Bought Thought 10/22/08

Both SI and FC have been lackluster IMO. So the one week I don't pick them up, you mugs say both were great?

GET THE *&%^ OUT! That's so unfair!

Oh well, download, then buy. Too late to go get them now (It's midnight where I am).
 
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Much ado is made about Hood's crew being the only major assemblance of power where the Skrulls had no sleeper agent.

Only, they did. The Slug. Who Hood exposes with Magic Vision and kills. So what was the big to-do about infiltrating them when they already had? Idiot Skrulls.

There was a mention that the Slug was switched AFTER the failed attempt to switch out Madam Masque. So that part is actually explained.
 
That's really not the same as being the Sorcerer Supreme, though I wouldn't be shocked if no one at Marvel remembers or cares about that.

I doubt he'll be the actual sorcerer supreme but dormammu created satanish from nothing so he could grant a pretty high level of power and ability if he wanted with ease.

Does anyone think (and I'm probably streaching here) that the real reason the hood was able to get his crew (guys that basically hate each other and would never be lead by a small timer) because dormammu pulled some strings and influenced them? I'm not saying this is definately where it's going but it's possible and would actually account for some of the irregularities.
 
Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #2: My shop sold out of this really quickly and I missed this last week, so I picked up a copy from the re-order this week. It was good. I didn't want to like the original Legion because I'm more familiar with Waid's, but Johns is doing a good job of making me like them in spite of that. Not too interested in Sodam Yat, but if Johns is setting up a big showdown with the characters Superboy Prime has had major fights with before, I can see how his involvement would be required. An ending that consists of Superman, Sodam Yat, Bart Allen, Conner Kent, and Captain Atom kicking Prime's ass around would be a dream come true, even if I'm mostly indifferent to Yat, but I doubt I'll get to see it given the redemption thing. My only real problem was with Waid's Brainiac at the end. His dialogue makes him sound like some kind of adult-phobic moron, which is a total mischaracterization of what Waid's Legion was about. They're a youth movement trying to reinvigorate future generations after modern society evolved to the point of becoming stagnant. They have more political leanings than the other Legions (or they did under Waid; I don't know what Shooter's doing with them), but they're not adult-hating wackos. In spite of that, though, the Brainiacs' argument at the end was funny and the rest of the book was solid. I'm looking forward to finally seeing who pops out of the lightning rod this time around.
 
Yea just because Dormannu is the source of Hoods power doesn't mean he would be the Sorcerer Supreme. But atleast Strange has a threat on earth that could actually give him a challenge

Yeah as long as Bendis doesn't write the fight.
 
Hey, for those of us who don't follow it, could one of you give a nutshell version of Final Crisis, and whether you think the trade would be worth picking up. I only get Booster Gold, and the Blue Beetle trades from time to time. Would the casual fan be lost?
 
I doubt he'll be the actual sorcerer supreme but dormammu created satanish from nothing so he could grant a pretty high level of power and ability if he wanted with ease.

Does anyone think (and I'm probably streaching here) that the real reason the hood was able to get his crew (guys that basically hate each other and would never be lead by a small timer) because dormammu pulled some strings and influenced them? I'm not saying this is definately where it's going but it's possible and would actually account for some of the irregularities.


Thats what I thought, it would explain a lot.
 
Does anyone think (and I'm probably streaching here) that the real reason the hood was able to get his crew (guys that basically hate each other and would never be lead by a small timer) because dormammu pulled some strings and influenced them? I'm not saying this is definately where it's going but it's possible and would actually account for some of the irregularities.

If it was any other writer besides Bendis I would say it was very possible.
 
Yeah, all this makes me think is: "I wonder if Bendis actually knows anything about Dormammu or if he just figured, 'Hood's being controlled by someone and this guy looks cool.'"
 
Hey I wasn't saying this was planned out that way, but I have to give the devil his due and admit the possibility that some of the irregularities have an actual (and rather good if true) explaination. Maybe he did his research and actually figured out the one guy in the MU who could boss doom and loki around (hell mephisto too for that matter) and not have it be completely out of character (writer's note: I still hate bendis though, one good dead does not make up for House of M).
 
I was also thinking of the new Sorcerer Supreme replacing Dr. Strange during Dark Reign and the impression Marvel has been giving with Dark Reign is that the villains will be taking the powerful positions in the Marvel Universe such as possibly Norman Osborne being the next Director of SHIELD and whatnot.

The Hood being powered by Dorammamu as Sorcerer Supreme doesn't sound very far fetched with that thinking. It also gives him a better reason to be in the Dark Illuminati than being the new Kingpin.
Right, that's what I mean, there's a lot more to being the Sorcerer Supreme than being powerful, but it wouldn't surprise me if Marvel just disregards that in order to tell whatever "cool" story they want.
 
Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #2: My shop sold out of this really quickly and I missed this last week, so I picked up a copy from the re-order this week. It was good. I didn't want to like the original Legion because I'm more familiar with Waid's, but Johns is doing a good job of making me like them in spite of that. Not too interested in Sodam Yat, but if Johns is setting up a big showdown with the characters Superboy Prime has had major fights with before, I can see how his involvement would be required. An ending that consists of Superman, Sodam Yat, Bart Allen, Conner Kent, and Captain Atom kicking Prime's ass around would be a dream come true, even if I'm mostly indifferent to Yat, but I doubt I'll get to see it given the redemption thing. My only real problem was with Waid's Brainiac at the end. His dialogue makes him sound like some kind of adult-phobic moron, which is a total mischaracterization of what Waid's Legion was about. They're a youth movement trying to reinvigorate future generations after modern society evolved to the point of becoming stagnant. They have more political leanings than the other Legions (or they did under Waid; I don't know what Shooter's doing with them), but they're not adult-hating wackos. In spite of that, though, the Brainiacs' argument at the end was funny and the rest of the book was solid. I'm looking forward to finally seeing who pops out of the lightning rod this time around.

Solid book actually, all the props to Johns for making me interested in the version of the League I don't care about.

But spot on about Waid's Brainiac characterisation it's was well off.

I read Final Crisis #4 and then SI#7, the comparison between the two made SI read like Marvel Adventure title. It's a whole different class of writing.
 
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Having Dormammu's powers have allowed Hood to mystically influence all the villains would make sense, but this is Bendis. He's almost never cared enough about any character to get them right or accurate in a story. He is a writer who has a story in mind and the characters are meant to fulfill roles in it; whether it is organic or whether it requires shoving square pegs in round holes appear irrelevant. Until Bendis specifically states that theory, it is just that; theory.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Sorcerer Supreme was just "the most powerful mage". Marvel is fudgy with magic. One moment they lambaste the genre for being too easily maintained via plot holes or deus ex machina writing, and the next they exploit it for exactly those reasons, when neither are what make magic work. Dr. Strange is going through another lull period and Hood is Bendis' new favorite toy. Expect everyone to tow the line.

I mean there is a way to make Hood being Dormammu's newest servant work and be interesting, but Bendis' entire mantra these days is: GREAT IDEA, ****-TASTICALLY TERRIBLE EXECUTION. If you can't execute a good idea, it is little better than a poor one.
 
You know what my main fear about dark reign is? Look over the big bads assembled and you'll notice the two women are loki and white queen. Now we know bendis cannot write a story without making someone an irrational super-***** with all the powah's immaginable and I'm pretty scared that's gonna be loki.
 
I think you could pretty much say that the villians following Hood because of Dormannus influence is pretty much fact. I dont need Bendis to spell it out, the problem is like everybody else has said, its the execution and what he does from here. Dormannu is why they follw the Hood, ****ty thing is that Bendis will more than likely **** eveything else up around that great idea, like have Hood become the new SS.
 
If Marvel is seriously going to use Dormammu as an excuse as to why Dr. Doom, Loki, White Queen, Norman Osborn are following the Hood, I never want to read Joe Q complaining about the lack of "rules" to magic again, when he's exploited it to end a marriage and now possibly this.

I'm not looking forward to "an event in everything but name", Dark Reign. I've seen a few years of stories like that already. Grim, depressing, and bleak is hardly new. A world that can't trust Steve Rogers anymore and called him a terrorist as he died on the street SERIOUSLY is going to trust Norman Osborn? Ugh.

And the answer of, "DC did it with Luthor" doesn't fly. Marvel is supposed to be about doing what DC doesn't, not about ripping off their ideas 5 years too late.

The inability to execute ideas properly is why I have felt for years that Bendis might find more success as an editor than as a writer, but he's consistantly stated he doesn't want that job, and I'll take him for his word there. Considering his ability to lie in his customer's faces, the EIC is all his whenever he wants it. :)
 
When people talk about the White Queen, do they mean Courtney Ross/Saturnyne/Sat-Yr-9/whoever the hell this blonde b**** is supposed to be these days?
 
I think they mean Emma. But who knows.
 
Hey, for those of us who don't follow it, could one of you give a nutshell version of Final Crisis, and whether you think the trade would be worth picking up. I only get Booster Gold, and the Blue Beetle trades from time to time. Would the casual fan be lost?

VERY watered down...

The New Gods are all dead, and the fourth world is dead. The fifth world is gestating, and the Gods are now using human bodies while new ones are created for them.

Darkseid is being reborn and attacking the world through the anti-matter life equation. It's been injected into the world through a virus and a computer virus, and the whole world is now total anarchy. MANY superheroes have fallen and are fighting for Darkseid now.

There is also a mysterious figure named Libra, who seems to be doing the work of Darkseid, and has killed the Martian Manhunter. He also seems to be able to repel the Spectre.

In the meantime, Barry Allen (The Flash) has been recreated out of thin air, and seems to know part of what is going on. His Rogues have told Libra to F off and are doing their own thing. The rest of the heroes are gathering under Alan Scott to fight back.

That's a pretty watered down picture.
 
And the answer of, "DC did it with Luthor" doesn't fly. Marvel is supposed to be about doing what DC doesn't, not about ripping off their ideas 5 years too late.
At least with Luthor, he wasn't a convicted criminal and the general public saw him as a good person especially thanks to what he did in No Man's Land.
 
Hey I wasn't saying this was planned out that way, but I have to give the devil his due and admit the possibility that some of the irregularities have an actual (and rather good if true) explaination. Maybe he did his research and actually figured out the one guy in the MU who could boss doom and loki around (hell mephisto too for that matter) and not have it be completely out of character (writer's note: I still hate bendis though, one good dead does not make up for House of M).

Your optimism is admirable.

At least with Luthor, he wasn't a convicted criminal and the general public saw him as a good person especially thanks to what he did in No Man's Land.

Even moreso than that Luthor had been generally characterized for the last two decades or so as the guy who keeps his hand just clean enough and does just enough legitimate good to get away with ****, so the presidential thing was a natural progression.
 
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At least with Luthor, he wasn't a convicted criminal and the general public saw him as a good person especially thanks to what he did in No Man's Land.

True. Hence why not everything can be comparable across companies.
 

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