BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[sf2]

Nope. But if there was a choice of either watching a light-hearted, cheerful, kid-friendly superman movie / super hero movie or this, the majority would rather watch the former.

majority wanna watch the former, doesn't mean the latter would be bad.
it is just a matter of taste.

and i think this movie is gold as compare to all previous superman movies.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

I'm sure they know or don't mind that. They just don't like that my response was more negative this time. If I had praised it they'd be patting me on the proverbial back and quoting me around other threads.

i wasn't personally aware of that and it's good to know, the kind of discussion i was interested in, but you seem like you're still in victim mode.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Same. There was hope at the end of the film though which I really think will lead into a much, if not cheerful, sunnier Justice League, Terrio said Part 1 would be much lighter, it'd be a nice change of pace, and yes, I do love the dark tone.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Are you permitted to rewrite and resubmit your review? Would you even want to?

I updated the rating. I stand by my review. When I review something I try to remain as objective as possible. I don't fill in what I "like" or "dislike." I leave that for personal recommendations to people who ask directly.

 

[harryoscop]

Are you saying that this "selfish" fandom (as in people who like the darker approach) should stop supporting what they like for the sake of the children?

This 100%. I don't really care about little kids.

 

[Orba]

In the Collider video review John Campea admitted that he dropped his score for the film after he watched it for a second time.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

And what is this actual character? Just tell me. What is the "actual" version of Batman? Or Superman?

Get a room full of Batman or Superman fans and you will never get them to agree on a version. Different people like different versions.

There are versions of Batman and Superman that kills, and there are versions that have a "strict" code against killing, no matter what.

And if we are going by the last statement, I guess all Batman movies made so far can be ignored. Because they were all interpretations of those creatives. Heck, Burton himself has said that he hasn't read any comic books. He made movies based on his understanding - and he created Batman, his version of Batman.

Likewise, Donner created his version, his vision of Superman. So, don't bother making statements such as "actual" character, because that's meaningless. You will never get fans to agree on it.

And besides, many of these versions (even the popular ones) don't resemble the original creations.

Oh, btw comic book Batman wouldn't work either - since even across the main stream line - the main continuities of DC - characters have changed.

It's not about getting the continuity right, it's about getting the spirit and base-line of the character right. You're right everyone is going to have a different intrepretation of who Batman is, but generally speaking at least most of them will agree that Bruce should be "A Billionaire Playboy, assisted by Alfred, and doesn't kill and doesn't use guns."

Even the Nolan movies stayed true to the spirit, which is why those movies worked. They were true to the spirit of "mainline Batman". Burton was never much interest in the character of Batman, and he never went out and said this was going to be comic-book Batman. Even then, I'd argue that this was another "subversion."

As for the characters being different when they were first introduced, think about Bugs Bunny. What just popped in your head? The Mel Blanc-voiced 1948 design right? Not the 1938 design? It's because the characters evolved. It's who they were, not who they are.

 

[PeterBenParker]

So, is the Batman stuff good at least? Asking purely for love of Sir Batfleck.

 

[JC00]

Everyone shut up about Poni_Boy. God forbid we have a critic who is willing to rewatch a film, reconsider aspects, and let his opinion develop rather than stubbornly clinging to his preconceived notions in light of shocking evidence to the contrary. At any rate, he has done nothing to let us think his integrity should be called into question. You may not like what he has to say, but I will not stand for people insulting him. Debate his points, if you'd like. Not his integrity.

"You are just saying that because he didn't like the movie. If he liked the movie you would be trolling him"

-BvS defenders

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Of course, Batfleck is one of the best things in the movie. Those who don't like the film have that at the very least.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Coldstone's is better.

Not sure you saw what he did there.

 

[Zalker87]

In the Collider video review John Campea admitted that he dropped his score for the film after he watched it for a second time.

He dropped it because of a dumb reason, Gal Gadot. He has this fantasy for hating her it's really weird.

He said the same things about the movie and liked it a lot. But he said Gal Gadot is not a good actress even tho multiple people say her and Ben are the stand outs.

 

[Poni_Boy]

So, is the Batman stuff good at least? Asking purely for love of Sir Batfleck.

Affleck is great. He put everything he has into it. I wouldn't say the Batman "stuff" is good because that depends on your expectations of the character. But Affleck's portrayal is one of the film's highlights.

 

[The Guard]

It's not about getting the continuity right, it's about the spirit and base-line of the character right. You're right everyone is going to have a different intrepretation of who Batman is, but generally speaking at least most of them will agree that Bruce should be "A Billionaire Playboy, assisted by Alfred, and doesn't kill and doesn't use guns."

Even the Nolan movies stayed true to the spirit, which is why those movies worked. They were true to the spirt of "mainline Batman".

Except that the Nolan movies featured a Batman who used guns and killed, even when he said he wouldn't. I don't see how that's all that accurate to the baseline. The Nolan films made sizeable changes to the character as he is generally portrayed.

 

[BatSpider]

Are you saying that this "selfish" fandom (as in people who like the darker approach) should stop supporting what they like for the sake of the children?

boom.

 

[sf2]

batman stuffs are brilliant. together with alfred where most of the humours are from.

 

[Darkraid]

I still don't give a damn about critics. Most of them are losers who tries to earn some career out of doing nothing and going by what's trendy in their social circle. It's like lowest of the low jobs. People who can't do it themselves criticizing "professionally" the professionals to earn some cash.

Posters that true to themselves gets my attention eighter they like the movie or not.

Its funny, why do we even need critics when no one wants to listen to them?

You sound desperate.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I'll admit it is interesting though to see the media and governments turn on Superman and try to control him and conflict him and make him feel like an outsider. See that's what I'm confused about. I want a story about hope but at the same time this premise sounds really intriguing if done well.

It's interesting to see how conflicted Supes would be about himself if he's a force of good or not. But then you don't get the joyful Supes. I'm conflicted myself at this point.

 

[danoyse]

Are you saying that this "selfish" fandom (as in people who like the darker approach) should stop supporting what they like for the sake of the children?

No, we're saying that they don't get what people loved about Superman when they make a film leaves out an important segment of their audience.

I grew up loving Star Wars, but I have no need for a darker, grittier version just because I'm an adult now.

And yes, they should think of the children. The movie doesn't have to be dumbed down and g-rated. But it should be something that has cross-generational appeal.

I was watching old Superman serials on TCM last night, which were so adorably cheesy. But cheesy as they were, you have know the kids that loved those back then are the ones who grew up and wrote the stories we have today. If they hadn't grown up with Superman, things would be different.

 

[hafizbat]

Except that the Nolan movies featured a Batman who used guns and killed, even when he said he wouldn't. I don't see how that's all that accurate to the baseline. The Nolan films made sizeable changes to the character as he is generally portrayed.

You clearly haven't seen the movie. The only thing Nolan's Batman had in common was the name.

 

[Mjölnir]

He dropped it because of a dumb reason, Gal Gadot. He has this fantasy for hating her it's really weird.

He said the same things about the movie and liked it a lot. But he said Gal Gadot is not a good actress even tho multiple people say her and Ben are the stand outs.

No, he doesn't. He's been saying for a long time that he hopes that she's great and even in the Collider review clip he says that she's good in the party scene. He clearly stated that the issues he had with the film (didn't plant enough emotional seeds, disjointed storytelling and logical issues) the first time became bigger on his second viewing, he didn't just say that Gal sucked and dropped it.

And he's right, Gal has a few lines that aren't delivered well, and she doesn't exactly have a ton of lines. I don't think she was bad, but it left a question mark how things will be when she has to lead a movie, which will require far more acting.

 

[TripleJ]

It's not about getting the continuity right, it's about the spirit and base-line of the character right. You're right everyone is going to have a different intrepretation of who Batman is, but generally speaking at least most of them will agree that Bruce should be "A Billionaire Playboy, assisted by Alfred, and doesn't kill and doesn't use guns."

Even the Nolan movies stayed true to the spirit, which is why those movies worked. They were true to the spirt of "mainline Batman". Burton was never much interest in the character of Batman, and he never went out and said this was going to be comic-book Batman.

As for the characters being different when they were first introduced, think about Bugs Bunny. What just popped in your head? The Mel Blanc-voiced 1948 design right? Not the 1938 design? It's because the character evolved. It who they were, not who they are.

Eh, all of the movie Batmen have killed, directly and indirectly.

(I don't hold that against them; it's their interpretation. And besides, Batman was created as a killer. It was DC who decided to go with the no kill thing. Same DC that allows other creators to reimagine and redefine these characters as they see it).

No, those movies worked because they have good stories and director managed to portray it well in the screen.

BvS - if anything, the weakness is in Snyder's direction skills, not his interpretation of the characters.

(I haven't seen BvS, but I am inferring based on Snyder's other movies).

So, what? Snyder isn't allowed to "evolve" the character as he sees it?

I think it's best if fans were to approach these movies as elseworlds, because it's what they are.

Since if we go by, movies should reflect comic books - that would never work, considering there are multiple iterations (and multiple main continuities).

Do you go with New 52? Yeah, you might end up upsetting Pre 52 fans, and vise versa.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

He dropped it because of a dumb reason, Gal Gadot. He has this fantasy for hating her it's really weird.

He said the same things about the movie and liked it a lot. But he said Gal Gadot is not a good actress even tho multiple people say her and Ben are the stand outs.

He dropped it so he isn't a standout when all the reviews are counted.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Except that the Nolan movies featured a Batman who used guns and killed, even when he said he wouldn't. I don't see how that's all that accurate to the baseline. The Nolan films made sizeable changes to the character as he is generally portrayed.

I'd argue there wasn't intent there, not like there is in this. By the by, when did he use gun's in TDKT? Not questioning, just can't seem to remember.

 

[danoyse]

This 100%. I don't really care about little kids.

And that's why you can't see the problem with this approach.