The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Crook]

Completely forgot about that. Indeed he did, and a lot subtler with more impact too.

 

[bunk]

If I were a billionaire, I'd be hiring professionals to make cool batsuits just to see what you could come up with given unlimited time and resources.

I'd also get drunk and burn down my mansion.

 

[Saint]

Completely forgot about that. Indeed he did, and a lot subtler with more impact too.

Absolutely.

 

[gwynplaine]

If I were a billionaire, I'd be hiring professionals to make cool batsuits just to see what you could come up with given unlimited time and resources.

I'd also get drunk and burn down my mansion.

Lol. Great avvy, Viggo is the man.

 

[Bnightwing]

I'd like to see a Batsuit done in the same fashion as Billy Zane's Phantom costume, in concept of'course

 

[Sandouras]

Completely forgot about that. Indeed he did, and a lot subtler with more impact too.

You mean telling Selina who he was? He wasnt in a hurry to fight ninjas there. He was trying to persuade her to stop that madness and go with him. He didnt just want to reveal his name. And if i remember correctly he too used a line that she had earlier told him. If someone remembers, please bring it up so we can compare.

If I were a billionaire, I'd be hiring professionals to make cool batsuits just to see what you could come up with given unlimited time and resources.

I'd also get drunk and burn down my mansion.

You re the man bunk!!

PS: what does vigo mean by that sign he is doing?

 

[Reflectionist]

You mean telling Selina who he was? He wasnt in a hurry to fight ninjas there. He was trying to persuade her to stop that madness and go with him. He didnt just want to reveal his name. And if i remember correctly he too used a line that she had earlier told him. If someone remembers, please bring it up so we can compare.
You re the man bunk!!

PS: what does vigo mean by that sign he is doing?

When they are on the roof as Batman and Catwoman, Batman says something like "Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it" and then Catwoman says "But a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it." And then later, at Shreck's ball, Selina and Bruce are dancing and then she looks up and sees some mistletoe, she says, "You know, mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it." and then, absent mindedly Bruce says "But a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it." and then they realize who they are.

And Selina says, "Oh my God.....does this mean we have to start fighting?"

First instance of the line........

Second instance of the line.........

And, what the hell, let's throw this in 'cause it's relevant.

 

[gwynplaine]

You mean telling Selina who he was? He wasnt in a hurry to fight ninjas there. He was trying to persuade her to stop that madness and go with him. He didnt just want to reveal his name. And if i remember correctly he too used a line that she had earlier told him. If someone remembers, please bring it up so we can compare.
You re the man bunk!!

PS: what does vigo mean by that sign he is doing?

I believe he is telling the old man that he is going to kill him. Viggo is a god.

 

[The Guard]

it is ****ing brilliant and great filmmaking.

You think that's "brilliant"? Hope you don't plan to be a filmmaker.

Sorry if you don't get how film works.

Sorry you think that repetitive nonsense is "clever".

Again, I asked you to put aside the issue of whether or not he should reveal his identity to her. So saying Batman should have remained silent is not an option. If he is to reveal his identity to her at that moment, what should he say? Silence isn't going to accomplish that.

I did put aside the issue of whether or not he should reveal his identity. He doesn't need to say anything to do it. Rachel knows her friend. If he lets down his guard for an instant, she'd see him there. Might actually have been a chance for some acting in that scene.

So please give a better line of dialogue.

"Better" is relative. Do you want something that "sounds better" as dialogue or something that doesn't feel so forced and planned? And it doesn't matter, because you clearly love the line and think it's brilliant, so nothing anyone could possibly say would satisfy you at this point, other than that line.

Hmm...

I don't mind the "Someone who cares about Gotham" line someone gave earlier, though not those exact words.

I'm also partial to "You know who I am" with some acting involved between them.

Something simple and direct, that doesn't sound like a preachy speech. Anything where an intelligent man doesn't feel the need to take Rachel's words for his own.

You might be right. The line does sound like an idiot attempting to be profound. It could have played better if Bale had sounded more off-the-cuff, so that the corniness of the line at least sounded accidental.

And for the record, I thought this method of screenwriting "reveal" was lazy in BATMAN RETURNS, too.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

once again let's get back on topic.... THIS IS THE BATSUIT THREAD we're supposed to be good little fanboys & gripe about how TDK suit sucks...

LET's get at it again

 

[Reflectionist]

To be honest, with the over-obviousness of some points on Batman Begins, I'm suprised he didn't turn around, pull off the cowl, and say "I'm Bruce Wayne, your childhood friend."

But maybe if Frank Miller had written it. "Age Twelve" Ring a bell to anyone?

And HEY, the TDK Suit does not suck. Don't knock it until you've seen it in action. No one was complaining about how it looked in the trailer. The only complaints are the ones from stock photos, which are hardly ever effected with the same effects as the film is (darkened, less contrast, bluescale, etc. etc.) And the ones that are, no one's complaining about.

You want to complain about a batsuit, complain about Michael Keaton's Wierd-shaped-**** in Batman Returns.

 

[gwynplaine]

once again let's get back on topic.... THIS IS THE BATSUIT THREAD we're supposed to be good little fanboys & gripe about how TDK suit sucks...

LET's get at it again

Lol.

 

[bunk]

Lol. Great avvy, Viggo is the man.

He really is the man... such a good actor.

You re the man bunk!!

Yes. Yes I am. Quick recap; Both Viggo and I are the man.

PS: what does vigo mean by that sign he is doing?

It's the scene before he gets his tonsils taken out, he's pretty excited about it.

I believe he is telling the old man that he is going to kill him. Viggo is a god.

Oh yeah... The tonsil surgery is part of the deleted scenes.

 

[Sandouras]

I saw that BR scene. Wow i had forgotten all about it. I thought it all happened right before bruce tore the cowl.
Anyway, it was the same concept and i think its even more forced cause it supposedly happened by chance! Come on.....

I don't mind the "Someone who cares about Gotham" line someone gave earlier, though not those exact words.

I'm also partial to "You know who I am" with some acting involved between them.

Something simple and direct, that doesn't sound like a preachy speech. Anything where an intelligent man doesn't feel the need to take Rachel's words for his own.

Letting his guard down would be quite good. "You know who i am" (the juggernaut bit**? lol) on the other hand is mediocre and simplistic. It sounds like a coward's answer to a girl. Like:
"Are you in love with someone?"
"You know who..."
Come on....

First of all its a movie and some things have to be 5% more dramatic than real life for our enjoyment and for passing a message. I enjoyed this line. Its like asking Ben Parker to do a 5 minute long speech like every parent does instead of saying the phrase "with great power comes....". Your parents would be talking to you for 5 hours about it, yet since its a film, we got the epic/heroic/COMIC line.

I suppose it all goes down to personal taste, but i always liked this sort of thing. How is that lazy? Lazy is "i am someone who cares about you" or "we used to play hide and seek before you grew boobies". That line perfectly matches the misconception people have about bruce being the stupid party boy and rachel still not being convinced of bruce's ethics. For the whole movie she is trying to show him the way and maybe use his means for a good cause.
With that line he shows that even when he was "swimming" he was acting. That this is what he "doooooooo" that defines him. That he got the message.

PS: I'd like to see reqwek's review of Burton's misiltoe.

 

[gwynplaine]

He really is the man... such a good actor.



Yes. Yes I am. Quick recap; Both Viggo and I are the man.



It's the scene before he gets his tonsils taken out, he's pretty excited about it.



Oh yeah... The tonsil surgery is part of the deleted scenes.[/quote]
Lolt: .

 

[Leon the Professional]

I did put aside the issue of whether or not he should reveal his identity. He doesn't need to say anything to do it. Rachel knows her friend. If he lets down his guard for an instant, she'd see him there. Might actually have been a chance for some acting in that scene.

Can you elaborate on this idea of letting her know by letting down his guard?

 

[The Shape]

You want to complain about a batsuit, complain about Michael Keaton's Wierd-shaped-**** in Batman Returns.

Thank you, someone else agrees with me. I complained about his chest piece in Returns and how it didn't quite look right, and everyone said the same thing. "It's art-deco, man. It fits with Gotham!"

 

[Sandouras]

Can you elaborate on this idea of letting her know by letting down his guard?

I suppose he means him looking a bit sad, his eyes almost watering and somehow showing that "HELLO? BRUCE HERE!!!!". Something like that. Though if rachel could see through the disguise, sooner or later someone would.

Thank you, someone else agrees with me. I complained about his chest piece in Returns and how it didn't quite look right, and everyone said the same thing. "It's art-deco, man. It fits with Gotham!"

And the nipples match with neon. So no need to complain there!

 

[Nepenthes]

"A kiss can be deadly if you mean it"................the best scene in Batman Returns

'It's what you dooooooo that defines you"......, thank GOD Jonah Nolan is working on TDK.

 

[Sandouras]

"A kiss can be deadly if you mean it"................the best scene in Batman Returns

'It's what you dooooooo that defines you"......, thank GOD Jonah Nolan is working on TDK.

Clearly the first one is cheesier, even if it were in BB.
The "doooo" thing is bale's fault. Other than that, i am sorry but its better than YOUR GOD BURTON!

 

[The Shape]

I really hate when people worship the Burton movies, and bash Nolan's, or vice versa. I love both. I think both directors represented Batman well, and I really can't bash either.

Each series has a different style and feeling, which is a good thing.

 

[WalterKovacs]

I really hate when people worship the Burton movies, and bash Nolan's, or vice versa. I love both. I think both directors represented Batman well, and I really can't bash either.

Each series has a different style and feeling, which is a good thing.

QFT

 

[Reflectionist]

Clearly the first one is cheesier, even if it were in BB.
The "doooo" thing is bale's fault. Other than that, i am sorry but its better than YOUR GOD BURTON!

No need to be offensive about Burton. Burton's films were just as valid as Nolan's are now. Except Burton's old hat and Nolan is the new guy and everyone loves the newest.

I agree that the line "it's not what I do that defines me" is a great line. Yes, very well scripted. I wish it could've been acted better by both parties, or under better circumstances, but it wasn't. That's what pulls me away from it. So, taking that as one factor, I'm going to say that the Bruce / Selina relationship in Returns and even the Bruce / Vicki relationship in Batman completely dominate Begins' relationship.

Another thing you have to realize is that Nolan and Burton are like apples and oranges. I enjoy both movies. I remember the Burton movies from my childhood and when I saw Begins, I was instantly hooked on Batman again, so it made sense to go back and revisit the films from my childhood. But now I'm in college, so I can notice a lot more about them, and have a better appreciation for those films as a work of fantasy and not just as a single Batman Story or some brainchild of a really dark noir-esque Director.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Why don't more people object to the new chest symbol?????

 

[Sandouras]

I really hate when people worship the Burton movies, and bash Nolan's, or vice versa. I love both. I think both directors represented Batman well, and I really can't bash either.

Each series has a different style and feeling, which is a good thing.

They were flawed like everything man will ever make. You cant please everyone. So people bash out at what they dont like and hope for improvements.

All in all, i think that people expect those movies to be too serious with realistic (and frankly boring) everyday dialogue. We have to remember that we are talking about movies here and many dramatic effects are used for various purposes. Bruce's "still havent given up on me" helps bond parts of the film together, but i think that it comes rather naturally as well. It only shows how water-eyed bruce is that alfred hasnt given up on him and instead go and butler a more sane person.

Other lines like "i gotta get me one of those" may sound a bit off. But they are there for a reason. To lighten up the atmosphere for a bit, to help the audience relax a bit and maybe even crack a smile. They dont spoil the movie if used correctly like "at least tell me how it looks like". After you leave the theatre you wont be remembering those lines, you will remember the general plot and things that amazed you about the movie. Those lines wont be remembered but they would have served their purpose of setting a lighter tone for 5 seconds so you can relax a bit, before the next scene.
Hasnt anyone of you studied ancient Greek theatre? They used those techniques (not nice coat, but specific milder scenes to relax before the next dramatic one) even then!

Clearly if you come out of the theatre whining about nice coat and not thinking about the freaking batmobile or the awesome cape scenes, then you re an idiot.
And if you nitpick about it now, then its because you havent got a girlfriend. Most people say "awesome movie" and move on. They dont spoil it by watching it on DVD in x0.5 speed and then going through all the dialogue 3 times.