BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - - Part 16

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TASM 2 had a ton of product placement, mostly Sony stuff though

Product placement is a different thing, sure Sony did product placement and got some money, but I was mainly talking about the merch sales profits, Sony had already given up all their rights to get a part of profit from merch sales to Marvel, at the time of TASM 2.
 
Product placement is a different thing, sure Sony did product placement and got some money, but I was mainly talking about the merch sales profits, Sony had already given up all their rights to get a part of profit from merch sales to Marvel, at the time of TASM 2.

Batman, Superman and Spider-man sell merchandise regardless of movies being released or not, WB would keep getting money from merchandise sales irrespective of the movies they make, I wouldn't credit the money made from those directly to the movie
 
But, isn't movie related merchandise different from the regular merch ?
 
Batman, Superman and Spider-man sell merchandise regardless of movies being released or not, WB would keep getting money from merchandise sales irrespective of the movies they make, I wouldn't credit the money made from those directly to the movie

There is classic or evergreen merchandise (i.e. Batman logo tees), and there is film merchandise (i.e. BvS armored Batman action figure). Obviously anything film-specific is directly attributed to the film (duh), but classic merch also get a halo effect from a film release that year, this is a proven trend in this industry. The halo effect makes it more difficult to quantify merch profits for BvS specifically, but there are ways to estimate it.
 
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Internationally, BvS doesn't even make the top 10 grossing movies for 2016.

Domestically, probably 10th


Projected Top 21 For 2016 (Domestic)

1) Star Wars Rogue One - $600M
2) Civil War - $550M
3) Warcraft - $400
4) Dory - $390M
5) Deadpool - $362M
6) The Jungle Book - $350M
7) Independence Day 2 - $345M
8) Zootopia - $340M
9) Alice - $335M
10) Batman v Superman - $332M

11) Doctor Strange - $260M ($700M WW)
12) Suicide Squad - $255M
13) Jason Bourne - $250M
14) Star Trek Beyond - $240M
15) X-Men Apocalypse - $230M
16) Ninja Turtles 2 - $220M
17) Moana - $210M
18) Magnificent Seven - $200M
19) Fantastic Beasts - $190M
20) Ice Age - $180M
21) Ghostbusters - $170M
 
(Revised)

Internationally, BvS doesn't even make the top 10 grossing movies for 2016.

Domestically, probably 10th


Projected Top 21 For 2016 (Domestic)

1) Star Wars Rogue One - $600M
2) Civil War - $550M
3) Warcraft - $400
4) Dory - $390M
5) Deadpool - $362M
6) The Jungle Book - $350M
7) Independence Day 2 - $345M
8) Zootopia - $340M
9) Alice - $335M
10) Batman v Superman - $332M

11) Doctor Strange - $260M ($700M WW)
12) Suicide Squad - $255M
13) Jason Bourne - $250M
14) Star Trek Beyond - $240M
15) X-Men Apocalypse - $230M
16) Ninja Turtles 2 - $220M
17) Moana - $210M
18) Magnificent Seven - $200M
19) Fantastic Beasts - $190M
20) Ice Age - $180M
21) Ghostbusters - $170M

Interesting

I can't WAIT to see Dr. Strange. He was always one of my favorite characters from way back. Him and Thor. I really hope the script is good because they've got a terrific actor playing DS.

I don't know about Warcraft. That seems a little high to me. I could see BvS ending up as high as 8 or so.
 
I think Warcraft, ID:R, and Alice look too optimistic on that forecast, and Fantastic Beasts and X-Men are too conservative.
 
Just wondering can Warner bros afford to delay Justice League due to Batman V Superman's box office result? I mean they do need to make money within a certain period of time and most of their other big franchises are already over.
 
Just wondering can Warner bros afford to delay Justice League due to Batman V Superman's box office result? I mean they do need to make money within a certain period of time and most of their other big franchises are already over.

No, that's why JL is continuing production
 
Just wondering can Warner bros afford to delay Justice League due to Batman V Superman's box office result? I mean they do need to make money within a certain period of time and most of their other big franchises are already over.

They could but they won't as it would cost a lot of money (and rescheduling headaches) to delay production once they have started. They really should have set it's production date for this summer as they'd have had time then to come up with a backup plan (and accommodate a 'creative differences' exit plan for the designated Director).

As is, they have to run with what they have.
 
Just wondering can Warner bros afford to delay Justice League due to Batman V Superman's box office result? I mean they do need to make money within a certain period of time and most of their other big franchises are already over.

At this point they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
 
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My 2 cents, BvS is a disappointment but not a financial failure. It made a small profit in theatrical and all the other revenue streams are gravy. However, it's pretty clear WB expected this to perform over a billion. .

You're correct. It didn't hit the Avengers-type of benchmark that WB expected, but it's a long way from failure. Many of the film's online detractors are overstating BvS's meager shortfall because they don't like the creative direction that WB is taking with DC properties right now.
 
Yeah, I'd classify BvS as a box office disappointment, not a failure.

Still, it would make sense for WB to be concerned. If a poorly reviewed superman/batman movie that lost its legs after opening weekend could make this much money, imagine what a crowd pleaser featuring the same characters could do.
 
What in the world is WB doing with these budgets?!
 
I think $250 million is a reasonable budget for a tent pole featuring well-known characters that benefit from CG fight scenes. They needed to be more careful with who they trusted with that kind of budget though. I can't fathom why they're trusting Snyder with such a thing for the third time.
 
Sorry I was taken aback by Man of Steel's.
 
Remember they spent of 200 mill on GL?

Green Lantern and it's s***y SFX/CGI
 
You're correct. It didn't hit the Avengers-type of benchmark that WB expected, but it's a long way from failure. Many of the film's online detractors are overstating BvS's meager shortfall because they don't like the creative direction that WB is taking with DC properties right now.

I would say the fact that it didn't resonate with a majority of the general audience (as the weekend drops point to) makes it an uphill climb for the JL movie, which is also supposed to launch Flash and Cyborg. So WB has put themselves in the hole. If Wonder Woman is a massive hit I guarantee you she will be front and center of the JL marketing campaign.
 
I would say the fact that it didn't resonate with a majority of the general audience (as the weekend drops point to) makes it an uphill climb for the JL movie, which is also supposed to launch Flash and Cyborg. So WB has put themselves in the hole. If Wonder Woman is a massive hit I guarantee you she will be front and center of the JL marketing campaign.

Egads, perish the thought. :csad:
 
Unless WB decides to give us access to their P&Ls, nobody here will ever really know the full profitability of BvS.

In the absence of hard numbers, WB's changes to their scheduling (fewer small movies being released was an immediate after-effect once BvS BO numbers were locked in), movie director changes, reshoots, etc, give us a good idea of the actual profit being lower than expected, or at least a disappointing ROI. IMO the Flash director leaving over "creative differences" is the most telling, because it makes no sense if it's true they're keeping the script he wrote. If that rumour is true, then there's a lot more going on than what we're being told, and there will likely be further shakeups.

It's also interesting to just consider what WB expected to make from BvS in the leadup to making the film. Again, we have no hard numbers, but we can get an idea of this from several sources. The first is to actually crowdsource the numbers, and take the average of the predictions from different forums/threads/etc (although you would have to filter out the "2+ Billion!!" chest thumping that was happening). I think this comes out to around 1-1.2 billion, although I don't have all the data handy. Second is to consider how WB played chicken with BvS being in theaters on the Civil War release date, a threat which would only happen if they thought their box office clout was in the same league as the top MCU successes (or perhaps I should say, the same justice league as the MCU, *badoom swish* :woot:). Other things like the hiring of a big name actor in Ben Affleck and parading him in front of investors to please them, DC panelists disparaging the MCU movies during the lead-up to BvS, disrespecting and taking their own fans for granted, are all somewhat minor but interesting factors to consider. Lastly, remember the rather strict moratorium on reviews and the herculean "control the narrative" marketing that happened leading up to and during the opening weekend, which was unprecedented and honestly quite shocking for such a huge movie? That didn't come from out of nowhere, and it speaks to a studio suddenly forced to face reality and desperately trying to salvage what they can, without even worrying that they obviously appear desperate and scared to movie-goers, which is definitely not a good sign. It's serious business when a movie studio drops the mask and considers their image and public perception to be low priority.

Considering all these things, I think it's safe to say that WB had certainly budgeted for north of 1 billion BO revenue for this movie. There's simply no other way to interpret this behaviour. If they became overconfident in their brand and promised -- or worse, guaranteed -- an ROI for investors based on that budgeted amount, then they could definitely be in a bit of trouble as a result. I would argue that financial expectations are just as important as financial results in the business of super-hero movie franchises, because so much is being done to set up future ventures.
 
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Why did MOS do so poorly compared to other superhero movies overseas?
 
How accurate is that Profit's list? Because it has GOTG's budget at only 170
 
How accurate is that Profit's list? Because it has GOTG's budget at only 170

These are all estimates made by Deadline and Pacific Bridge Pictures, quoted by Rob Cain at Forbes. Basically industry experts' best guesses without having access to studio financials. The GotG budget matches what's shown on Box Office Mojo, maybe you saw a different number elsewhere? At the time Cain guessed BvS would gross $895m, the total cume will likely land around $870m-ish. So the profit should be around $10-12m lower than his $126m estimate, and lower than 30% ROI.
 
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