Batman: Arkham Origins - Part 7

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well hey it's up for an award or in a sudden death match elimination in the Rocket and Rayguns as I just put up top.

So Batman AO had some thing to it and did do some thing's rights so. ther was something there. if they had just pushed back and polished it thouh it would have been view better and this same process would be happening in other places beside just there with EPD.TV/ROTR. At least we're not the only ones that see the potential.
 
So just beat this. I bought it the day it came out but due to my TV at college breaking I hadnt been to play much. But i finally beat it after comign home for break. I thought it was pretty good.
-It felt a lot shorter. Or at least the main story did and I didnt like how some upgrades could only be gotten after beating side missions. Was it like that in AC? I dont remember but I wish I knew that so I couldve gotten Disarm and Destroy the final mission. But that's on me since i always save side missions for last. Voice acting was really good, so was gamplay. Batman felt a little slower, but he was supposed to be right?

One thing I really didnt like and Im sure it's been discussed: [BLACKOUT]Joker being the big bad. I thought that was pretty lame and I think they need to branch away from him more[/BLACKOUT]


Overall good game. Looking forward to the next one
 
Batman felt a little slower, but he was supposed to be right?

Uhm... that's literally impossible, unless you were suffering from massive lag the entire playthrough. Or have you just not played Arkham City in a while?
 
Try getting back to it now. I tried to play Arkham City for a couple minutes, after Arkham Origins, and Batman felt so slow.
 
I still love this game. I agree that for the most part it's the same as Arkham City but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing as Arkham City was fantastic. I love the Christmas eve setting, the music, tone etc. and I think that Christmas eve and moreso the fact that there's a snowstorm are fine excuses for the city being abandoned. You can tell there were warnings about this storm from notices around the city/the police announcements and it's standard procedure for a curfew/evacuation to be in affect in these situations, so it makes sense.

As for technical issues. I'm on PS3 and initially there were a few noticeable lag/framerate issues but the patches fixed all that and the game has been running perfect since then so I guess I've been lucky.

Yeah, I never understood the complaint about there being no "civilians" on the street, it's addressed right up front in the story. The only problem I've really had was the fighting seemed off. However, now that I've been working on the challenge maps it doesn't seem quite as difficult. It feels like I'm progressing through them quicker than City, but that may also be because I don't have to go through them with 4 characters. Although I'm going to have to do New Game Plus so I can get the sonic shock upgrade to finish the challenge rooms.
 
I really, really liked Origins. It the best game in the series thus far, IMHO. Blackgate is also stellar, the Vita version anyway. Not sure about the 3DS.
 
Finally got a chance to play the game. Minus a few issues here and there that I have, I really, really liked this game. I do think it lacks some of the magic and fun that the Rocksteady games had (the attention to detail, freshness, and "wow" comic book feel are either gone or watered down to an extent) but it is still a solid entry, still holds up to the Rocksteady games overall and is worthy of the Arkham title IMO. For a game that was essentially just an appetizer until the real "Arkham 3" comes out, I feel it achieved a few things that made it much more than just an appetizer.

Since it is very late where I live and it seems most of the positives of the game have already been addressed and discussed many times since the game came out (based on the pages I skimmed over), I'll mainly just address the negatives for now.


This game went out of its way to make my two biggest fears come true: Joker's origin and the "empty world syndrome". :argh:

I never got why some writers would decide to go the (somewhat anticlimactic) Red Hood route and establish Joker's origin as fact as opposed to the more Modern Age/Killing Joke approach of his origin being a mystery (other than the fact that Batman had some sort of involvement in his creation) and him always interpreting it in a different way. On top of that, it doesn't even make sense continuity-wise because Arkham City did go the Killing Joke route and establish his origin as a mystery (listen to the interview tapes). Sure they don't directly come out and say it's his actual origin and it could have been just the origin the Joker remembered on that day, but they still heavily imply it and that bugs me.

As for the "empty world syndrome", although nowhere as bad as in the Spider-Man games, it is still a problem here nonetheless and it's disappointing to see the franchise get hit with this syndrome after avoiding it thus far. Rocksteady knew they couldn't do a full-on Gotham game justice so they stuck to the "less is more" approach and created two incredibly detailed maps with tons to explore. Origins sacrifices that for a bigger map and even takes away some of the magic and fun away in the process.


It also has some continuity issues.

Certain things in AA/AC are contradicted. How does Batman have the grapnel boost? Why isn't the new detective mode built into his later masks? Why did he go around carrying a huge gun in AC to shoot electric things if he could just use gloves? Harley's first meeting with the Joker doesn't match their first meeting in the AA tapes. It is also completely impossible for this to take place just 5 years before AA.

Then there are certain parts that have prequelitis. The biggest example is Bane. They did such a fantastic job with Bane (easily the best adaptation of Bane IMO) only to turn him into a brainless moron by the end due to him being just that later on.


As a side note, it was a great idea to wait until the Christmas season to play this game. Nothing fit the mood better than playing the game with Christmas decorations around the chimney (next to the TV) and the Christmas tree next to me. :woot:
 
I absolutely agree on the 5 year difference. It's the same problem that the New 52 has. 10 years would make way more sense. Put a decade between them. I agree with you about the continuity issues but feel that they can easily be explained with the exception of the discrepancy in Harley and Joker's first meeting. The developers could have at least listened to the tapes from the first game.
 
Geoff Johns of DC Entertaiment was behind the 5 years thing he was there at the SDCC panel that Vic of EPD.TV/ROTR hosted/MC'd it's on you tube.

As to the Detective mode and gadgets bat mans gear was broken in AA and a no one bothered to update the gear in that auxiliary bat cave under the asylums since it was built . they didn't Elaborate on Ac.

As too most of it being so high tech in the past they were supposed to be that way from the jump they claim and we saw how bat man acquired half of them which most weren't Wayne tech, he took them off of the criminals he met in origins like the Crypto scanner he use's for hacking and what ever else he picked from them he re-engineered it into his other gadgets like his grapnel gun doing what that weapon he picked up from death stroke does. with a few minor differences, but does pretty the same stuff in later years.

Batman's cape has been shown to carry large Bata rang blades which he used in JLU as swords fighting Transforming nano bots the size of Dogs which he some how carries in his cape and the huge weapon he took off of Death stroke is Questioned?

He's just weird like that.lol oh well
 
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Finally defeated Lady Shiva on the Initiation!
 
Sweet. Love that fight. Getting that achievement for not getting hit by her was a ***** to get.
 
Wait... Only 5 years between Origins and Asylum? I call BS on that.. It doesn't even make sense. Batman in Asylum is obviously in his middle 30's. In Origin's he's looks to be in his 20's. Joker look a HELL of a lot older in Asylum than he does in Origin's too..More so his hairline. :p

I'm just going to pretend that it was never said..or never been announced as official. I'll go with 10-15 years between the two. :p
 
I hated this game a bit when you do Dark Knight Challenges - predator ones I read you have do them in story mode otherwise you can't.... :cmad: in AC you can do challenges ven you finish the story.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling we will get a Batman game every year from now? With them alternating between studios (Rocksteady, WB Montreal, maybe another one)? I get the feeling this is what they'll do. Arkham Origins left a lot of room for things to explore in a sequel. It's the same thing that happened with the COD and Assassin's Creed franchises. Once they got really big, we started getting a game every year.

I think we are bound to see an oversaturation of Batman games soon.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling we will get a Batman game every year from now? With them alternating between studios (Rocksteady, WB Montreal, maybe another one)? I get the feeling this is what they'll do. Arkham Origins left a lot of room for things to explore in a sequel. It's the same thing that happened with the COD and Assassin's Creed franchises. Once they got really big, we started getting a game every year.

I think we are bound to see an oversaturation of Batman games soon.
I don't. And I hope the rest of the fan base noticed what the real problem was with the bugs and issues and it was cause of short development time and the fact they didn't want to be cautious enough with their test of those. I've state full well enough what a mistake that would be. and not every publisher is capable of pulling that off. just cause ubisoft allowed the Cod model doesn't mean every one should.

Any way I've said it enough times already on here. They should take their time. Dev's should be allowed to tell their insane publisher boss's that only care about money and dead lines that "No" "this game isn't ready yet" if the boss still wants it out at least it was under protest. if the qulity drops you'll know who's fault it is.
 
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I don't. And I hope the rest of the fan base noticed what the real problem was with the bugs and issues and it was cause of short development time and the fact they didn't want to be cautious enough with their test of those. I've state full well enough what a mistake that would be. and not every publisher is capable of pulling that off. just cause ubisoft allowed the Cod model doesn't mean every one should.

Any way I've said it enough times already on here. They should take their time. Dev's should be allowed to tell their insane publisher boss's that only care about money and dead lines that "No" "this game isn't ready yet" if the boss still wants it out at least it was under protest. if the qulity drops you'll know who's fault it is.

Oversaturation =/= shorter development time. I'm not talking about Origins' quality as a whole. This has nothing to do with Origins. I'm talking about alternate studios developing a Batman game every year when Rocksteady doesn't release one. That sort of stuff. I think we are bound to see that soon.
 
Oversaturation =/= shorter development time. I'm not talking about Origins' quality as a whole. This has nothing to do with Origins. I'm talking about alternate studios developing a Batman game every year when Rocksteady doesn't release one. That sort of stuff. I think we are bound to see that soon.
I'm just saying I hope it doesn't make drop in quality some due to that and how fast Wb want each studio doing the batman games out. I want them to learn from this. having yearly (one ever year) or just too much of it might not work out so well for them, in the long run.

Well it depends on how it's executed in the end. That's all I mean.

and on the subject of too much bat man....
Batman: Arkham origins is defeated by the Last of us. and that question (Was it too much batman) is possed. The same will be said about joker if it happens one more time.


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I would be okay with annual Batman games if they could prove that they can do it without all of these bugs. Over saturation is a problem, though (I was not that excited for Origins and was pleasantly surprised with the result) so I think spin-offs are a better idea. A Nightwing game set in Bludhaven with flashback missions to his days as Robin would be a great game for WB Montreal to work on. Throw in guest appearances from the other Robins and Batgirl and you have something really good to bide time until the next Batman release.

I think spinoffs are the way that they will go if the after credits scene is any indication (SUPER excited about THAT game, BTW :D). I'm hoping for a Green Arrow game someday since Arrow has been on it's way to making him a household name and references to him and his world are increasing.
 
Yes basically I see this as an appetizer to hold us over until we get the true Arkham sequel. In that respect, I see it as a worthy installment.

It does have contradictions. Now regarding the gadgets, here's the deal guys, the developers basically said we aren't sacrificing gameplay for story. Meaning they wouldn't take away cool gadgets and techniques from Bats for the sake of story. Basically, there's a lot of tech Batman has in this game he probably shouldn't have yet. The sequencer he has in this game is arguably more advanced than the ones from Asylum and City.

In this version, Bane could never have really broken Batman. They do the back-breaking sequence but BATMAN NO SELLS IT! He's OK after it's done to him. So in this universe there's no breaking of the Bat and a replacement Batman. Though I think these events were implied by Asylum (character profiles and such).
 
Maybe it's TN-1 Bane who breaks his back later? There's still time and he certainly has the power to easily do it.
 
I mean the power I guess. But the whole thing is that this Bane is kind of a broken man and a shell of his former self.

The Bane that was able to break Batman was the type of Bane at the start of this Bane.
 
This is true. Man, I hope Origins gets sequels because it's raising more questions just by existing. If Bane broke Batman's back it'll have to be a situation completely different from the comic book story. I'm playing Asylum again and I don't think these guys even played this. Just regarding Bane alone I'm wondering why he's so skinny once the venom (we know it's TN-1 now) is sucked out of him. Was the venom the only reason he was so tall and muscular in Origins? I love Origins but I'm not even that far into Asylum yet and I'm already asking questions.

The easiest one to answer is the lack of gadgets, though. You start asylum with a baterang and a grappling hook. That is it. Everything else you get from the Batcave underneath the Asylum so those gadgets are probably all pretty dated anyway.

Now it's just the character related stuff that is going to drive me nuts.
 
Why can't you just accept the gameplay is the only reason why those gadgets exist in Origins, sheesh?

Also how is the character related stuff driving you nuts? There's no contradictions.
 
I said the gadgets are the only thing that's easily explained. Everything in Origins is probably in the original Batcave in Arkham Asylum (which doesn't appear in the game). So that's the reason Batman starts Arkham Asylum bare bones. He was just routinely dropping of Joker and only had two gadgets on him. So the gadget thing is understandable.

So far Bane is the character that has raised questions for me. In this game he starts out as this little skinny dude who turns into a behemoth. In Origins he's already a big guy without even pressing the venom button. This stuff could easily be explained, I'm sure (I'm racking my brain making up excuses for the games at this point) but it is quite a bit of a discrepancy.

I've yet to collect all of Harley's tapes yet so I'll see if those contradict Origins or not. Keep in mind I'm not looking for this stuff. I just decided to play the games in sequential order and so far it's just the Bane thing that has really bugged me while the gadgets was more of an "Oh! Of course!" response.
 
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