Comics Boycotting Spider-Man

[shinlyle]

Well, it's not like we're all on the edge of our seats with excitement waiting for the next issue.

Off topic: I just read your sig and saw your avvy. Congrats on the baby, shin. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

Yeah, right now, it's like waiting to see the outcome of a car wreck. We know it's going to be ugly, and we KNOW we're going to be upset by it, but we have to know. No one is like, "OMG! I cannot WAIT until OMD part 4 comes out! This is awesome! I love throwing my money to Marvel about a storyline that the writer even hates!"

As for the little one, well, We find out whether it's a boy or a girl next week! I can't wait! we've already got names picked out and everything!

 

[Captivated]

Already dropped it on OMD #2.

-Sins Past was the first straw
-The Other was the second. At this point I dropped Friendly and Sensational.
-Didn't really hate the unmasking too much, but I didn't like how it happened. Peter would never do it willingly. None the less the 3rd straw, but continued reading based on hope.
-BIB almost kept me interested, but OMD was like a killing blow to my love of the comic.
-Also the organtic web shooters were a contributing factor in this, aswell.

I feel the same way... (except for the organic web shooter, which I rather liked.)

I've made no secret of the fact that OMD is a killing blow for me. I've already quit.

Moments like these are ICONIC... made me smile... made even sucky stories like Sins Past almost tolerable...

Spoiler

Distroying all this... I'm BEYOND mad. And there is NO WAY I'm supporting what JQ is dong, now or later. No uncertainty. No wavering.

 

[Infidel]

The unmasking. How bad is it, they do the one big thing with the character and completely throw it away. I didn't care about Civil War, it was bad to begin with, but I wanted a story about Spider-man, not a story about Spidey, twenty other book, and just two other characters that had to be in the book. I wanted JOnah, Robbie, Etc.

Yeah, it was done poorly to begin with, he'd never get unmasked that way.

 

[dbzking]

I'm doing the opposite i'm just joining the titles now I used to collect the UK comics which are 2 years behind the US titles but now i've ditched them and now collect the trades of all the latest spidey titles

I've yet to read any of OMD so I cannot judge the story just yet but I will get the trade when it's out

 

[farmernudie]

I've yet to read any of OMD so I cannot judge the story just yet but I will get the trade when it's out

That's gonna be about the lowest selling spidey tpb ever (OMD) when it comes out eventually, since even those that are "ok" with the marriage being plundered aren't too fond of how cheesily they're doing it right now in OMD. Even the writer doesn't want his name on the thing. MAybe they'll get JMS to do the foreward (joking!) and he can go into MORE detail about why he doesn't like the story. (As if anyone needs to explain why it is wonky-it is quite obvious....JQ!!!)

Who is gonna want to re-read the lamest rendition of Mephisto ever? The poor guy is being treated like a joke of a character here.

And the whole thing has to be one of the most hearltess spidey stories i've ever read, and frankly, it makes no sense with ANY of the characters, and isn't a "story". It is merely a DEVICE to achieve no marriage and a hip single Peter (again!)

It is sad that many of us fans are thrown under the bus (with spidey comics right now and the forseeable future). There are no choices at all, if we want to read the spidey we "want"...and not the one JQ is force-feeding everyone.

I don't consider myself "boycotting" Spidey tho. He is still my favorite, and always will be.....it's jsut his new stuff that will be avoided...

i will just choose to read OTHER comics where some actual thought has been put into them and the characters aren't moved from point to point like dummies...or chess pieces.
That's all spidey is currently is Tinker Toy set that JQ is having fun experimenting with right now....building some sort of monster...that does NOT look like spidey, that i know, at all.

Thankfully there are still some good OLDER tpb's to buy...so i can enjoy my favorite character that way until the RETCON of OMD and BND comes around...which it will. Just too bad we have to waste time going off in this anti-marraige fairy direction.

 

[Traveller]

Distroying all this... I'm BEYOND mad.

Classic moments are great but JMS's Mary Jane was very poor. Always "I love you so much, Peter" and that's it.
So I voted the "No".

 

[Captivated]

I've been checking for more Essential releases... It's disappointing that none are on the horizon. I'm also waiting with happy anticipation to see what the new team is going to do with Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane.

I plan on reading more Spider-Man... Just not going to be supporting in anyway the distruction of the marriage.

I do plan on buying USED versions of OMD and BND, putting them through a shredder and sending them back to Marvel with a scathing commentary. I'm looking forward to having fun with that... t:

 

[Captivated]

Classic moments are great but JMS's Mary Jane was very poor. Always "I love you so much, Peter" and that's it.
So I voted the "No".

Are you joking? I wager there is more dialog between MJ and Peter in the panels I posted than you will take time to read.

 

[Themanofbat]

Are you joking? I wager there is more dialog between MJ and Peter in the panels I posted than you will take time to read.

Settle down ma'am...

Traveller is a well respected long-time Spider-Man reader from Eastern Europe, and it's his opinion that he believes that. While you may disagree with it, that's your right as well.... but he's not deserving of any sarcastic comments because of his opinion.

Though you did post a "winkie" face at him...

 

[Sloth7d]

Classic moments are great but JMS's Mary Jane was very poor. Always "I love you so much, Peter" and that's it.
So I voted the "No".

I was always a fan of DeFaulco's Mary Jane, myself. Always thought he handled the marriage well.

 

[kainedamo]

Boycotting it is really the only way Joe Q will get the message. Sad but true.

We don't appreciate him pushing agendas in comics.

You have to give JMS at least this much - he didn't even want his name on the last two issues of OMD. He tried talking Joe Q outta this direction.

I MIGHT be picking up the last ish of OMD. I dunno. But after that, thats it, I'm done. Even if Dan Slott is coming on board, I have to hope that enough people are gonna stop buying it so Joe Q gets the message.

 

[Themanofbat]

Boycotting it is really the only way Joe Q will get the message. Sad but true.

We don't appreciate him pushing agendas in comics.

You have to give JMS at least this much - he didn't even want his name on the last two issues of OMD. He tried talking Joe Q outta this direction.

I MIGHT be picking up the last ish of OMD. I dunno. But after that, thats it, I'm done. Even if Dan Slott is coming on board, I have to hope that enough people are gonna stop buying it so Joe Q gets the message.

Hahahahahahaha... that's really funny.

If you wanted to really piss off JQ, don't buy OMD.

And as mentioned in the other thread, while I have not been enjoying this current storyline, it might not necessarily be mad-powered JQ's fault. remember, he's the main guy at Marvel, but he is NOT owner of Marvel Comics... so anything drastic that he might want to do to characters that do not belong to him still has to be met with approval from the people who DO own Marvel Comics & Spider-Man... perhaps this "agenda" came from Marvel Ownership, and he's found a way to do what they required (albeit he could have found a much better way).

You guys all talk like JQ is some power hungry dictator that can make any decision he feels like, when the reality is that he has to answer to someone who actually "owns" these characters, and "big changes" may need approval from the powers that be.

And while I may not agree with the forthcoming changes, changes (whether they are good or bad ones) is what really separates Marvel from DC. Again, from a post in another thread, I had stated that Marvel has always been about making gutsy changes to their characters as opposed to constantly maintaing the status quo like DC has a habit of doing. And while I may not like certain changes, I can appreciate that Marvel has the balls to make them, be it JQ's whims (or whoever the EIC du jour may be) or the owners' whims, this style of mandate from Marvel is what makes it a much more appealing Universe to me than the DC one.

And that folks, is yet again, merely my two cents...

Cheers...

 

[Infidel]

I really don't think Joe Quesada knows what he is doing. Seriously.

 

[USMC]

Stopped buying this crap awhile ago.

And btw, these smily's suck ass...

 

[Shockdingo]

Personally, I stopped buying for a while now, if anything, this just makes me want to go back and get a whale-load of the good classic stuff. Honestly, for the people who hate how this is going, but are continuing to buy aren't going to send the message to marvel, they just see the cashola coming in. As someone said in another thread (I believe it may have been Farmernudie) people say "I'll just see how this goes" Then we get Sins Past, "I'll keep going" then we get "the other". "I'll keep going" boom OMD. What's next people? Do we want a uber classic capcom-esque revision of "Glargh this is another example of bad thinking and plotting, 'alpha shocking plan to screw the fans' dream cancel hyper champion edition blaster ediiton"??

MARVEL (not just JQ; what TMoB says makes sense about his [Ahnuld]powaaa[\Ahnuld]) Doesn't care soley on how much people cry out on the net as long as they get cash. If you're truly riled up about all this like I and others are, then don't "Just keep buying to see how it goes" stop and make a vote with yer money bags. That's all I got for now...

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Personally, I stopped buying for a while now, if anything, this just makes me want to go back and get a whale-load of the good classic stuff. Honestly, for the people who hate how this is going, but are continuing to buy aren't going to send the message to marvel, they just see the cashola coming in. As someone said in another thread (I believe it may have been Farmernudie) people say "I'll just see how this goes" Then we get Sins Past, "I'll keep going" then we get "the other". "I'll keep going" boom OMD. What's next people? Do we want a uber classic capcom-esque revision of "Glargh this is another example of bad thinking and plotting, 'alpha shocking plan to screw the fans' dream cancel hyper champion edition blaster ediiton"??

MARVEL (not just JQ; what TMoB says makes sense about his [Ahnuld]powaaa[\Ahnuld]) Doesn't care soley on how much people cry out on the net as long as they get cash. If you're truly riled up about all this like I and others are, then don't "Just keep buying to see how it goes" stop and make a vote with yer money bags. That's all I got for now...

Off topic: ShockDingo? from WMx Madness? cool...

Back on topic:
Somewhere there lies the problem... We want the classic stories (cause they were GREAT!) BUT the problem with the powers that be... (Joe Q and whomever is higher on the food chain) in a strange way KNOW that WE love the classics... thus in order to "return" to the classic era, they are KILLING Spidey (The Other took it waay to literally...) Some of the fans hate all this character annihilation that's been happening throughout the years... (Supporting Cast disappearing, out of character actions, weird retcons, etc.)
Yet some of these fans who hate current Spidey keep buying the books hoping for improvements...

The real problem is that We DON'T KNOW what we want... and MARVEL DOESN'T KNOW how to cater a fan base that has no idea what they want...

sure, Spidey has been screwed up beyond recognition... Marvel keeps saying that THIS ain't my father's Spidey anymore... (Or the Spidey some of the older fans here knew...) Yet Both the fans AND Marvel long for my father's Spidey...

As a kid; my dad used to read me Spidey stories, so I knew Peter as a single college guy, I knew about Gwen and her death... When I Officially began reading comics I was mildly annoyed that Peter was married to the party girl... (Thinking, How could that be... He wouldn't endanger another girl's life after Gwen...) Eventually she grew on me... (I figured out that it must be Peter's "do the right thing" thing and their "double lives" MJ with her bubbleheaded party girl bimbo mask and Peter with his Arachnid Vigilante mask...

Later I kinda saw the sparks...and the evil backhand fly When Ben Reilly showed) Now I feel that the way that the marriage is being treated is disrespectful to the characters involved... Now Speaking of the characters involved... Sure the marriage was rushed (By now we all know that Stan wanted to marry Pete and MJ in the newspaper strip, so the EIC back then... Jim Shooter ,I think, had Peter and MJ get married in the 616 as well...) But it made sense... Sure Gwen's death was shocking... (And the fact that it was used to avoid to have a married Peter, makes it even more shocking) But it still made sense...

Even the dreaded clone saga (which was milked for waay too long) made sense... (Even if they brought Norman back from the dead... My only big WTF) But Sins Past was just a little shockeroonie that retconned (For the worse IMHO) the reasons behind the death of Gwen... The Other... is basically a rotten mini-clone saga (sans clones and cementing the Magical Spidey Origin... which allowed more Magic in Spidey's life... more on that later) OK so Peter dies and a second Peter is born... (Didn't he died and was reborn during that Queen mess where he gained the organics?)

Did this made sense... No... It just killed My father's and MY Spider-man; now we have The moronic Spidey... aka Peter Parker Griffin Potter; The Magical spider-God's Chosen One/Moron, that UNMASKED WILLINGLY IN FRONT OF A TV AUDIENCE, just cause Tony told him to and Aunt May and MJ gave him the thumbs up... (Talk about a stupid choice... He should regret this...)

If Peter I was still alive he wouldn't have done such a stupid thing... but even PPGP regretted this choice in Back in Black (Which in theory it makes sense, but it doesn't matter because her comes the final nail on the coffin...) ENTER One More DAY!!! (Cue Dramatic Music) The moment that Joe Q (And Possibly the rest of the powers that be...) have been waiting for... EVERYTHING HAS LED UP TO THIS POINT (Or so they have said...)

WAITAMINNIT... does this mean, that I had to spend years avoiding CRAPPY Spidey stories (I pity those who ACTUALLY READ THEM) avoiding my FAVORITE Superhero like the plague, because it will lead up to THIS?! Man It better be good... and once again I'm being let down... So in order to achieve the return of my Father's Spidey, most of the memories I have about Spidey will be useless, because of the "Possible" re-write of history (or Marriage erasing, which should endanger the fabric of Reality in that Continuity... Thanks to a deal with the devil?!) THIS does not make sense...


ALL I WANT is:
-SPIDEY STORIES that are TRUE to the CHARACTERS... (Not forcing the characters into situations that have them act Out of Character in order to get to the next plot point)
-Peter Parker's supporting cast... of the non-superpowered kind...
-MJ having a life... I swear, she's written almost as useful as a bedside table... (I'm tired of Mega-nagger or sex toy MJ... She needs her friends...)
-NO more magic crap... leave the Magic to doc Strange, Thor, etc.
-Whatever BIG CHANGE in the status quo MUST be plausible and TRUE to the Characters...

I want to return to buy Spider-man comics... but in the state that they're now... I'm not going to... When things get better I'll be back on the comicbook store buying spidey...

 

[listenbud]

I ask you,...where is the "responsibility" in making a deal with the devil.
This is pure crap and totally out of character. Peter knows that May would
never condone dealing with Mephisto. Shame on Quesada.

I have bought Spidey for 40 years, and now I am done.

 

[Blader5489]

The real problem is that We DON'T KNOW what we want... and MARVEL DOESN'T KNOW how to cater a fan base that has no idea what they want...

DING DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!

I don't think I have seen a more utterly hypocritical and negative fanbase than Spider-Man readers. You guys claim you want Peter to grow up and progress as character, but at the same time are completely obstinate towards any change that the character undergoes. You guys want to see stories that are more traditional, but immediately want to boycott those stories (i.e. Brand New Day) before they even come out!

I would even be willing to bet that people who support the marriage aren't even pro-marriage, but rather anti-Quesada. With few exceptions, MJ is a mediocre character and the marriage has done little to actually change Peter's life. But apparently getting rid of MJ and the marriage is some great injustice that destroys the character of Peter Parker.

All in all, it would best if Marvel didn't listen to the hardcore fans because they will always cry foul no matter what happens.

 

[Shockdingo]

DocOck: Hehe, yup, that's me. How's life been treating you these days?

 

[Themanofbat]

I ask you,...where is the "responsibility" in making a deal with the devil.
This is pure crap and totally out of character. Peter knows that May would
never condone dealing with Mephisto. Shame on Quesada.

I have bought Spidey for 40 years, and now I am done.

See ya later... but just so you know, it won't be Peter who makes a deal with the devil. It's not in his character.

 

[UltimateJustin]

DING DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!

I don't think I have seen a more utterly hypocritical and negative fanbase than Spider-Man readers. You guys claim you want Peter to grow up and progress as character, but at the same time are completely obstinate towards any change that the character undergoes. You guys want to see stories that are more traditional, but immediately want to boycott those stories (i.e. Brand New Day) before they even come out!

I would even be willing to bet that people who support the marriage aren't even pro-marriage, but rather anti-Quesada. With few exceptions, MJ is a mediocre character and the marriage has done little to actually change Peter's life. But apparently getting rid of MJ and the marriage is some great injustice that destroys the character of Peter Parker.

All in all, it would best if Marvel didn't listen to the hardcore fans because they will always cry foul no matter what happens.

The fans arent being that hypocritical. They want traditional Spiderman stories and feel that they could get that with the marriage. For a decade, they havent been given any changes that make sense or even seem to have an idea where they are going (The Other... okay, and then what? Why is this outrageous change important?) BND is not a return to classic Spiderman because MJ being a superhero is typical 00's filth, and we know its still going to be the same agenda agitprop its turned into. Its not a return just because Jackpot will have a tacky 60's uniform, they are painting this up to look like the 60's, and no one is telling them to actually go back to that. People just want good stories, a supporting cast of regular people, and no insane, meaningless changes.

 

[farmernudie]

Uh...yeh....we're not going traditional now with Spidey.....MJ was not and is not a superhero who smashes in windshields and fights crime.

And Pete nor MJ are dumb enough to listen and take the advice/deal with the devil, especially while in the middle of the mess of listening and taking the advice of Iron-Man...and the turmoil it (obviously) caused.

This direction is lame...and i mean capital LAME.

Especially how Mephisto is being written, the whole sotry for that matter, is obviously forced to reach point B.

We DO want Pete to grow up and he has....retconning major things in his life, such as marriage, which hasn't brought the book down in any of the recently over magical and lame stories, was NOT even one of the reasons that made any of those stories un-liked.

Even more, it is kinda an insult for JQ to say that all these stories were planned out from the get go to get us to this point in OMD. SO....we've been out there, and kept reading as such good loyal little fans, not liking this crap (OTher, Sins PAsts, unmasking) while it is all a big plan...and things are only getting worse tot he point we've got stories witht he anti-marriage fairy now...the only way to save an old lady with a bullet wound in the marvel universe these days is by sacrificing your marriage. Real traditional and down to earht relatable there. Not to mention out of continuity big time with the entire marvel universe.

 

[Dangerous]

Blah.. bring on #545, we'll read it, it will suck, but at least we will know everything for sure.

 

[USMC]

See ya later... but just so you know, it won't be Peter who makes a deal with the devil. It's not in his character.

So... it's in... MJ's...


Ya.

 

[Traveller]

Are you joking? I wager there is more dialog between MJ and Peter in the panels I posted than you will take time to read.

I understand your irony (I think so at least), but I mean their talk was almost meaningless. Actress (again), "be careful" and her secret for almost 35 years (Sins Past).

Thank you, TMOB.