The Dark Knight Rises Batman 4?! Discuss!

[shauner111]

Tommy Lee Jones and his two-face always felt like a Nicholson-Joker impression to me. I don't understand the writers for that movie/character. But Carrey i can still enjoy and laugh at every once in a while. The only things i liked from Forever when i was young were the hilarious Riddler scenes, and some scenes of Grayson and Bruce. Pre-suited up Robin.

EDIT: oops double post

 

[shauner111]

Tommy Lee Jones and his two-face always felt like a Nicholson-Joker impression to me. I don't understand the writers for that movie/character. But Carrey i can still enjoy and laugh at every once in a while. The only things i liked from Forever when i was young were the hilarious Riddler scenes, and some scenes of Grayson and Bruce. Pre-suited up Robin.

Kinda like Batman/Robin. The Mr Freeze stuff always makes me laugh. If you treat the Shumacher movies as comedies, you'll enjoy them.

i want daniel day lewis as the joker

Man, if they were doing a Dark Knight Returns in the next few years (or should i say..if Rises wasn't happening the way it is) then DDL would be the perfect Joker. Hamm for either Batman or Two-Face would of worked too.

 

[Art Damage]

Emma Thomas also comments on the idea of a fourth Christopher Nolan Batman film...

Talking to SFX, The Dark Knight Rises producer (and wife of Christopher Nolan) Emma Thomas has made it very clear - as has Nolan and several other people linked with the trilogy - that there will not be a fourth installment in his Batman franchise. "No. Never," she reportedly told the site. "No, that's truly a never. I can't imagine a world in which he would ever want to come back. At a certain point it's fun to go off and do something different, you know," she said, elaborating on Nolan's decision to make this July's third movie his last. "We've spent almost ten years of our lives making Batman films. He was very excited about this film, and the story that he'd come up with, but I just cannot imagine that he would get that excited about another version of the same thing."

The Dark Knight is the second highest grossing comic book movie of all-time, while The Dark Knight Rises will more than likely have no trouble beating that record. Regardless, Thomas made it quite clear why exactly Nolan isn't at all interesting in a fourth movie. "The great thing about a trilogy is that it feels like you've got a beginning, a middle and an end. It's like an extended version of a regular film. Once you get into a fourth film then it's just episodic, and I just can't see him getting excited about making another film where basically you're just wheeling in different villains."

 

[Two-Face]

I can't see Nolan returning as he said this is last Batman film but if he has ideas in his head then he could fourth.

 

[AnneFan]

I think he can help out with the reboot direction. But in terms of Chris directing a Batman film, those days look to be over. People say he could come back in 20 years and do a TDK Returns style film, but it does seem like he's using a lot of those themes right here, right now.

 

[Art Damage]

Yeah the next Batman will obviously have a different direction all together. My mind loves to imagine more adventures with Bale's Batman and that's why part of me has been semi-against the idea of this being such an "ending" to the story. I would love the idea of the story playing out in my mind and such but I know that all great things have to end eventually. haha.

I can only imagine how the "Nolan directing fourth Batman" rumors might spread out even moreso after TDKR comes out.

 

[coderaven24]

There will be a 4th, why would you risk another B&R or GL if your WB.
You ride your gravy train until the audience isn't eating it anymore.

WB will just have Nolan Produce and we will see some cast changes, but not a lot.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

There will be a 4th, why would you risk another B&R or GL if your WB.
You ride your gravy train until the audience isn't eating it anymore.

WB will just have Nolan Produce and we will see some cast changes, but not a lot.

Nolan had almost complete creative control over The Dark Knight Rises, if Nolan thought he would just be replaced after and his vision would be passed on, he'd find a why to end the series (which is what I'm betting he does). And why would WB risk messing up potentially the best trilogy of all time? A reboot will bring in a ton of money and people won't wonder why they didn't just start over. After The Dark Knight and Inception, Nolan basically has a blank check; I'm sure WB would end the series and start over if Nolan thought it was time.

 

[Nevincer]

There will be a 4th, why would you risk another B&R or GL if your WB.
You ride your gravy train until the audience isn't eating it anymore.

WB will just have Nolan Produce and we will see some cast changes, but not a lot.

 

[shauner111]

There will be a 4th, why would you risk another B&R or GL if your WB.
You ride your gravy train until the audience isn't eating it anymore.

WB will just have Nolan Produce and we will see some cast changes, but not a lot.

Seriously, do some of you guys just come on here after being oblivious for the last 2 years or something and just make comments??

There will be more Batman movies, yes, ones that Nolan will have a hand in producing. But there will not be a "4th" or a "sequel" to TDKR. Jesus...

This is the end. Every cast member will change, not "some", ALL. It's a reboot. Probably not an origin story, but still a different continuity. People shouldn't have to even write this over and over.

 

[scifiwolf]

Didn't Nolan write this movie specifically with no out for people to continue on in the Nolanverse? Seems he did it in in part to kill all the doing-a-fourth-movie talk.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Didn't Nolan write this movie specifically with no out for people to continue on in the Nolanverse? Seems he did it in in part to kill all the doing-a-fourth-movie talk.

Yes, and hope for everyones sake it's air-tight. Don't want any of that "But he wasn't really dead" or "Now it's Nightwing" crap. Not that I'm opposed to a Nightwing movie, just one in the Nolanverse

 

[returntovoid]

A different directors vision, short flashback of parents death and training montage is enough. There's no need for the film to be rebooted origin story or even follow the Nolan films.

 

[Art Damage]

Exactly...plus, there's a good chance in the rebooted Batman we'll probably see the Riddler. When we've seen the reboots for Batman and Spider-Man the villian that was supposed to appear in the film following the previous series was included in the new take. Scarecrow for Batman Begins and The Lizard for The Amazing Spider-Man, now I know Sam Raimi wanted a bunch of other villians listed too but I remember hearing how much the studio was pushing for Lizard. With all of this talk of WB wanted Leo as Riddler for the sequel to TDK, I have a pretty big feeling we'll see Edward Nigma in the reboot.

You can certainly have a new take on Batman including The Riddler without having to handfist the origin yet again.

 

[shauner111]

A different directors vision, short flashback of parents death and training montage is enough. There's no need for the film to be rebooted origin story or even follow the Nolan films.

Correctamundo. Well put.

 

[shauner111]

It is looking like the Riddler will be the villain, yeah. All the points you made Art Damage sound right. Good way of looking at it. Not only will be it be a huge hit in the marketing department, but for what the story calls for, and the scope of things? It's perfect.

After TDKR they need to show something different. Lessening the scope of things, even down to the shooting locations and less Imax. Something that takes place ONLY in Gotham City.

A small detective story for Bats. In the spring or summertime. I think a 1 on 1 Batman vs Riddler movie would be the right direction. You center it around those 2 while giving another tremendous cast of big names for Gordon, Alfred, Fox. And a good amount of cops. Essen, Bullock, Montoya maybe Crispus Allen.

 

[ALP]

It is looking like the Riddler will be the villain, yeah. All the points you made Art Damage sound right. Good way of looking at it. Not only will be it be a huge hit in the marketing department, but for what the story calls for, and the scope of things? It's perfect.

After TDKR they need to show something different. Lessening the scope of things, even down to the shooting locations and less Imax. Something that takes place ONLY in Gotham City.

A small detective story for Bats. In the spring or summertime. I think a 1 on 1 Batman vs Riddler movie would be the right direction. You center it around those 2 while giving another tremendous cast of big names for Gordon, Alfred, Fox. And a good amount of cops. Essen, Bullock, Montoya maybe Crispus Allen.

That doesn't really sound like a great way to maximize profits... y'know, WB's purpose for creating films, and certainly their only on-going billion dollar property.

 

[returntovoid]

Total Film's 15 Ways To Reboot Batman After The Dark Knight Rises.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/1...-after-the-dark-knight-rises/ditch-the-origin

I disagree with the part of forcing realism. I mean, it should not be campy but the depiction of reality should vary with each talent.

 

[BecomeALegend]

PT Anderson

 

[Two-Face]

Total Film's15 Ways To Reboot Batman After The Dark Knight Rises.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/1...-after-the-dark-knight-rises/ditch-the-origin

I disagree with the part of forcing realism. I mean, it should not be campy but the depiction of reality should vary with each talent.

Didn't read all of it but why use the realism for next films? since fans will say so and so is copying Nolan. I want the next director to film his vision of Batman.

 

[Dr Zaius]

I think the re-boot should be similar to what marvel is doing with their characters, don't turn Batman into a humorous figure (which marvel seems to do; avengers almost felt like a comedy), but present Batman as a comic book character which he is, if the Marvel films have done anything, it's this, they havent taken their characters and totally crammed them into reality they modernized them but let them exist as they are in the source material for the most part.

As far as casting goes, I think Bryan Cranston would make the perfect commissioner Gordon perhaps even better than Oldman. If you've seen Batman Year One, Cranston does Gordon's voice, and I thought he was perfect, not to mention in Breaking Bad he really displays that Gordon look at some points in the series:

I really don't know who to even consider for Bruce and Alfred among other main characters, I feel like Bale and Caine had such good chemistry together, I don't know how the relationship on screen between those two can be topped.

 

[returntovoid]

Didn't read all of it but why use the realism for next films? since fans will say so and so is copying Nolan. I want the next director to film his vision of Batman.

Precisely. I've noticed many suggesting that another actor should replicate Heath's approach to The Joker with casting suggestions such as Depp playing The Riddler or The Joker etc.

 

[Sentinel X]

I hope WB lays off the Batman franchise for a while and tries some new DC characters. Instead they should put in the effort to hire TALENTED people just like they did for this Batman series. There are so many characters that can be interesting to see: The Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, etc.

I'm just tired of seeing the SAME heroes getting their stories retold (The Spider-man reboot was so unnecessary this early.)
It sucks that Batman is clearly DC's magnum opus but still...their are plenty of characters that can make a good film

 

[socool]

I hope WB lays off the Batman franchise for a while and tries some new DC characters. Instead they should put in the effort to hire TALENTED people just like they did for this Batman series. There are so many characters that can be interesting to see: The Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, The Flash, Wonder Woman, etc.

It sucks that Batman is clearly DC's magnum opus but still...their are plenty of characters that can make a good film

Agreed. I feel like DC/WB should focus on making great feature films for other DC heroes and making comics, novels, animated movies, etc dedicated to the events that happened between TDK and TDKR so they can still cash-in on the Nolan franchise to help them through making the movies for the other characters.

 

[Greens]

I hope they hold off a new Joker interpretation for a while.