Batman: Arkham Origins - Part 7

[Drz]

Bane was skinny in Asylum because his blood was being constantly consumed and whatnot.

 

[Savage]

I guess I just assumed in Origins that he was already a naturally big guy (well without enhancements anyway). I guess I can see the venom working as some kind of super soldier formula that makes skinny guys bigger Captain America style. Just trying to bridge the gap between the two games here. Killer Croc I already know mutates over time.

There's a lot of presumed history in this game that I'm working out (like the aforementioned breaking of Batman's back that is referenced in this game).

 

[zenith16]

That thing is nothing like the super soldier serum captain America and the variant USA agent have in them and few others have in the MU. The only one that has had some thing that was done to him in the DCU was Death stroke.

Venom is a drug with addictive effects and the fact he has pump himself over and over with it when he's in a fight and really wants to win with over whelming power and domination shows this. It's kinda like how pshyco was acting in Crysis 3 over the crysis suit to a degree and profit was saying "what the hell's wrong with you." this is how bane partially act with venom beside the addition. and it's part of his addiction too.

If any thing captain America's situation is more like what happened to Barry Alans as the flash, only in a more controlled experiment and the fact both chemicals and a some form of energy were used . Cap's having a vita Ray projector provide the energy in the mix of him being in that tank where he had the serum put into him and Barry's just being out side but having Accelerator energy in the mix with his chemicals . unlike bane and possibly Death stroke it wasn't injected into him.

Ok this what was put up of Batman AO


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Source: IGN

 

[badgrammar]

This is true. Man, I hope Origins gets sequels because it's raising more questions just by existing. If Bane broke Batman's back it'll have to be a situation completely different from the comic book story. I'm playing Asylum again and I don't think these guys even played this. Just regarding Bane alone I'm wondering why he's so skinny once the venom (we know it's TN-1 now) is sucked out of him. Was the venom the only reason he was so tall and muscular in Origins? I love Origins but I'm not even that far into Asylum yet and I'm already asking questions.

The easiest one to answer is the lack of gadgets, though. You start asylum with a baterang and a grappling hook. That is it. Everything else you get from the Batcave underneath the Asylum so those gadgets are probably all pretty dated anyway.

Now it's just the character related stuff that is going to drive me nuts.

I believe Bane was his natural height in origins. I believe his body shrank over time when he was being medically cared for in Arkham Asylum hospital.

I also believe that Bane never escaped after Origins. Bane is too dangerous to have multiple encounters with, well at least the non-brain damaged bane is

 

[Savage]

I can see that being the case. Just seeing Bane as that tiny guy again was jarring (and a little tragic). Batman's reaction to seeing him like this is completely understandable now after Origins.

I don't think that Bane never left Arkham, though. The backbreaking in ident had to happen at some point. Was Origins the first time Batman met Bane? It could have taken place before Origins, I guess.

 

[zenith16]

I can see that being the case. Just seeing Bane as that tiny guy again was jarring (and a little tragic). Batman's reaction to seeing him like this is completely understandable now after Origins.

I don't think that Bane never left Arkham, though. The backbreaking in ident had to happen at some point. Was Origins the first time Batman met Bane? It could have taken place before Origins, I guess.

In the Arkham verse origins it's their first encounter but he knew of him. it's death stroke they alluded to a history with some how or so it seemed. and Shiva now if you've played in the Dlc and what was hinted at with your encounter with her befor that

 

[KevanG]

So now that everything seems to be patched up, compared to the other games how is it?

 

[Savage]

I believe that this story is the strongest in the series. The game is essentially Arkham City story DLC (there is THAT little difference) so the new story is really all that there is to focus on. The variety of side-missions is nice and everyone is less of a push-over this time, which is a much welcome change. The REAL improvement of this game (besides the story) is in the construction of the boss battles. A lot more variety, a lot more engaging and some are downright difficult. WB Montreal may have just been dealing with what Rocksteady left them but they made sure to improve upon any faults in the Arkham series before (lack of innovation be damned). This is essentially a fine tuned Arkham City.

Also the voice acting is terrific. I did not expect to like the new guy as Batman but I might like him even more than Conroy. Troy Baker as The Joker comes close. So if you don't go into this game expecting a totally new experience you're good. Like I said, this is just another fun tale in Batman's overall story.

 

[Compi716]

I believe that this story is the strongest in the series. The game is essentially Arkham City story DLC (there is THAT little difference) so the new story is really all that there is to focus on. The variety of side-missions is nice and everyone is less of a push-over this time, which is a much welcome change. The REAL improvement of this game (besides the story) is in the construction of the boss battles. A lot more variety, a lot more engaging and some are downright difficult. WB Montreal may have just been dealing with what Rocksteady left them but they made sure to improve upon any faults in the Arkham series before (lack of innovation be damned). This is essentially a fine tuned Arkham City.

Also the voice acting is terrific. I did not expect to like the new guy as Batman but I might like him even more than Conroy. Troy Baker as The Joker comes close. So if you don't go into this game expecting a totally new experience you're good. Like I said, this is just another fun tale in Batman's overall story.

The story is incredible. Another improvement this Origins has over its predecessors are the cutscenes. I mean...WOW.

 

[Shikamaru]

So now that everything seems to be patched up, compared to the other games how is it?

Well, one of the things that I was initially surprised by was how well it held up to the first two games. The game is a solid entry in the franchise and is definitely worthy of the Arkham title.

There are a few things I think this game improved on over its predecessors:

1) Story - I'm one of the few people who loves both AA's and AC's stories, but this is easily the most well done story of the three. The characters get actual development this time, something only Batman, Joker, and Catwoman (a bit) got previously. Certain characters and character dynamics are also much better portrayed and/or better expanded on in the story. Alfred and Gordon are a lot more explored, as is Batman's relationship with them. Bane is ****ing amazing! Easily the best take on Bane so far outside the comics and 1000x times better than Rocksteady's Bane. Deadshot was also a bit cooler here.

2) Boss Battles - Though the Scarecrow and Mr. Freeze boss battles are probably still the best ones, the average boss fight in AO is much better than the average boss fight in AA/AC. All the hype over them delivered.

3) Combat - Maybe this is just me being better at these games, but I felt they took the combat from AC and polished it. I knew what I was doing this time a lot more than before and was much better at doing combos.


However, I thought this game was the weakest of the three overall. I thought it lacked a lot of the magic and charm of the first two, for multiple reasons:

1) Lack of ATD (attention to detail) - Whether exploring the claustrophobic asylum or the sealed-off section of Gotham, the ATD is what made those games what they were. The ATD made the whole environment interesting to explore and both locations felt very real. However, almost everything feels dead and lifeless in Origins just like the environments in many other superhero games. The map is much bigger, but it is also far less interesting, far less thrilling, and with much less to explore. The level of ATD of the previous two games is gone, especially in New Gotham. Rocksteady stuck to the "less is more" philosophy; WB Montreal went the artificial "bigger and badder" route instead.

2) Redundancy - As the critics have said, the game is too "same old-same old". It retreads a lot of the same ground and doesn't even execute it as well in certain cases. The Copperhead/Mad Hatter sequences are just like the Scarecrow sequences only to not achieve the same effect. The Cyrus Pinkney mission is like the Amadeus Arkham mission, but in an environment too lifeless for you to feel the same chills. The Riddler is still here minus the fun puzzle solving that comes with the Riddler. "Old Gotham" is once again full of criminals on a cold dark night only not as interesting as before (for already stated reasons).

3) Lack of variety & balance - Origins focuses too much on the aspects they improved upon that it sometimes forgets about all other aspects. For example, they polished the combat but there is less stealth in the game. Another example (though this is perhaps going back to the lack of ATD) is too many places on the map looking too similar and not distinct enough. The previous games had more variety + better balance between these things IMO.


Regardless of such faults, I think the game is still a great experience and great addition to the franchise, even if not on par as a whole. It's not a huge step down, which is why I said it can still be considered "Arkham worthy".

 

[jacobed]

Initiation Bruce is easily my favorite skin of the entire series. He's making a run for Robin's money for my favorite character

 

[bes628]

Man, just finished the main story and Everytime something involves the joker the logistics of his operation drives me nuts. Dude is honestly the luckiest sob to ever exist .

 

[Savage]

Also after collecting all of Harley's tapes, you don't even have to listen to them to know that they contradict Harley's first meeting with Joker in origins. They're dated March 3rd through April 1st...**** it. Retcon!

This is the only explicit contradiction that I've noticed so considering this is a video game based on a comic book I guess that's getting off easy.

 

[zenith16]

Also after collecting all of Harley's tapes, you don't even have to listen to them to know that they contradict Harley's first meeting with Joker in origins. They're dated March 3rd through April 1st...**** it. Retcon!

This is the only explicit contradiction that I've noticed so considering this is a video game based on a comic book I guess that's getting off easy.

the sad thing is alot of new up and coming writers of late always say how they hate "continuity" and the real issue to why they say that is they can't be bothered with what the person before them did and they don't want to look back at all cause they're more worried about making name for them selves .
It's that he's/she's one of those that doesn't care for any thing

that happened til he/she came on the scene to write the issue, you saw with comic's . And now it's been spreading to down Tv in a lot of shows I've seen as I 've said once on the past and now games too.



It's a shame that happens, more so that there are certain editors and now heads of tv shows and now game directors allow that stuff to make it to the press's or on screen or market(games) . .
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[jacobed]

Eric Holmes had a picture of Injustice Batman on his Twitter

 

[Shikamaru]

Also after collecting all of Harley's tapes, you don't even have to listen to them to know that they contradict Harley's first meeting with Joker in origins. They're dated March 3rd through April 1st...**** it. Retcon!

This is the only explicit contradiction that I've noticed so considering this is a video game based on a comic book I guess that's getting off easy.

It isn't just Harley. There are other continuity errors as well, such as the 5-year thing and the more advanced Batman (I can kinda buy things like the glue grenade and grapnel booster, but why the hell did he go around with a huge-ass electric gun in AC if he has gloves that wouldn't weigh him down at all?).

However, the big problem is not the continuity issues but the continuity issues combined with all the prequelitis. This is the same problem X-Men: First Class had. It stays true to Rocksteady's continuity in some places and ignores it in other. Basically, what was the point of giving us the best Bane outside the comics only to turn him into a ****** by the end in the name of continuity, if you were going to ignore continuity in the first place?

 

[zenith16]

Shika he knows about what you said the first time, with the gadgets which was answered by one of the producers of Batman Ao in the l337 lounge live twitch live stream when dark lord put it up some time back and stated the reasons before the launch. http://www.twitch.tv/1337loungelive/c/2840174and http://www.twitch.tv/1337loungelive/c/2838833

& http://www.twitch.tv/1337loungelive/c/2840174

since that was a long live stream and few technical difficulty's happened it was split in to parts

it's where I was stating that from quote on batman's gear in Arkham Asylum was broken etc but they were always that advance as they put it. but they really didn't elaborate on AC.

obviously with Bane they just wanted a lead in to him being the way was in Ac and cause they didn't think they might do another installment. And drugs mess you up.

 

[Drz]

Isn't this 5 year thing just something fans over the forums think because they're confusing the game with the comics?

 

[badgrammar]

Joker can't age that much in just 5 years. I believe it's 11 years

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Batman-Arkham-Origins-Screenshots-Confirm-Joker-Anarky-55881.html

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/File:Joker-batman-arkham-asylum-8528921-1280-720.jpg

 

[Savage]

Nope. It's been known that this took place five years before Arkham Asylum for a long time now. Which was fine until I actually played the game and realized how ridiculous it would be to cram so much into a five year span (not to mention age issues with certain characters like Gordon). I don't think that it was mentioned within the game, though, so it's not too late to retcon that. Even 10 years would make way more sense.

 

[Savage]

Joker can't age that much in just 5 years. I believe it's 12 years

Exactly. Not even just Joker but Commisioner Gordon really goes to crap within 5 years.

 

[Drz]

Nope. It's been known that this took place five years before Arkham Asylum for a long time now.

You need a source for that claim.

 

[zenith16]

Exactly. Not even just Joker but Commisioner Gordon really goes to crap within 5 years.

well if were's talking about what titan well.. but prior to that no he shouldn't age that much

 

[zenith16]

You need a source for that claim.

Founds it.

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It was posted by Two face the poster (the other two face that hasnt talked in a bit) in this thread here's the link

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=465817&page=8

I still have it.

 

[Drz]

So because the interviewer said 5 years and the associate producer didn't correct or comment about that, this whole forum thinks the timeline is what the eurogamer interviewer decided to go for? Whaaaaat?