BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - Part 12

[kalhawj]

See: Gotham

Gotham was made not to have Batman, plus WB doesn't want Batman in TV shows. SS comics and animation always have Batman cameo in it. Nothing will change from that. I'm hoping SS pull big BO numbers.

 

[FunkMiller]

That's television. Different rules apply. You simply do not eject your most profitable character out of a major motion picture if it his world that the characters are interacting in.

They pretty much did that with Iron Man 3 and it worked.

Ba dum dum tish.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Not necessarily. There is nothing tying Suicide Squad to the DCEU other than a cameo from Batfleck. Considering that SS's trailers have been met with positivity, there is merit to moving away from that and letting SS exist as its own entity rather than muddling down in a continuity than fans are not being receptive to.

Bingo. Protect the brand. Batfleck is now popular. They might not want to risk losing that momentum with an iffy property at this point. We'll see

 

[jaymes_e06]

That's television. Different rules apply. You simply do not eject your most profitable character out of a major motion picture if it his world that the characters are interacting in.

Especially since he lives in said world universe. Gotham was made to be a origin not have them as established threats not interacting with Bats. Again it's far to premature to think they would go to thoughs lengths.

 

[Boom]

And Suicide Squad also had a $200 million production budget, did it not?

WB might want to consider reeling in these budgets a bit. They're really putting themselves in a position where these films HAVE to crack a billion to turn a comfortable profit.

 

[Double B]

They will ABSOLUTELY be disappointed if this ends up in the $800m range. This is the movie to launch a thousand ships (franchises), struggling to break even is not a good investment.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Gotham was made not to have Batman, plus WB doesn't want Batman in TV shows. SS comics and animation always have Batman cameo in it. Nothing will change from that. I'm hoping SS pull big BO numbers.

SS was made not to feature Batman. It's a cameo. One scene. I hope you guys aren't expecting SS to be Batman vs Joker.

 

[johnboy3434]

So, regarding profitability: If the production budget was $250 million, then let's add 50% for P&A. That's a $375 million negative cost. Let's say it makes 40% of its money in the domestic market. Saying that it keeps 55% of domestic ticket sales and one-third of foreign ticket sales, that means the film would have to make about $950 million to break even. Does that sound fair, or am I way off base?

 

[Plaidchuck]

Wil Smith worries me for SS. He's notorious for not wanting to share screen time.

 

[Rapunzel]

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the Batfleck scene from SS "just in case"

Um.....what??? You're supposed to be "an insider" and you genuinely think WB would cut out the Batman from SS? With the Joker/Harley present?

Cutting Batman would be something not even considered. Quit making up dumb theories to fit your narrative over how bad BvS is.

 

[-Arya-]

But he really doesn't interact with them all that much in SS. It is a glorified cameo. Removing Batfleck from the equation leaves the door open either way. If JL somehow turns the reception to Batfleck around, he can interact with them in a sequel or in his own movies. If it doesn't and the Suicide Squad is well received, it can be its own entity all together (and even bring in its own alternate universe Batman if the story necessitates it). It is a win/win.

I don't disagree with you, however is it just a cameo if he's chasing the Joker and riding on top of his car? I'm not sure how much involvement he has in SS but I think it would be a mistake to remove Batman from a movie with the Joker imo.

 

[B]

True, but we've seen other reports (namely the Forbes article) claiming this film will need 800M just to break even with production, advertisement and overhead taken into account. I'm not sure which amount is true, but nonetheless, I'd still think WB is hesitant to say that BvS was a success.

I've not seen the Forbes article but I personally I find that quite a silly claim, saying that it will need $800m to break even means that the movie cost $800m in total to produce & advertise meaning that it needed to make $800m before it even started making any money. If that is actually the case, I think even before having seen the movie it was a superb unrealistic goal to set that it could be a $1.5b movie when they've set it up with 1 other movie which also received a mixed reception.

Then again what do I know, sometimes the stupidity of Hollywood baffles me.

 

[Poni_Boy]

So, regarding profitability: If the production budget was $250 million, then let's add 50% for P&A. That's a $375 million negative cost. Let's say it makes 40% of its money in the domestic market. Saying that it keeps 55% of domestic ticket sales and one-third of foreign ticket sales, that means the film would have to make about $950 million to break even. Does that sound fair, or am I way off base?

In a round about way yes. But WB gets the majority of OW sales so that's why this was front loaded. Currently they are on track to break even.

 

[reptarcrunch]

I don't disagree with you, however is it just a cameo if he's chasing the Joker and riding on top of his car? I'm not sure how much involvement he has in SS but I think it would be a mistake to remove Batman from a movie with the Joker imo.

probably much less screen time than wonder woman had in this movie, probably like ~10 minutes at most

 

[Boom]

Batman is not in Gotham because WB doesnt want him.anywhere near a tv show.

While I wouldn't want Batman anywhere near a show as awful as Gotham, I continue to believe that Batman has a place on television. He lends himself to the concept so well.

Give it a budget and passionate showrunners, and you have a chance to deliver THE definitive Batman on screen.

 

[kalhawj]

SS was made not to feature Batman. It's a cameo. One scene. I hope you guys aren't expecting SS to be Batman vs Joker.

Well I did say in my comments cameo Seeing Batman take down Joker is a plus if it's a flashback or not.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Wil Smith worries me for SS. He's notorious for not wanting to share screen time.

He joined this knowing he wouldn't be the driving force. He needs this more than it needs him.

 

[jaymes_e06]

And Suicide Squad also had a $200 million production budget, did it not?

WB might want to consider reeling in these budgets a bit. They're really putting themselves in a position where these films HAVE to crack a billion to turn a comfortable profit.

Yeah I hate when movie studios over do the budgets especially when you look at the finished work and are lik "where did all the money go?" I have the same issue with a 250 mill Gambit film but i won't go into that because I could talk pages if how much of a wrong move that us...

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I find that quite a silly claim, saying that it will need $800m to break even means that the movie cost $800m in total to produce & advertise meaning that it needed to make $800m before it even started making any money.

Studios take in half the money from the box office tally domestically. Less so internationally..

 

[Plaidchuck]

While I wouldn't want Batman anywhere near a show as awful as Gotham, I continue to believe that Batman has a place on television. He lends himself to the concept so well.

Give it a budget and passionate showrunners, and you have a chance to deliver THE definitive Batman on screen.

Lol the Gotham hate is hilarious. I love it, campy and comicky as it should be.

But it wasnt Gotham Central(most overrated batman comic ever) so we gotta hate on it.

 

[Poni_Boy]

He joined this knowing he wouldn't be the driving force. He needs this more than it needs him.

Yep. Smith is one bomb away from being BO poison. Which is why Margot Robbie and Jared Leto are the headliners for SS.

 

[johnboy3434]

I've not seen the Forbes article but I personally I find that quite a silly claim, saying that it will need $800m to break even means that the movie cost $800m in total to produce & advertise meaning that it needed to make $800m before it even started making any money. If that is actually the case, I think even before having seen the movie it was a superb unrealistic goal to set that it could be a $1.5b movie when they've set it up with 1 other movie which also received a mixed reception.

Then again what do I know, sometimes the stupidity of Hollywood baffles me.

You're assuming that the studio gets everything from ticket sales. The article is assuming they get around half, which is reasonable. So if it cost $400 million, it would have to sell $800 million worth of tickets to break even.

 

[kguillou]

WB just needs to control their spending, plain and simple. If their financiers had any brains they wouldn't have dumped $400 million dollars into the production and marketing. It is not necessary, people.

Batman v Superman's budget could have been $200 million and maybe another $70-$80 million on marketing. It's Batman and Superman, the movie sells itself. The budget for this plus marketing should not have been one cent more than $300 million. I don't see anything in the film that really warranted a higher price tag than that, there was a lot of CGI in the climax of the film but I imagine Zack Snyder is like Neil Blomkamp doesn't really need a lot of money for his CGI sequences. Just time to fine tune it.

 

[Orba]

Does anyone else think that the bad WOM and huge drop could affect box office earnings of future DC Universe films? By being interconnected, a few bad apples could spoil the entire bunch and turn people away from DCEU films...

The big issue will be that if the DCEU gets a reputation as "hit and miss" then it will make the GA more wary of the films, less willing to trust the marketing. If people don't trust the marketing then that would effect the opening weekend as people would be more likely to hold off and wait to see what the reviews and WOM is like. That would contrast them to brands like Pixar or Marvel Studios that have built up a level of trust with the public, who can get people in the cinemas simply by the fact that it is them that made it.

 

[king666]

That seems stupid and hyperbolic imo to think it would escalate to that after ONE film.

I don't know... they're ultra protective of the Batman franchise. And really, hollywood execs. It's not like they really give a **** about these characters. If Batman made $1bi by himself and less than $1bi with Superman, they're probably gonna say it's Superman's fault. It's never gonna come down to "it didn't work because we executed it poorly".