The Dark Knight Rises Best versions of Bane!

[BatmanBeyond]

Right. He didn't. Ever. Show me one post where he got annoyed or lost his cool like certain others here did.



If you can showcase a post where he was taking it too seriously, getting upset or angry about it, then you can claim he was taking it too seriously. Just about every post he made was full of humor and enthusiasm. Not bitterness and anger.

Feel free to prove me wrong if you can.

Cool it down with the arrogance. Just because you're one of the veteran posters around here doesn't mean you're right about everything.

And you didn't actually read what I said. The mere fact that he took every single opportunity he could to manifest his hate for the movie indicates he took things seriously. It's not like it's been almost 2 full years since the movie was released and there he was a few days ago, as hateful as ever. It's the enthusiasm you guys praise him for - I just choose to look at it differently. The fact that he's taken a brake from the forums (or whatever) is actually a refreshing change.

But I'm obviously not expecting a fellow TDKR hater, not to mention one who would high-five milost at every opportunity, to actually accept a negative view about him. This argument is starting to feel as circular as a TDKR debate around here, so I'll stop.

 

[The Joker]

Cool it down with the arrogance. Just because you're one of the veteran posters around here doesn't mean you're right about everything.

Of course not. But in this case I am. If someone is going to be slandered in public for something, then it should be true and justified. He gets accused of trolling daily here when he's not. If he was he'd have been banned by now, or at least put on probation several times like Anno and other formerly banned trolls have been. If he was taking this too seriously he'd have lost the head at least once or twice with someone here by now, called someone a name or two, or gotten into a flame war.

None of the above has ever happened. Not that I've ever seen. That's why I said if you have seen otherwise, then post it and prove me wrong.

And you didn't actually read what I said. The mere fact that he took every single opportunity he could to manifest his hate for the movie indicates he took things seriously.

That is what Shauner said. I'll say to you what I said to him; that is totally untrue and you know it. If that were true every single positive post in the place would have milost all over it arguing with it.

He did not take every opportunity to hate on the movie. Not even close. But again if any of you have proof of otherwise then show it. Because I can show plenty of positive posts that he never touched.

It's not like it's been almost 2 full years since the movie was released and there he was a few days ago, as hateful as ever. It's the enthusiasm you guys praise him for - I just choose to look at it differently. The fact that he's taken a brake from the forums (or whatever) is actually a refreshing change.

The only reason he took a break is because for the first time since he's joined here someone unjustly accused him of trolling. That's why he upped sticks and left. He doesn't want to be seen as a trouble maker. Whereas a real troll wouldn't give a toss about something like that.

But I'm obviously not expecting a fellow TDKR hater, not to mention one who would high-five milost at every opportunity, to actually accept a negative view about him.

That's an easy game to play. I could also flip that around and say that the TDKR lovers (you and Shauner) are the only ones persecuting him unjustly because you hated seeing a movie you love get criticized so regularly.

Now look at someone like Anno Domini, a real troll who got probation several times and eventually banned, and someone funnily enough I never recall seeing the likes of you and Shauner running into at all in all his years here because he was a TDKR champion.

Funny how that works isn't it.

This argument is starting to feel as circular as a TDKR debate around here, so I'll stop.

Suit yourself.

 

[BatLobster]

milost was just a very opinionated guy, God bless'm. He was as opinionated about other people's opinions as he was about the movie.

For instance, he once implied that people who liked TDKR are just "cool with mediocrity":

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27790965&postcount=32

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27791221&postcount=38

I called him out on it, and he didn't even back down from it, he just basically said "Well, what else is there to say?". He defended his point calmly and civilly so he gets points there, but I still believe that it's the exact inverse of me saying something like "You just don't get it!" or "You can't appreciate greatness!". Only if I said that, I'd be seen as a big bad Nolanite and I probably would get C. Lee's attention. He HATES that kind of talk where people insult one another's taste or say their opinions are wrong. And I don't blame him, it's uncalled for.

Other examples were him getting really frustrated with me because I'd compare TDKT to other generational touchstones like Star Wars. It drove him nuts that myself and others would do that. He strongly resisted the notion of the three movies being one entity, and he clearly was bothered by people who looked at them that way.

I'm not trying to slander or besmirch milost here though, I think it's honorable that he's bowing out gracefully and it must be hard to watch us all talk about him without being able to defend himself. I'm just saying, he certainly had his "moments" where he either stepped out of bounds or close to it. He wasn't perfect, these were very heated debates we had and I think everyone was getting pretty passionate and personally invested in it a lot of the time. It's the only way to explain how we managed to spend all this time debating the same things over and over.

 

[The Joker]

milost was just a very opinionated guy, God bless'm. He was as opinionated about other people's opinions as he was about the movie.

For instance, he once implied that people who liked TDKR are just "cool with mediocrity":

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27790965&postcount=32

I called him out on it, and he even said "Well, what else is there to say?". The thing is, this is the exact inverse of me saying something like "You just don't get it!" or "You can't appreciate greatness!". Only if I said that, I'd be seen as a big bad Nolanite and I'd be sure to get C. Lee's attention.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27791221&postcount=38

Other examples were him getting really frustrated with me because I'd compare TDKT to other generational touchstones like Star Wars. It drove him nuts that myself and others would do that. He strongly resisted the notion of the three movies being one entity, and he clearly was bothered by people who looked at them that way.

Oh come now he wasn't the only one there who thought the notion of comparing the TDK trilogy to Star Wars was ridiculous:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27794257&postcount=62

 

[BatLobster]

Already edited my post to include his response Joker. My point stands though, he was as opinionated about other people's opinions as much as he was about anything in the movie. It was clear as day.

The Star Wars thing went much deeper than just a simple comparison. I constantly said they're not comparable in terms of being cultural phenomenons or in terms of being revolutionary to cinema, but I always said "for me personally, it was as close as I've ever felt to something that huge, given that I wasn't alive for the original Star Wars". It never mattered though, he'd still give me grief for that. Which, again, fine. That's his opinion. But what should it matter to him if I hold TDKT in a high regard personally and call it "my Star Wars". That is not the same as saying "It was the 2000s Star Wars", not at all. This is just one instance where he clearly allowed himself to be bothered by a harmless little opinion. Which again, doesn't make him a troll or anything. But it does show that he had his moments just like everyone else when it got personal for him. Being a child of the 80s and all, he just clearly hated the notion of people comparing the two things in any way. That's getting personal.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

The only reason he took a break is because for the first time since he's joined here someone unjustly accused him of trolling. That's why he upped sticks and left. He doesn't want to be seen as a trouble maker. Whereas a real troll wouldn't give a toss about something like that.

Unjustly? Purposefully trying to rile TDKR fans up saying stuff like "Bane was a little ****" is mightily close to trolling, if you ask me. But I never accused him of trolling, so don't put words in my mouth. I just didn't really enjoy his style as a poster, whereas you did, which is the crux of the matter and why I believe this argument is bound to go in circles as well.

That's an easy game to play. I could also flip that around and say that the TDKR lovers (you and Shauner) are the only ones persecuting him unjustly because you hated seeing a movie you love get criticized so regularly.

Now look at someone like Anno Domini, a real troll who got probation several times and eventually banned, and someone funnily enough I never recall seeing the likes of you and Shauner running into at all in all his years here because he was a TDKR champion.

Funny how that works isn't it.

First of all, I've stated quite a few times that I have my own problems with TDKR. So cut it out with the assumptions. If I'd really have a problem with people voicing their criticisms of TDKR, I'd enthusiastically counter every single valid criticism, but I don't think I've ever done that. What I've done and I believe my post history proves it, is get involved whenever I'd feel that the criticism would be entering extremist territory.

And also, persecuting him? Really? The only times I've directly responded to some of his posts was in order to call him out on his BS, whenever I've felt he went overboard. And again, that's my opinion.

If you ask me, Anno was the pro-TDKR version of milost. Certainly, you have to admit that he was just as enthusiastic. I did think he went overboard quite a few times, much like I think of milost. But I can't really remember myself ever high-fiving Anno as you do milost, so that comparison doesn't hold water at all.

And speaking of Anno, let's not pretend the TDKR detractors around here don't love to voice their less than flattering opinions about him now that he's gone.

 

[The Joker]

Already edited my post to include his response Joker. My point stands though, he was as opinionated about other people's opinions as much as he was about anything in the movie. It was clear as day.

Yeah opinionated. Being opinionated isn't trolling.

The Star Wars thing went much deeper than just a simple comparison. I constantly said they're not comparable in terms of being cultural phenomenons or in terms of being revolutionary to cinema, but I always said "for me personally, it was as close as I've ever felt to something that huge, given that I wasn't alive for the original Star Wars". It never mattered though, he'd still give me grief for that.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27791635&postcount=42

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah opinionated. Being opinionated isn't trolling.

Did I say it was? No. I just specifically said that it wasn't. Like three times already. I'm talking about instances where he was clearly taking other people's opinions personally. That's what was being discussed.

The fact that he admitted he was kind of wrong to say that is cool. That's why I was able to get along with milost at the end of the day. But it was still an ongoing pattern. Just because he was willing to back off when he crossed the line doesn't mean that he never crossed it in the first place.

 

[Shikamaru]

If milost was a troll, he would have been gone long ago. In my whole career on the SHH, I left only a single troll post and it was enough to put me on probation. Milost wouldn't consistently get away with multiple troll posts for 2 years without being spotted by a mod.

 

[The Joker]

Unjustly? Purposefully trying to rile TDKR fans up saying stuff like "Bane was a little ****" is mightily close to trolling, if you ask me.

What makes you think he was trying to rile up fans by saying that? If he just went into a thread, said that one line, and left, that would a clear attempt at provoking someone and trolling.

No he elaborated on his point of view, and with pictures, too: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27968579&postcount=28

That's someone explaining their opinion, not attempting to rile anyone.

But I never accused him of trolling, so don't put words in my mouth. I just didn't really enjoy his style as a poster, whereas you did, which is the crux of the matter and why I believe this argument is bound to go in circles as well.

I didn't say you called him a troll. Only Shauner did that. I said you were persecuting his style of posting as something it's not.

First of all, I've stated quite a few times that I have my own problems with TDKR. So cut it out with the assumptions.

Again I never said otherwise. Did I say you called it flawless or perfect? No. I said you were a TDKR lover. You do love the movie don't you?

If I'd really have a problem with people voicing their criticisms of TDKR, I'd enthusiastically counter them at every turn, but I don't really think I've ever done that.

Again I never said you did have a problem with people doing it, just like I said milost never did with people saying they love it otherwise he'd have been countering them at every turn, too.

And also, persecuting him? Really? The only times I've directly responded to some of his posts was in order to call him out on his BS, whenever I've felt he went overboard. And again, that's my opinion.

I'm talking about here and now. Hopping on the bandwagon here accusing him of things are just not true.

If you ask me, Anno was the pro-TDKR version of milost. Certainly, you have to admit that he was just as enthusiastic. I did think he went overboard quite a few times, much like I think of milost. But I can't really remember myself ever high-fiving Anno as you do milost, so that comparison doesn't hold water at all.

It's got nothing to do with "high fiving" him. I'm talking about how you and as far as I can recall (feel free anyone to prove me wrong on this) any pro TDKR fan here ever having any run ins with him at all. Why? Because he was pro TDKR. It was the ones who disagreed with him that ended up on the receiving end of his venom.

Whereas with milost, he has never so much as had an infraction against him as far as I know. No stint on probation. Not even a mod stepping into a thread and telling him to cool down.

And speaking of Anno, let's not pretend the TDKR detractors around here don't love to voice their less than flattering opinions about him now that he's gone.

Nobody was shy of voicing what they thought of Anno when he was around. It's partially why he got into so much trouble. He was always in flame wars.

 

[BatLobster]

I think milost was the opposite of a troll to be honest. I think he just genuinely hated the movie so much that sometimes it clouded his better judgment and caused him to post some outrageous things that inevitably fired everyone up.

milost if you're reading, sorry for participating in this elongated discussion about you without you here to defend yourself. It's starting to feel a bit less than cool. So I'm cutting myself off here.

 

[Green Goblin]

I actually liked Anno even though he was a dick on the Spider-Man boards.

He would always drop something negitave about TASM, acceptable if it was the right thread but it was the TASM2 general discussion (didn't hate it, he called it a fine crowd pleasing film).

Eventually everyone realised his off switch was just talking s*** about TDKR.

 

[Shikamaru]

If you ask me, Anno was the pro-TDKR version of milost. Certainly, you have to admit that he was just as enthusiastic. I did think he went overboard quite a few times, much like I think of milost.

Anno brought up TDKR everywhere. You couldn't say anything TDKR-related in the same thread as him without turning the whole place into a TDKR rant (see the Spider-Man forums). You would write any big paragraph where you would slightly bring up TDKR, he would spot it and then the whole thread discussion would change until a mod would show up and tell people to get back on topic.

I am not exaggerating. Once in the Arkham Origins thread, I brought up something regarding the similarities between the game's batsuit and the Nolan batsuit. Next thing you show? Shazam! Whole thread became a long rant on Nolan, thanks to Anno. People had to state twice to "get that Nolan stuff out of here".

I know I said that I missed him back when he got banned but looking back on it now, I don't know what I was smoking by making such statement.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

I didn't say you called him a troll. Only Shauner did that. I said you were persecuting his style of posting as something it's not.

That's your opinion. It's clear we feel the opposite.

I'm talking about here and now. Hopping on the bandwagon here accusing him of things are just not true.

Again, not accusing him of anything. Just voicing my opinion on his style of posting, which to be honest, I think is in accordance with how I responded to his posts when he was here. He was called out on the "Bane was a little ****" comment when he was still on the forums as well, and not by myself, so it's not like I'm the only one who views that comment as such.

But, seriously, let's stop.

 

[ganon51]

Can we stop with the milost worshipping already and get back on topic?!

 

[shauner111]

Arkham Origins Bane is pretty damn cool. It makes the other games look like a joke when it comes to Bane.

 

[Tequilla]

Arkham Origins Bane is pretty damn cool. It makes the other games look like a joke when it comes to Bane.

I don't know. Outside of them trying to tie him with a little bit of Nolan's militaristic approach , he's the same monster of the week he's always has been. Sorta irrelevant fodder , outside a few issues.

Off course not looking completely ridiculous/deformed throughout the all game , already makes it look better than most.

 

[shauner111]

He's not my favorite version but i just think he's way better than Asylum and City.

 

[Tequilla]

From Lebron's instagram . He knows what's the good Bane version t:

 

[ganon51]

I don't know. Outside of them trying to tie him with a little bit of Nolan's militaristic approach , he's the same monster of the week he's always has been. Sorta irrelevant fodder , outside a few issues.

Off course not looking completely ridiculous/deformed throughout the all game , already makes it look better than most.

He was the biggest threat to him in that game though, almost killing Alfred, knowing his identity and beating the ever loving crap out of Batman. Tell me you weren't scared when he injected himself with TN-1 and you had to hide and ambush him. Sadly he became the musclebound idiot afterwards

 

[Kane52630]

No matter what they tell you, Mr. Bane, it is the size of your gun that counts.

 

[The Derp Knight]

My ranking:

1. Arkham Origins
2. Young Justice
3. DCAU

I go back on forth on whether I prefer Bane with an exposed mouth. It definitely works in animation and in the Arkham games but with a covered mouth he does look scarier. I'd like to see a good mashup of the TDKR Bane mask (which I thought was a creative translation of the comic look) and the Origins mask.

 

[ganon51]

My ranking:

1. Arkham Origins
2. Young Justice
3. DCAU

I go back on forth on whether I prefer Bane with an exposed mouth. It definitely works in animation and in the Arkham games but with a covered mouth he does look scarier. I'd like to see a good mashup of the TDKR Bane mask (which I thought was a creative translation of the comic look) and the Origins mask.

Origins had the perfect Bane for sure

 

[AnneFan]

Origins had the perfect Bane for sure

He was brilliant. It's how I like Bane to be. A beast in combat, discovers Bruce's identity and takes the fight to his doorstep. I like how he is a military man, too, using the rocket launcher.

The closer a Bane is to Knightfall, the better. He's one of the best Batman villains when handled that way. Knightfall, Origins and DCAU are my top selections.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Origins had the perfect Bane for sure

Except for the voice.