The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Gianakin_]

The thing is, nevermind if you liked that line or not and its general moral value within the film etc etc, Bruce said it to 1.tell Rachel who he was without giving a name in fron of the boy and 2.though he could've said many different lines and still made Rachel understand, that particular line was fitting because when he said it, he was showing/proving to her that "it was not who he was underneath......."

Maybe Goyer/Nolan did try too hard to put a "with great power..." equivalent, but once that decision was made, I think it worked very well.

 

[Leon the Professional]

Honestly? He really doesn't need to say anything there. He could easily have just looked into her eyes and struggled with it and not said a word. He's The Batman. He doesn't need to make a speech to get his point across, and he certainly doesn't need to steal someone else's words. If he has to say something, he could easily say something that wasn't already said earlier in the film. You can't just repeat Rachel's "lesson that Bruce didn't need to learn in the first place, he was just hiding behind a playboy veneer" and expect it to have any meaning on Bruce's end.

Again, I asked you to put aside the issue of whether or not he should reveal his identity to her. So saying Batman should have remained silent is not an option. If he is to reveal his identity to her at that moment, what should he say? Silence isn't going to accomplish that.

So please give a better line of dialogue. You say it should be something original on his part. Fine, I'm totally game for that. But give a concrete suggestion.

 

[regwec]

And that "underneath" line, well reqwek yours is bad, suitable for a chick-flick

Actually, it's okay. It's pretty minimal and utilitarian, but the fact that someone like you doesn't like it shows that it must have a certain quality; I don't think a Nolanist drone would bother to respond to it all if it was obviously inferior to the Goyerism.

 

[SheldonLevene]

This is an argument over a single line of dialouge in a movie that is three years old in a thread about the batsuit. The hype must truely be starved for new information.

 

[Sandouras]

The thing is, nevermind if you liked that line or not and its general moral value within the film etc etc, Bruce said it to 1.tell Rachel who he was without giving a name in fron of the boy and 2.though he could've said many different lines and still made Rachel understand, that particular line was fitting because when he said it, he was showing/proving to her that "it was not who he was underneath......."

Maybe Goyer/Nolan did try too hard to put a "with great power..." equivalent, but once that decision was made, I think it worked very well.

Me too, besides, batman's ethics in BB cant be put in one line like SM's. His ethics are shown when he talks to rachel at various times, when he realises what the league is doing and escapes, or when rhas confronts him in his house.

That line hardly sums up anything about him. But it sums up his acting as bruce wayne and the false image he is trying to show to throw off suspicion.

Also, imagine if this sort of situation happened in B&R and batman instead of saying "its not who i am...", saying the famous "what, are you dense? are you ******ed?........goddamn batman". That would redeem the film for me totally! If it had some parody in it.

 

[Boom]

"Nice ride."

 

[Gianakin_]

This is an argument over a single line of dialouge in a movie that is three years old in a thread about the batsuit. The hype must truely be starved for new information.

I know I am.

However, lines like this are important to characterisation and I can see why anyone who'd have a problem with it would make a big deal out of it.

 

[Leon the Professional]

I'd bet money that if Bale's delivery of that line were better people would have much less of a problem with it. What were he and Nolan thinking going with that take? He should have stood his ass up instead of squatting like a toad, speak with the same kind of voice as when he saved Rachel at the train station instead of that almost whiny voice, and not spend five seconds pronouncing "do."

 

[Gianakin_]

Me too, besides, batman's ethics in BB cant be put in one line like SM's. His ethics are shown when he talks to rachel at various times, when he realises what the league is doing and escapes, or when rhas confronts him in his house.

That line hardly sums up anything about him. But it sums up his acting as bruce wayne and the false image he is trying to show to throw off suspicion.

I don't think it sums up something, but I do believe it's a part of his whole characterisation. Besides, I happen to agree with what that line says.

On the whole, I disagree with the Guard's stance toward this particular writing technique. Like every technique, I think it has its uses when used wisely. I'm of the opinion that it was utilized well at that time.

 

[Sandouras]

Actually, it's okay. It's pretty minimal and utilitarian, but the fact that someone like you doesn't like it shows that it must have a certain quality; I don't think a Nolanist drone would bother to respond to it all if it was obviously inferior to the Goyerism.

Thank you for your good words.

Still dont change the fact that its a sobbery line to be delivered by jude law to the chick whose heart he broke!

And i dont consider it a goyerism. I think that this is nolan, okay, perhaps maybe even goyer trying to give a line similar to spiderman's from scratch (which was honed through all these years of comics, while batman never had one as his tag) and also to make this line a device for bruce to reveal his identity without saying "i'm bruce" or something sobbery like yours, but something, epic, poetic, etc. If they hit the target is for us to judge.

I for one like the method they choose for the revelation. And i like the line as well. Rachel had a misconception about bruce like everyone in gotham has, with the playboy persona he has. He fixed that in a more complex way that your mind can comprehend perhaps.

And if i am a nolan drone, that makes you a narrowminded Burton or anti-nolan drone. Everything in BB is bad and YOU KNOW ALREADY the same for TDK, because you are so sophisticated!

 

[SheldonLevene]

I'd bet money that if Bale's delivery of that line were better people would have much less of a problem with it. What were he and Nolan thinking going with that take? He should have stood his ass up instead of squatting like a toad, speak with the same kind of voice as when he saved Rachel at the train station instead of that almost whiny voice, and not spend five seconds pronouncing "do."

I agree 100%. For my money his Batman voice was at it's best when he saved Racheal at the monorail landing thing. It sounded quite off in the disputed scene. I am also of the mind that Batman should speak far less that he did in BB, but that isn't the argument.

 

[regwec]

I'd bet money that if Bale's delivery of that line were better people would have much less of a problem with it. What were he and Nolan thinking going with that take? He should have stood his ass up instead of squatting like a toad, speak with the same kind of voice as when he saved Rachel at the train station instead of that almost whiny voice, and not spend five seconds pronouncing "do."

You might be right. The line does sound like an idiot attempting to be profound. It could have played better if Bale had sounded more off-the-cuff, so that the corniness of the line at least sounded accidental.

 

[regwec]

Still dont change the fact that its a sobbery line to be delivered by jude law to the chick whose heart he broke

Nah- it just fulfills the dramatic purpose with a minimum of rhetorical verbeage. It's probably a bit dull, but it does the job without anyone vomiting.

something, epic, poetic,

or just really funny.

And if i am a nolan drone, that makes you a narrowminded Burton or anti-nolan drone. Everything in BB is bad and YOU KNOW ALREADY the same for TDK, because you are so sophisticated!

Actually, I like Nolan's Batfilms roughly as much as Burton's. I just don't profess to love or hate everything, which is really the only rational way to be, and certainly less narrowminded than assuming that Nolan's way is the only way!

 

[Gianakin_]

Actually, I like Nolan's Batfilms roughly as much as Burton's. I just don't profess to love or hate everything, which is really the only rational way to be, and certainly less narrowminded than assuming that Nolan's way is the only way!

This is just for clarification, not trying to provoke something:
Haven't you often stated/implied that Nolan being replaced would be a very good thing (not the exact words you've used)?

 

[regwec]

Yep, and I think it would. But that doesn't mean he is incompetent; just that another director might be more comfortable with the material.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yep, and I think it would. But that doesn't mean he is incompetent; just that another director might be more comfortable with the material.

Oh, ok. Thank you.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Yep, and I think it would. But that doesn't mean he is incompetent; just that another director might be more comfortable with the material.

What director would you want regwec? Just wondering.

 

[regwec]

Well, since Blade Runner has been such a huge influence on the visual flavour of Gotham over the last 20 years, I would love to see what Ridley Scott would bring to it. I would love to see a smaller scale Batfilm with a Coen influence. Then there are obvious shoe-ins like Michael Mann, Guillermo del Toro or David Fincher.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Cool. Alright off to the gym. goodbye fellas.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Actually, I like Nolan's Batfilms roughly as much as Burton's. I just don't profess to love or hate everything, which is really the only rational way to be, and certainly less narrowminded than assuming that Nolan's way is the only way!

i wish i could be like you! ! !

Burton & Nolan amalgamation would be IDEAL my friend...

 

[Mr. Socko]

I'd like to see a Batsuit done in the same fashion as Billy Zane's Phantom costume, in concept of'course

 

[batsone]

I'd like to see a Batsuit done in the same fashion as Billy Zane's Phantom costume, in concept of'course

hey man what u doin gettin this thread back on topic?

 

[Mercurius]

I'd like to see a Batsuit done in the same fashion as Billy Zane's Phantom costume, in concept of'course

Me too.

 

[gwynplaine]

I'd like to see a Batsuit done in the same fashion as Billy Zane's Phantom costume, in concept of'course

I hope they do "Mandrake the magician" some day.

 

[teseract]

it is ****ing brilliant and great filmmaking. Sorry if you don't get how film works. It's a certain style, and not for everything, but worked very well imo. I think it was a great way of him telling her that he was Bruce without blatantly saying it, while also clearly distinguishing it as a major theme of the film. I did hate some of the one-liners like the cop "At least tell me what it looks like..." I dont see how Nolan kept that in, but it was likely due to pacing and maybe he didnt shoot coverage for it.

Burton did it better in Batman Returns.