BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - Part 12

[Wylie Times]

You can't have it both way.

A. If you're one of the haters who think the critics are fair and the movie is one if the worst CBMs of all time and that it deserves all the hate and negative buzz, then you shouldn't look at the drop it has and act as if it's the disaster in apocalyptic proportion. You have to see the drop and think it's well deserved.

B. If you're one of the supporters who think the critics are wrong and the movie is actually good and doesn't deserve the hate it's been getting then the 2nd weekend drop of this proportion is a disaster and a cause for concern.

If it's indeed a terrible movie then it just gets what it deserves. It's a bad news for those who like it though.

Well for one thing most of the critics aren't saying it's one of the worst comic book movies of all time.

People who like the movie are cherry picking negative reviews to push a narrative that "Critics are unfairly trashing the movie". The average critic rating of the film is 5/10, if you read most of the reviews they say the film is "ok but flawed". The amount of "hate" the film is getting is overblown.

 

[Spiderdevil]

But is 850 really all that bad? I mean if you use the socery spell to calculate when a studio breaks even there are actually a good many superhero movies that just break even. Now of course we shouldn't settle. But many of you are treating this like John Carter or Waterworld. In the grand scheme of things its depressing but not turrible financially.

Well the 'good number of superhero movies that just break even' lead to unfavorable consequences- SM4, Superman lives, Batman triumphant, Dredd 2, the sequel to both Hulk movies, Daredevil 2, Fant4stic sequel, TASM3, Sinister Six, all got cancelled due to unfavorable box office results

 

[jokesonm3]

The proof is in the pudding, that $81M Opening day Friday for this film shows us that before the reviews there was a high amount of interest in this film, after that number however it's quality striked it hard with vengeance with extreme traumatic drops the following days.

But still that that $81M is basically what could have been, for this movie.

 

[WilliamK99]

This looks like another case of WB fudging the numbers, they know this is dropping more than 70% so they change it to look like a 69% drop, only typing the worst wide release superhero movie drop ever... This is guaranteed to be dropping below 50 million for 2nd weekend which is really, really, really bad, and there is no way you can spin this otherwise....

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Does anyone on here know where this film fits in a historical context internationally? I have seen these types of drops for poorly received films domestically, but often they end up getting bailed out by the international markets. I can't even recall seeing another big budget blockbuster that has had these enormous drops (70-80%+) in so many major markets. Are there some comparisons out there, or is the complete collapse of this film everywhere basically without precedent?

 

[jokesonm3]

Least these numbers mean Snyder's out... hopefully.

I just don't see the Justice League making more than BvS if he stays on, it'll probably have a box office lower than Man of Steel even...

Damn that 70% is high....

 

[Flint Marko]

Does anyone on here know where this film fits in a historical context internationally? I have seen these types of drops for poorly received films domestically, but often they end up getting bailed out by the international markets. I can't even recall seeing another big budget blockbuster that has had these enormous drops (70-80%+) in so many major markets. Are there some comparisons out there, or is the complete collapse of this film everywhere basically without precedent?

Great question, I'd love to know what other movies, if any, have faced this same response.

 

[Sithborg]

Does anyone on here know where this film fits in a historical context internationally? I have seen these types of drops for poorly received films domestically, but often they end up getting bailed out by the international markets. I can't even recall seeing another big budget blockbuster that has had these enormous drops (70-80%+) in so many major markets. Are there some comparisons out there, or is the complete collapse of this film everywhere basically without precedent?

It's difficult, because most of the major sites for tracking box office tracks domestic in more detail than the international. I guess there is probably a local site for most countries that keeps track, but that would be a pain to collate data from.

The Sat estimate is good news, all things considered. Still going to pull in less than Deadpool, Hunger Games, and Furious 7 this weekend, but it should cross $50 million, which is a small win, all things considered.

 

[jokesonm3]

Never make a movie for the fans first and foremost with the expectations of scoring big at the box office.

Box Office 101

As loyal as fans are, fans represent a small minority of everyone that goes to the theatres and watches that said movie.

 

[Flint Marko]

Best I can find is XMen Origins http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=wolverine.htm

and Hulk http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=hulk.htm

Two of my least favorite CBMs, not great company.

 

[Wylie Times]

But according to Fandango this movie had more repeat business than any other movie...ever... It is an actual quote from them....

And some people called that out as a bogus claim. All the other numbers show that it was indeed a bogus claim.

 

[DCmania]

Well for one thing most of the critics aren't saying it's one of the worst comic book movies of all time.

People who like the movie are cherry picking negative reviews to push a narrative that "Critics are unfairly trashing the movie". The average critic rating of the film is 5/10, if you read most of the reviews they say the film is "ok but flawed". The amount of "hate" the film is getting is overblown.

There seems to be an undercurrent mandated by critics to push Snyder out of this franchise. I was a supporter of Snyder in the MoS days despite my doubts that he was of the right caliber for this franchise, if anything to support the team. I am now firmly on the side of the critics. It would be a big mistake by WB to carry on with Snyder, unless they're happy with mediocre results, when other studios are smashing records left right and center with their properties. WB once at the top of the CBM game(mainly because theirs was the only game in town) now barely managing to break even. They have a terrible record at making course corrections, think(Superman 3 & 4, Batman 3 & 4). I just hope at some point one of the higher ups at WB snaps out of this daze they are in and starts doing things the right way with the right people. So far it's all been disheartening...

 

[Sithborg]

But according to Fandango this movie had more repeat business than any other movie...ever... It is an actual quote from them....

Yup. And it is probably true, from a certain point of view. I am thinking that it was the percentage of sales that was repeat business compared to new purchases is what they were referring to, not actual numbers of repeat business. Data can tell completely different stories and still be true. It is all about how you present it. The Fandango info that was in articles reeked of spin.

 

[samsnee]

Never make a movie for the fans first and foremost with the expectations of scoring big at the box office.

Box Office 101

As loyal as fans are, fans represent a small minority of everyone that goes to the theatres and watches that said movie.

Not necessarily true. Look at Deadpool

 

[Wylie Times]

Never make a movie for the fans first and foremost with the expectations of scoring big at the box office.

Box Office 101

As loyal as fans are, fans represent a small minority of everyone that goes to the theatres and watches that said movie.

I don't even buy that they made this movie for fans. A lot of fans CLEARLY don't like this movie and some are the most vocal detractors. They made this movie a sub set of fans that want these specific types of stories.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Not necessarily true. Look at Deadpool

Deadpool was proof that if you make a good movie that's true to the character, you'll have a lot of happy people. Did Snyder make a good movie (no) that's true to his characters?

 

[jokesonm3]

Does anyone on here know where this film fits in a historical context internationally? I have seen these types of drops for poorly received films domestically, but often they end up getting bailed out by the international markets. I can't even recall seeing another big budget blockbuster that has had these enormous drops (70-80%+) in so many major markets. Are there some comparisons out there, or is the complete collapse of this film everywhere basically without precedent?

For me it's like this:

Batman v Superman has the legs of a terrible superhero movie, (like Fantastic Four, Catwoman, X-man Origins etc.) But thanks to its brand name and brilliant marketing by WB, it had the opening weekend potentials of a big superhero film (like the Avengers or the Dark Knight Rises), and no superhero film has ever done that before, a superhero film with so much potential crashing so bad

Two box office phenomenons collided here for the very first time, for BvS it's like if the Avengers opened big like they did, but had the box office legs of the Fantastic Four, that's what's happening here.

 

[Stark Bauer]

About Jem and the Holograms? It was pulled from theaters after less than three weeks: http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Jem-Holograms-Has-Been-Pulled-From-Theaters-93687.html

If you want to talk about a movie that gave the finger to its entire fanbase, that was it. Unlike BvS it had a terrible opening weekend because of that. At least BvS proves there is a lot of excitement for DCU movies.

Ahhhhh I see thanks man.

 

[jokesonm3]

Not necessarily true. Look at Deadpool

Yes but Fox never expected Deadpool to score big at the box office.

I personally pegged it at $400M - $450M

 

[Stark Bauer]

I don't even buy that they made this movie for fans. A lot of fans CLEARLY don't like this movie and some are the most vocal detractors. They made this movie a sub set of fans that want these specific types of stories.

Good point. I would say it's BO reflects a comic book fan like Snyder taking something he likes like 300 Watchmen and so on and applying that same filter and making the DC universe to be forced to be retrofitted into that type of vibe.

It just doesn't work for me and the GA have voted with their wallets

 

[jokesonm3]

I don't even buy that they made this movie for fans. A lot of fans CLEARLY don't like this movie and some are the most vocal detractors. They made this movie a sub set of fans that want these specific types of stories.

Yeah but i'm talking about before the release, with the Trinity and Doomsday and Darkseid tease and stuff this didn't feel like a film for the general audience, even many critics claimed that this film felt like it was targeted at the hardcore DC fanbase (Which is bull because this film divided the fanbase so much)

 

[Poni_Boy]

Not necessarily true. Look at Deadpool

Deadpool was an R rated pop culture smorgasbord for the ADHD generation. There's your GA appeal. Plus it made fans happy. Plus it was cheap.

 

[FunkMiller]

Jurassic World and The Force Awakens are what happen when a studio and filmmaker go "hey fans, I really hope you like this movie but we're making it for the GA first and foremost." BvS is what happens when a studio and filmmaker go "hey GA, I really hope you like this movie but we're making it for fans first and foremost." With $400 mil on the table that's a bad vision statement.

I'd argue it was more like "Hey GA and fans, I really hope you like this movie, but we're making it for me, Zack Snyder, first and foremost."

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't even buy that they made this movie for fans. A lot of fans CLEARLY don't like this movie and some are the most vocal detractors. They made this movie a sub set of fans that want these specific types of stories.

I do. Intent and action are different. If you say "I love Italian food" and I make you mediocre pasta with some odd ingredients based on that, and you hate it, it doesn't take away from my intent to make something you would love.

 

[kalhawj]

What's the number for Saturday?