

Man, Ventriloquist. Paul Giamatti for that role please!!

 

[TanneRain]

It would be really awesome to see a villain like Mr. Freeze, The Penguin, or the Riddler given some screentime in a serious movie. Riddler and Penguin were alright in their original screen portrayals but Devito was too Burton-y for me and The Riddler was too campy.

 

[Art Damage]

I agree, Jim Carrey was way too "rubberface Carey" for that role. I liked it when I was younger, but boy...it's hard to watch now.

 

[TanneRain]

Yea, and what is up with Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face almost being Joker-esque. He laughs all the time, gets way too excited, and is just not very Two-Face like.

 

[joker1524]

i want daniel day lewis as the joker

 

[shauner111]

Hey guys, here's some quick write ups I did on a few members of the rogues gallery for a new Batman film universe. It would occur in the same universe as my Robin origin I posted earlier.

The Ventriloquist—an agent for Falcone who saw the ascent of the Batman as a threat to Falcone and decided to take the appropriate action. He contacted a reclusive drug dealer in Old Gotham known as Grundy. Grundy got him a shipment from Poison Ivy. The drugs allowed the Ventriloquist to create puppets from the corpses of victims killed by order of Carmine Falcone. The price of Ivy’s drugs includes tracking down the “Red Hood” who stole drugs from her compound.

Poison Ivy-the leader of a South American drug cartel known for creating experimental batches of drugs. Her base of operations is heavily guarded by the surrounding villages, which are full of addicts and test subjects. After a red-cloaked man managed to infiltrate her compound, Ivy turned her research towards biological modification in an attempt to track down the thief.

The Red Hood-a mysterious individual who manages to navigate the dangerous lands around Poison Ivy’s compound, and succeed in acquiring some of her experimental drugs. He leaves behind a piece of evidence indicating that his ultimate destination is Gotham City.

The Riddler—a man obsessed with engineering a society based on intellectual capacity. He left the GPD after the Underworld’s corruption began to spread within the members of the GPD. He took a large number of files with him, and has since been building up a database of information on Gotham’s prominent citizens.

Cool man! You should write this **** out. Good graphic novel material if anything.