The Dark Knight Rises Batman: To "Die".. or Not To "Die:?

[TheBatman072]

Yes. I understand that.
I also understand that movies CAN end with the death of the main character.

You haven't addressed post #213 yet.

 

[Bathead]

Why is this thread even in existence? Batman will NOT die. No way, no how. Not only would it not serve any purpose, but it would go against the title of the film and the natural progression of the series.

There may be a point in TDKR when Gotham and/or Gordon believes the Batman to be dead and gone, but it's safe to say that Batman will rise from the ashes and become the solidified hero that Gotham will always need. It is and always will be Bruce Wayne's destiny to be "Batman forever" and I believe the final images of this film will reflect that. The fact that this is the conclusion of Nolan's Batman story doesn't mean that the hero will die because his story is told. Anyone who thinks so is AN IDIOT. No offense intended.

Except for the bolded part (that was just plain rude), I agree wholeheartedly with everything else.

 

[not_a_victim]

You haven't addressed post #213 yet.

You didn't ask any questions in that post, just made statements.
I had previously addressed everything you posted in #213. Your refutation in that post is pointless.

 

[TheBatman072]

You didn't ask any questions in that post, just made statements.
I had previously addressed everything you posted in #213. Your refutation in that post is pointless.

You said an awful lot of words there to just say "I have no argument."

 

[Alexander_Knox]

If Batman were to die, which we know he won't, I think alot of people would disregard TDKR as being connected to Begins and TDK. I know I would.People wouldn't accept it and treat it as a "what if", post TDK story.

The whole point of Nolan's interpretation is the beginnings of Batman. With Begins and TDK this is the early part of his career. Like TheBatman072, they've been building up the character in these films so by the end of TDKR we essentially have the "comic Batman". It already began with the introduction of the Joker, TDKR will just take Bruce even further into his career as Batman.

 

[BatScot]

Not to die—if Nolan kills off Batman then this trilogy becomes an Elseworlds story. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but yank it from the canon and stick in a clay pot. Frankly, I don't believe anyone wants to see Nolan kill off Batman. I don't even believe the Nolanites want Nolan to kill off Batman—and though they will be compelled to accept it as an article of faith should it come to pass, in their heart of hearts they will know their church is built on sand.

 

[Sith Scotti]

These films are elseworlds title already . They are canon or tied down to the comics , hence Henri Ducard & Ras are the same person

 

[D.P.]

What a cop out and cheap attempt at shock value.

 

[Solidus]

What a cop out and cheap attempt at shock value.

Not a cop out, again for the 100th time he has died in the comics, and Batman Beyond, Robin/Nightwing show that Batman has always planned to have a second generation of people following his legacy.

Batman is about the legacy, not the man. Shock value? Nah, only if the journey itself is boring and pointless is when the death itself would be pointless and made for shock value. If the journey of Bruce leads up to it well, and concludes his journey it won't be cheap or a copout. It's all about the journey, the death is just an event, if it happens or not is to be seen, its all speculation.

But this thread is reminding me too much of the make up thread lol.

 

[D.P.]

He's been Batman in the Nolan universe for a total of what 3-4 years? Being generous there.

He has a lot to learn and accomplish before you kill him off. Especially since they're planning on continuing with Nolan's vision in the next reboot.

 

[blueblazer2]

This film would be depressing if he end up dying . And the title of the movie would not make sense , If he dies

 

[Nevincer]

Especially since they're planning on continuing with Nolan's vision in the next reboot.

Umm, what?

 

[D.P.]

Umm, what?

Nolan is overseeing the next round of Batman films down the line. A la his role in the current Man of Steel movie.

 

[Solidus]

But he did say that this is the definitive ending to his films. But again we are speculating, ya he has only done it for a few years, but that does not mean the journey is any less significant. But we will wait an see.

 

[KalMart]

Nolan is overseeing the next round of Batman films down the line. A la his role in the current Man of Steel movie.

Doesn't mean it'll continue Nolan's Batman films. He'll be an exec. producer like Spielberg is to Bay and Abrams.

 

[TheVerbos]

Nolan as producer doesn't imply creative involvement. Often, a film with numerous producers means that the 'producer' credit is divied up and one person holds the credit as a free slot (an empty title).

 

[Mandalore464]

That makes no sense.

It does. You just fail to understand. Let's try again with a twist : Killing off a popular character and getting away with it is difficult to do, because it looks like an easy way out.

 

[not_a_victim]

It does. You just fail to understand. Let's try again with a twist : Killing off a popular character and getting away with it is difficult to do, because it looks like an easy way out.

It makes no sense because you are not saying what it is an easy way out of.
It's an easy way out of what, exactly?
Your statement is too vague to even begin to formulate a response.
Again, the literal death of Batman, and the figurative death of Batman are two different things.
The spectrum of what could happen ranges from Wyane being outted as being Batman, to the literal death of Batman, the literal death of Wayne unconnected with any Batman actions, to Wayne dying while trying to do something Batman-esque.
How many classic works of literature end with the death of the protagonist? From ancient works, through to Shadespeare, to modern works of both literature and movies, it happens. And for people to get on here and say that a comic book character, translated to film, is above being killed off in one form or another is asinine. What you are basically saying is Batman is immune to literary devices that the xtian messiah was subject to. Really? We can subject the son of god to a literary device, but not Batman? He's a hero, and heroes die all the time being heroes.
Nolan has structered his version of Batman as a classic tragic hero, and while I am not calling for/advocating for the 'death' of Batman in any way, I would nto be surprised if he has found a way to make it work. Remember, he said he woudln't even consider coming back to the series unless the final movie had both a strong story to tell, but also wrapped the series up.

 

[Nevincer]

It makes no sense because you are not saying what it is an easy way out of.
It's an easy way out of what, exactly?
Your statement is too vague to even begin to formulate a response.
Again, the literal death of Batman, and the figurative death of Batman are two different things.
The spectrum of what could happen ranges from Wyane being outted as being Batman, to the literal death of Batman, the literal death of Wayne unconnected with any Batman actions, to Wayne dying while trying to do something Batman-esque.
How many classic works of literature end with the death of the protagonist? From ancient works, through to Shadespeare, to modern works of both literature and movies, it happens. And for people to get on here and say that a comic book character, translated to film, is above being killed off in one form or another is asinine. What you are basically saying is Batman is immune to literary devices that the xtian messiah was subject to. Really? We can subject the son of god to a literary device, but not Batman? He's a hero, and heroes die all the time being heroes.
Nolan has structered his version of Batman as a classic tragic hero, and while I am not calling for/advocating for the 'death' of Batman in any way, I would nto be surprised if he has found a way to make it work. Remember, he said he woudln't even consider coming back to the series unless the final movie had both a strong story to tell, but also wrapped the series up.

Bravo.

 

[Sith Scotti]

This film would be depressing if he end up dying . And the title of the movie would not make sense , If he dies

Batman ascends to heaven . so the title could make sense. His legaacy will be cemented in saving Gothan from a grave threat which may or may not be sacrficing his own life .

I am thinking Alfred will be the sacrifical lamb here

 

[The_Raganork]

Batman ascends to heaven . so the title could make sense. His legaacy will be cemented in saving Gothan from a grave threat which may or may not be sacrficing his own life .

I am thinking Alfred will be the sacrifical lamb here

Or Bruce finally does the right thing and protects Gotham not because he feels obligated to but, because it's the right thing to do.

He comes out of obscurity and fights for the people of Gotham Selflessly.

He Rises above his personal selfish wants of a 'normal' life to do what needs to be done.

If he dies, if he doesn't die doesn't make a difference if he does that.

He rose and he became the exact thing Gotham needed.

People have some pretty sad definitions of this title that don't do Nolan justice at all

 

[Jedm1991]

In a "Grounded" world, much like our own, one of you guys go out and try to be Batman and see how long you live.

 

[BatScot]

There is any number of ways to have a "definite ending", only a few of which result in the death of the protagonist or the protagonists legacy. And please, let go of this 'Batman dies in the comics' argument; we all know no character is dead-dead in the comics and last I check Bruce Wayne is still Batman. Characters die in the comics because after 30-40-70 years writers run out of ideas. Nolan has about seven hours to frame his mythology and that's not so long so as to begin worrying about killing the character off. What really irks me about this whole idea is that in Begins Nolan gave us a Batman willing to give up the cowl, in TDK he gave us a Batman wanting to abdicate to Dent, and now he's going to serve him up on a slab! To hell with that.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Or Bruce finally does the right thing and protects Gotham not because he feels obligated to but, because it's the right thing to do.

He comes out of obscurity and fights for the people of Gotham Selflessly.

He Rises above his personal selfish wants of a 'normal' life to do what needs to be done.

If he dies, if he doesn't die doesn't make a difference if he does that.

He rose and he became the exact thing Gotham needed.

People have some pretty sad definitions of this title that don't do Nolan justice at all

Yes , which is why I could see Bats be given the choice to save a lot of people or save Alfred and he does the right thing regardless of his feelings.

IN TDK he tried to save Rachel instead of the the DA Dent and it was the wrong choice for multiple reasons

 

[BatScot]

In a "Grounded" world, much like our own, one of you guys go out and try to be Batman and see how long you live.

You'd probably die just trying to put on the suit... remember most accidents happen in the home