BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[Tim_Riggins]

Perhaps it's just the world we live in now but I find very, very hard to believe some of the ratings and scores it is getting. I accept that people's opinions differ but the contrast in criticism against certain aspects of the movie throw doubt on a lot of things for me. How can Jessie be both the best and worst aspect of the film? Same goes for Wonder Woman. It just doesn't make sense.

It seems as though some people have gone into the cinema expecting it to be a 10/10 perfect movie and anything less means it is crap and deserves a low score. It's ridiculous.

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It makes sense as in people react differently to things. That's just it, different strokes for different folks, just like some movies just seem to be liked more overall, for some reason.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

I agree w.u about being spoiler free and word of mouth being more important in real life to people.

But ur comment about critics being tired of the genre seems off base since they all pretty much universally praised Deadpool.

And Ant-man, and Winter Soldier, and DOFP, and Guardians, and the JJ and Daredevil shows.. Literally, Ultron doesn't do as well as expected (but still breaks a billion) and people think it's the end of the genre.

 

[JOE]

That's why for comic movies you shouldn't read spoilers. The reviews you should pay attention to are fan reviews, which are much better then critics who are tired of the genre

They weren't tired of the genre when they were praising the Nolan trilogy? The weren't tired of the genre when they were praising First Class, or Days of Future Past? They weren't tired of the genre when they were praising The Avengers, The Winter Soldier, or Guardians of the Galaxy? Every stop to think they're not tired of the genre, that maybe they just really don't like this movie?

I think fan reviews are crap. They're biased as hell and a fan will go out of his/her way to defend a movie they may of hated deep down only to save face for said movie that they'll defend to the death. There's too much pride involved.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I like Man of Steel far more than IM1 but I wouldn't call any comic book movie a masterpiece, really. Even 11/10 movies like The Big Lebowski or Star Wars I'd feel hesitant to say that about.

I will say RDJ does far better in Iron Man 1 than any of the movies he's in after.

I respect your opinion. However you are the first person I have noticed like MoS more than IM1. The first Star Wars isn't only a masterpiece. It changed cinema forever. It's one of the most important pieces of art ever made by a human being. Even more than the Mona Lisa and right up there with Beethoven's 9th.

Deadpool is a masterpiece imo. The best comic book movie since IM1. Whether BB is better than TDK is a good question. I do appreciate Bruce's journey to become a ninja. However, the Joker is just too powerful and the story was so masterfully told it gave me The Godfather vibes.

I'm looking forward to doing a review on BvS. There's such a mixed reaction. Overly negative mind you, but mixed on both spectrums

 

[Stark Bauer]

The dark knight rises was great, what was the issue? I hear people say plot holes galore etc but never actually give them. For a part 3 in a trilogy it may have been the best ive seen for most trilogies.

Us fans need to also step back and realize if this movie bombs its not good for the genre, screw if your a marvel or dc fan we need these films to be successful so the genre doesnt die out in 5 years.

It's not so much about the superhero genre. Marvel Studios as a brand is so strong. Their reputation is as strong if not stronger than Pixar. People associate those names with quality. CG movies made by other companies not named Pixar don't get that benefit of the doubt. The moviegoing public are going to vote with their wallets. BvS can bomb and a month later, Civil War will march on.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Stark, you say this like it's a fact, it's not, keep that in mind. Preface this by "in my opinion", that's better.

Anything I post here should be taken as my opinion by default. Unless I'm Almighty God, but I'm not lol

 

[Stark Bauer]

I Americanized it.t:

And TDK is a masterpiece alright....of plot convenience. MoS was just pitiful weak-sauce.

Well played friendo.

 

[JohnnyBlaze]

Hey guys, do you think it would be possible that dc starts making films on their own ? Much like marvel, before the disney coop ?

 

[MrsKent26]

Hey guys, do you think it would be possible that dc starts making films on their own ? Much like marvel, before the disney coop ?

Not likely. Why would WB let them do that?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Hey guys, do you think it would be possible that dc starts making films on their own ? Much like marvel, before the disney coop ?

DC has been part and parcel with WB for 25 years or so now. This pretty much is them making their own movies.

 

[Mr.T]

Some people just don't want to admit BvS is probably just a bad movie. Critics praise good movies and plenty of recent superhero flicks have been universally liked by them.

 

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Some people just don't want to admit BvS is probably just a bad movie. Critics praise good movies and plenty of recent superhero flicks have been universally liked by them.

We've waited 3 years course we don't to admit it.

 

[Chesterfield]

I am just amazed at the Rotten Tomatoes scores for AoU and Iron Man 3. Way to high

Why? It resonated better with people than BvS is doing. It's a matter of opinion. There's no right or wrong.

 

[batfreakforever]

It's not a bad movie at all. People are just sheep these days and can't form an opinion of their own and go in with closed minds of what other people have told them.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Hey guys, do you think it would be possible that dc starts making films on their own ? Much like marvel, before the disney coop ?

I think it is inevitable. It is an eventuality. They just need the right people to take the initiative. It's a sizeable task to reproduce what Marvel Studios has done. If anyone can do it, it is a master storyteller, like James Cameron, someone who places the bigger picture ahead of the here and now quick cash in mentality, like Kevin Feige. I really hope BvS is better than some of the reviews and reactions I am seeing.

 

[Iceman]

Perhaps it's just the world we live in now but I find very, very hard to believe some of the ratings and scores it is getting. I accept that people's opinions differ but the contrast in criticism against certain aspects of the movie throw doubt on a lot of things for me. How can Jessie be both the best and worst aspect of the film? Same goes for Wonder Woman. It just doesn't make sense.

It seems as though some people have gone into the cinema expecting it to be a 10/10 perfect movie and anything less means it is crap and deserves a low score. It's ridiculous.

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I don't find that surprising on Jesse. Whenever you do something significantly different and take a risk (and as long as there is at least some merit to it) you can get wildly varying opinions on whether it worked.

 

[TheQuestion]

It makes sense as in people react differently to things. That's just it, different strokes for different folks, just like some movies just seem to be liked more overall, for some reason.

Just seems to me that there may be external factors affecting people's perceptions of this particular film to the point that it's going to potentially ruining a franchise before it's started. If the reviews were coming in consistently bad (like Fantastic Four) I'd get it.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Some people just don't want to admit BvS is probably just a bad movie. Critics praise good movies and plenty of recent superhero flicks have been universally liked by them.

Admit what? how? Admitting to such a thing WOULD be saying BvS is a bad film like it's a fact. There's nothing to admit, plenty of fans like, or love the film, I'm seeing it on Reddit, I'm seeing it here, I love the film, I don't need to admit to anything.

Being universally liked doesn't mean jacksh**, even a universally liked film will be disliked by many people. Some films just get a better critical consensus than others, but in the end, it's just that, an opinion from a person that's not you. There are people that are barometers as they have similar tastes to yours and your opinions usually align, but it's still opinion.

Critics "praise" good movies? You mean like Thor TDW has 66 % or Ant-Man (which is solid imo) 80 %. There are some incredibly good films that have shockingly low RT scores, it doesn't mean anything.

 

[Iceman]

What should be the focus is really the average rating which is split down right in the middle, the percentage on RT is misleading. Just like some films have 80 % or more but a weak average rating, that's why it's just a flawed tool and that's not making excuses.

Agreed. And given that it is not a particularly complicated statistic (for the GA to understand), I don't know why they even bothered coming up with a separate Tomatometer rating that gives far less info.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Just seems to me that there may be external factors affecting people's perceptions of this particular film to the point that it's going to potentially ruining a franchise before it's started. If the reviews were coming in consistently bad (like Fantastic Four) I'd get it.

It's not going to ruin anything, the people that don't like the film are projecting, hoping that somehow Snyder is going to be booted so he doesn't "ruin" Justice League. The film is already setting up big scores in the countries it's opened in, it's crushing MOS in those markets, as it will everywhere else.

I have a feeling the domestic tracking is underestimating it as well. The film will do its nice 1 billion WW at the very least, WB will be happy, the fans who liked the film will be happy, those who don't like it will probably be pissed, rinse & repeat, the eternal cycle.

 

[Plaidchuck]

This is just another Snyder film, panned critically will do ok at the BO. The same usual suspects will defend it years down the road.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Admit what? how? Admitting to such a thing WOULD be saying BvS is a bad film like it's a fact. There's nothing to admit, plenty of fans like, or love the film, I'm seeing it on Reddit, I'm seeing it here, I love the film, I don't need to admit to anything.

Being universally liked doesn't mean jacksh**, even a universally liked film will be disliked by many people. Some films just get a better critical consensus than others, but in the end, it's just that, an opinion from a person that's not you. There are people that are barometers as they have similar tastes to yours and your opinions usually align, but it's still opinion.

Critics "praise" good movies? You mean like Thor TDW has 66 % or Ant-Man (which is solid imo) 80 %. There are some incredibly good films that have shockingly low RT scores, it doesn't mean anything.

True. I find the discrepancy between BO numbers more appaling. Pacific Rim, Kick-Ass, The Iron Giant are some of my favourite movies but their BO would say otherwise (domestically for PR).

Dredd, Scott Pilgrim vs The World and Hellboy are great movies too imo lol but they made way less money than they deserved to. Especially in today's comic savvy culture, the aforementioned would probably make more money if they were released this year.

 

[Nvmyprixgt]

They weren't tired of the genre when they were praising the Nolan trilogy? The weren't tired of the genre when they were praising First Class, or Days of Future Past? They weren't tired of the genre when they were praising The Avengers, The Winter Soldier, or Guardians of the Galaxy? Every stop to think they're not tired of the genre, that maybe they just really don't like this movie?

I think fan reviews are crap. They're biased as hell and a fan will go out of his/her way to defend a movie they may of hated deep down only to save face for said movie that they'll defend to the death. There's too much pride involved.

I'm not saying they don't like the movie, but it's clear in BvS reviews they prefer light hearted and fun comic movies to serious. Hence the marvel reviews you mentioned(I really liked all of them btw). Anything not Nolan related is gonna get crapped on if it's dark in tone.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Admit what? how? Admitting to such a thing WOULD be saying BvS is a bad film like it's a fact. There's nothing to admit, plenty of fans like, or love the film, I'm seeing it on Reddit, I'm seeing it here, I love the film, I don't need to admit to anything.

Reminds me of a wedding speech on Mitchell and Webb. "Two people, who are a little bit deluded in each-others favour. That's what love is, Isn't it?"

 

[JohnnyBlaze]

DC has been part and parcel with WB for 25 years or so now. This pretty much is them making their own movies.

Ah ok thx i think i understand, thx all for the answers.

I didnt seen the film yet, im really excited especially after this critic masaka