BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - - Part 16

[Light]

All this would have needed was a halfway decent story, a different actor as Lex ( bryan cranston), get rid of the creepy Lex persona, juice up the dialogue between the main three a bit, and a billion would have been in the bag/bank.
How in the world do you NOT have a successful and loved film with these characters?

It needed some fun in it as well, after watching Civil War on Thursday I realised that despite everything that occurred in the movie and weight of the story that it was a fun movie (Civil War) with characters I want to see again. BatmanVSuperman was extremely boring and dreary with a horrible story and terrible characters.

 

[chicagodave]

Maybe it wasnt a "failure" but come on definetely a massive dissapointment. Especially on the domestic side a B movie character with a R rating makes more or about the same as the most iconic hero trilogy of all time. Heres the real kicker imagine if Deadpool actually opened in china what would we be talking about then. Sorry maybe not a failure but certainly one of the worst dissapointments in movie history.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm not sure why a discussion over the Cinemascore, or any audience rating, is even still happening.

1. 27% on Rotten Tomatoes.
2. Horrific box office drop after front loaded OW.

It's blindingly obvious that neither critics nor GA liked this movie.

Exactly this. Given the massive drops that this film has experienced at the box office, it is no longer in doubt that that the Cinemascore and Rotten Tomatoes ARE an accurate reflection of what the average filmgoer thinks of this film.

 

[CaptainCanada]

4All of the solo films are in jeopardy at this point, but that was going to be the case regardless.

I'm glad they already filmed Wonder Woman, because you just know that would be the first thing they delayed if they were losing confidence.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Weekend estimate bumped up to $3.8 million. Looks like it will just get across 325 domestic. Second weekend of better than expected results. Not that it matters much at this point, but hey, it's something.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/keanu-the-jungle-book-mothers-day-weekend-box-office-1201746538/

 

[warcam]

Guys we're not gonna get through to him.

I say we hang it up

Agreed. He's loyal to the end.

 

[warcam]

We are getting a JL movie one way or another. But maybe it'll be a one parter instead of a two parter. All of the solo films are in jeopardy at this point, but that was going to be the case regardless. Everything is contingent upon JL scoring big.

Which it probably won't at this point. How do you think the GA will react when they see the trailer and it shows 'From Director Zack Snyder.....Director of Batman V Superman'? How can you even use that in the marketing at this point? Just his name alone is poison.

 

[Spiderine]

So Flash's director left and now it sounds like Aquaman's director is probably going to leave as well. One can only assume that is a direct reflection of the BO #'s from this film since everything I've read on the situation makes it seem like the studio no longer trusts any of their directors and are trying to force changes onto them. I bet WB is really kicking themselves for not scheduling shooting to start for JL a few more weeks after this opened.

Studio interference really worked well for SM3 and a few other Marvel movies that weren't in the MCU.

This movie has really caused the entire DCCU to come into question which really sucks. This movie should have done a billion easily and rocketed JL to the forefront of the countries collective mind.

As a Marvel fanboy I just feel really bad that DC fans have to go through the anxiety of not knowing if their collective universe is going to make it. That sucks.

Its just bad signs all around. And you know the studio is about get more involved. This could be an epic disaster for JL. They are going to make some big changes while this thing is filming.

They bet the farm on a film that was supposed to spearhead its cinematic universe. Those that either hated BvS or just didn't generate much interest moving forward aint going to care about anything related to that film. That is very problematic for WB.

 

[Gerontophobe]

Which it probably won't at this point. How do you think the GA will react when they see the trailer and it shows 'From Director Zack Snyder.....Director of Batman V Superman'? How can you even use that in the marketing at this point? Just his name alone is poison.

Obviously they won't use his name at all. If Suicide Squad and/or Wonder Woman are good films and well-received (fingers crossed), then WB will just use "from the studio that brought you..." and pretend like Snyder doesn't exist. If neither of those films are good, well, I guess it probably doesn't matter since the DCEU would be dead.

 

[JB33]

We are getting a JL movie one way or another. But maybe it'll be a one parter instead of a two parter. All of the solo films are in jeopardy at this point, but that was going to be the case regardless. Everything is contingent upon JL scoring big.

If this is Warner Bros. and DC's thinking then they're doomed because they've got it all backwards. Focus on the solo films for God's sake!

I give BvS a solid 6/10 so it's not like I hated it at all, but at the end of the day I certainly feel that I can wait awhile for Justice League. There's ZERO hype there, which is a big issue.

Give me the solo films so I can try to invest myself in the individual characters. Put some effort and heart and soul into them.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Which it probably won't at this point. How do you think the GA will react when they see the trailer and it shows 'From Director Zack Snyder.....Director of Batman V Superman'? How can you even use that in the marketing at this point? Just his name alone is poison.

If they use his name for JL I will be truly baffled and it will show just how out of touch WB is with reality. As was mentioned in the post I'll quote last assuming SS and WW are a hit they will do the studio gimmick.

Its just bad signs all around. And you know the studio is about get more involved. This could be an epic disaster for JL. They are going to make some big changes while this thing is filming.

They bet the farm on a film that was supposed to spearhead its cinematic universe. Those that either hated BvS or just didn't generate much interest moving forward aint going to care about anything related to that film. That is very problematic for WB.

We all know what happens to most blockbusters when there are too many cooks in the kitchen. For the life of me, I can't think of one film where studio interference made a positive impact. How they ever thought Snyder would be the man with the vision and competence to deliver to the world the DCCU that it deserves based on his past films is still beyond my comprehension.

This film's BO, drops and RT/Cinemascore all point to them being fools for continuing forward with Snyder at this point. If he really has as much control on JL as other directors do with their films WB is going to be in for a rude awakening. But I don't think they're that stupid. I think Snyder right now has almost no say in anything and they have other people keeping him on a tight leash and trying to adjust JL on the fly as they film right now.

Obviously they won't use his name at all. If Suicide Squad and/or Wonder Woman are good films and well-received (fingers crossed), then WB will just use "from the studio that brought you..." and pretend like Snyder doesn't exist. If neither of those films are good, well, I guess it probably doesn't matter since the DCEU would be dead.

That's the best case scenario for sure. 9I will truly be a sad comic fan if those films tank and the DCCU is DOA when JL hits. I may be a Marvel guy but I really do want kickass DC films and was excited to learn about all these new characters I'm not that familiar with.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Weekend estimate bumped up to $3.8 million. Looks like it will just get across 325 domestic. Second weekend of better than expected results. Not that it matters much at this point, but hey, it's something.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/keanu-the-jungle-book-mothers-day-weekend-box-office-1201746538/

Agree. And it's something even that ww BvS will finish ahead Lord of the Rings: the fellowship of the ring.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

If they use his name for JL I will be truly baffled and it will show just how out of touch WB is with reality. As was mentioned in the post I'll quote last assuming SS and WW are a hit they will do the studio gimmick.



We all know what happens to most blockbusters when there are too many cooks in the kitchen. For the life of me, I can't think of one film where studio interference made a positive impact. How they ever thought Snyder would be the man with the vision and competence to deliver to the world the DCCU that it deserves based on his past films is still beyond my comprehension.

This film's BO, drops and RT/Cinemascore all point to them being fools for continuing forward with Snyder at this point. If he really has as much control on JL as other directors do with their films WB is going to be in for a rude awakening. But I don't think they're that stupid. I think Snyder right now has almost no say in anything and they have other people keeping him on a tight leash and trying to adjust JL on the fly as they film right now.



That's the best case scenario for sure. 9I will truly be a sad comic fan if those films tank and the DCCU is DOA when JL hits. I may be a Marvel guy but I really do want kickass DC films and was excited to learn about all these new characters I'm not that familiar with.

I am a DC fan and I feel perfectly fine with what WB is doing.
10 years ago in this forum the most popular theory was that DC comics characters were done at cinema and good only for cheap TV series like smallville.
5 years ago the theory was updated and only Batman was considered spendable on the big screen, Green Lantern, Superman...all totally unable to cross the 200m mark at the domestic box Office.
Non we are discussing if a 870/880m sh movie could kill a brand.
Please...

 

[Gerontophobe]

We all know what happens to most blockbusters when there are too many cooks in the kitchen. For the life of me, I can't think of one film where studio interference made a positive impact. How they ever thought Snyder would be the man with the vision and competence to deliver to the world the DCCU that it deserves based on his past films is still beyond my comprehension.

This film's BO, drops and RT/Cinemascore all point to them being fools for continuing forward with Snyder at this point. If he really has as much control on JL as other directors do with their films WB is going to be in for a rude awakening. But I don't think they're that stupid. I think Snyder right now has almost no say in anything and they have other people keeping him on a tight leash and trying to adjust JL on the fly as they film right now.

To be fair, if a movie is a success in spite of a troubled production, the director is almost certainly going to get the credit. Basically I think we just here about it when someone (the director, the cast, the fans) is looking for someone to blame. One could argue that what happens in the MCU constitutes "studio interference" although I think the difference is Marvel has creative types working with directors and writers, where as true interference is studio executives thinking they know how to make movies. I'm fine with creative oversight by a studio for tentpoles (they are investing a lot of money) but I'm not a fan of suits who try to play armchair director.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I am a DC fan and I feel perfectly fine with what WB is doing.
10 years ago in this forum the most popular theory was that DC comics characters were done at cinema and good only for cheap TV series like smallville.
5 years ago the theory was updated and only Batman was considered spendable on the big screen, Green Lantern, Superman...all totally unable to cross the 200m mark at the domestic box Office.
Non we are discussing if a 870/880m sh movie could kill a brand.
Please...

You do realize BvS will be lucky if it breaks even right? For a tentpole blockbuster film that your entire shared inverse hinges on that is not good at all. This movie has done much more harm to their brand than anything. That's the whole thing with these collective universes is the GA has to trust the brand.As of right now, and BvS' numbers show this, that is not the case. SS and WW now have to really knock it out of the park and then JL will have to deliver among critics and fans alike. I don't think Snyder is capable of making that movie.

To be fair, if a movie is a success in spite of a troubled production, the director is almost certainly going to get the credit. Basically I think we just here about it when someone (the director, the cast, the fans) is looking for someone to blame. One could argue that what happens in the MCU constitutes "studio interference" although I think the difference is Marvel has creative types working with directors and writers, where as true interference is studio executives thinking they know how to make movies. I'm fine with creative oversight by a studio for tentpoles (they are investing a lot of money) but I'm not a fan of suits who try to play armchair director.

I just made the comment in the JL discussion thread that WB should've had the folks running the animated films or someone with vast knowledge and understanding of the characters in charge of the DC wing. Snyder is not that guy sadly. Essentially they need their own Feige, someone that can run the universe that the studio has faith will make sure things are done right. The studio execs are def not those people and when they see all the money BvS left on the table they go into panic mode because they don't have that person who is trusted to make sure things like this don't happen.

What folks tend to forget is Marvel Studios succeeds (for the most part) where WB fails because MS was started with the sole purpose of doing justice to the characters with their movies. They were tired of studio execs thinking they knew those characters.

WB is first and foremost a studio and until they find that right person to spearhead the DCCU and give him/her the keys to the kingdom inevitably these things are going to happen.

 

[Chesterfield]

I am a DC fan and I feel perfectly fine with what WB is doing.
10 years ago in this forum the most popular theory was that DC comics characters were done at cinema and good only for cheap TV series like smallville.
5 years ago the theory was updated and only Batman was considered spendable on the big screen, Green Lantern, Superman...all totally unable to cross the 200m mark at the domestic box Office.
Non we are discussing if a 870/880m sh movie could kill a brand.
Please...

When WB/DC invest close to half a $billion in making this movie and are failing to make more than $890million and is being critically butchered and the brand's reputation massacred, yeah, people are going to discuss it and be pessimistic about the films already in the pipeline.

 

[Avid Avenger]

Why do people defending this movie keep bringing up the current WW gross and ignoring the fact that it's actual profit from that is abysmal...that and the BO drops...and the critics...and audience reaction (divisive at the very best).....

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Maybe it wasnt a "failure" but come on definetely a massive dissapointment. Especially on the domestic side a B movie character with a R rating makes more or about the same as the most iconic hero trilogy of all time. Heres the real kicker imagine if Deadpool actually opened in china what would we be talking about then. Sorry maybe not a failure but certainly one of the worst dissapointments in movie history.

This.

 

[JB33]

When WB/DC invest close to half a $billion in making this movie and are failing to make more than $890million and is being critically butchered and the brand's reputation massacred, yeah, people are going to discuss it and be pessimistic about the films already in the pipeline.

Yep. Even Spider-Man 3, widely considered to be a bad movie in the vein of BvS, managed $890M and that was 9 years ago!

In fairness, Spider-Man 3 had a much higher RT score. It also had a lower audience score, though (51% vs 68% for BvS), so make of that what you will.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I'm still in a state of shock that BvS wont cross a billion. It just baffles me.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yep. Even Spider-Man 3, widely considered to be a bad movie in the vein of BvS, managed $890M and that was 9 years ago!

In fairness, Spider-Man 3 had a much higher RT score. It also had a lower audience score, though (51% vs 68% for BvS), so make of that what you will.

The long term attitude to BvS will probably largely similar to Spiderman 3.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I'm still in a state of shock that BvS wont cross a billion. It just baffles me.

Not me,

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Agree. And it's something even that ww BvS will finish ahead Lord of the Rings: the fellowship of the ring.

FOTR came out 15 years ago and had a budget of $93 million. Not a valid comparison at all.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Is this real?

 

[SomeOldGuy]

The "checkmate, hatters" line at the end makes me think not.