BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 7

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My vacation starts Saturday, so I'll be posting a full review within a couple of days. In the mean time I'll share a couple of quick hits.

It's simply not put together well. The editing really is atrocious. I don't agree with many critics that there were too many subplots to follow. Once I've had time to digest everything, it's all pretty straight forward. But Christ, that editing certainly made it seem like this movie was juggling five thousand things.

This characterization of Superman sucks. Point blank. I don't know if Cavill just isn't a very talented actor, or if the material he has to work with is so bland and vapid that it just bleeds over into his performance, but they've got to stop with this nonsense. He's always frowning. He's always questioning what he's doing. You get the feeling that he saves people solely out of appointed obligation and not because he genuinely wants to. He slams a normal human being through several concrete walls at tremendous force, but we're supposed to believe he didn't just straight murder the guy.

And then they kill him. Two ****ing movies into this shared universe. And the people of the world suddenly care for some reason, when these filmmakers have done everything in their power to show as little as possible as to why that might be the case. "Oh, let's show a brief montage of him saving people! But have him frown the entire time! And always frame it so that we constantly remind the audience that this is essentially a god saving a lower being!"

That's the fundamental flaw with this characterization. They are so hellbent on approaching Superman as a god-like being that he comes across as being disconnected from humanity. Does he like these people? Why does he like these people? Does he consider himself one of us? Why is that? Too bad the filmmakers never bother to ask these ****ing questions. He comes across so cold and divorced from the people he's saving, you wonder if he actually does think he's above them. He certainly does nothing to suggest that he's not too different from them.

Eisenberg's Luthor was awful, and that final scene with him and Batman had me rolling my eyes.

"He's coming!"

WHO'S COMING? Did I miss something? Was there some other mention of Darkseid that I missed, besides the omega symbol during the pointless nightmare sequence? What the **** is this line from Eisenberg supposed to mean, and where the hell does it come from?

It was cool and all to see Wonder Woman, but she was pointless. Cool to see Aquaman, but pointless. Cool to see Cyborg, but pointless. Cool to see Flash, but pointless AND confusing as **** to the plot of THIS movie. Seriously. That warning serves NO other purpose than to set up a future film. It's amateur at best.

Snyder and Terrio fell into the trap. Rather than focus squarely on the Superman/Batman/Luthor conflict, they just had to work in all these little nods and winks to things to come. But they don't service this story being told, and frankly the manner in which they're introduced is confusing. This movie tried to tell a Batman/Superman story and build a universe at the same time. They overplayed their hand. It's a mess.

**** Doomsday.
 
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Just came back. What the actual **** was that.:dry:
 
The death of Zack Snyder's career, if there's any justice in the world.
 
The ending scene, when they're laying Superman to rest. What's being discussed? How they have to bring together all the metahumans to fight an unseen foe. ****ing forget that we just put Superman in a coffin, guys. Justice League is coming!

Oh, and don't worry. Superman's not dead. So the last ten minutes you just watched are completely empty of meaning and devoid of significance. Boy, almost makes you wonder if we needed to do it in the first place. Gosh, maybe killing this unlikable Superman two movies in wasn't the best idea!

**** Doomsday again.
 
Do go on ..... LOL

This isn't a movie. It's just a bunch of scenes edited together for 2 and a half hours. And the last 3rd act is a video game. I had no clue what the **** was going on. And **** Doomsday. And **** Lex.

I'm so pissed off its almost funny. I sat through a double feature,MoS then BvS. The best part of this film hands down in Affleck as Batman. Other than his PoV of the Metropolis invasion, everything else is bleh. And holy ****, how disappointing was the fight between Batman and Superman?
 
Just came back. What the actual **** was that.:dry:

Right??

During the scene when Wonder Woman drove off from that party, I actually turned to my friend and told him I hoped she was driving over to a better movie.
 
This isn't a movie. It's just a bunch of scenes edited together for 2 and a half hours. And the last 3rd act is a video game. I had no clue what the **** was going on. And **** Doomsday. And **** Lex.

I'm so pissed off its almost funny. I sat through a double feature,MoS then BvS. The best part of this film hands down in Affleck as Batman. Other than his PoV of the Metropolis invasion, everything else is bleh. And holy ****, how disappointing was the fight between Batman and Superman?

Would you say it's more Super Mario Bros or Grand Theft Auto?
 
Right??

During the scene when Wonder Woman drove off from that party, I actually turned to my friend and told him I hoped she was driving over to a better movie.

Nothing happens in this movie. Jesus Christ. And lol driving off to a better movie. :funny:
 
My vacation starts Saturday, so I'll be posting a full review within a couple of days. In the mean time I'll share a couple of quick hits.

It's simply not put together well. The editing really is atrocious. I don't agree with many critics that there were too many subplots to follow. Once I've had time to digest everything, it's all pretty straight forward. But Christ, that editing certainly made it seem like this movie was juggling five thousand things.

This characterization of Superman sucks. Point blank. I don't know if Cavill just isn't a very talented actor, or if the material he has to work with is so bland and vapid that it just bleeds over into his performance, but they've got to stop with this nonsense. He's always frowning. He's always questioning what he's doing. You get the feeling that he saves people solely out of appointed obligation and not because he genuinely wants to. He slams a normal human being through several concrete walls at tremendous force, but we're supposed to believe he didn't just straight murder the guy.

And then they kill him. Two ****ing movies into this shared universe. And the people of the world suddenly care for some reason, when these filmmakers have done everything in their power to show as little as possible as to why that might be the case. "Oh, let's show a brief montage of him saving people! But have him frown the entire time! And always frame it so that we constantly remind the audience that this is essentially a god saving a lower being!"

That's the fundamental flaw with this characterization. They are so hellbent on approaching Superman as a god-like being that he comes across as being disconnected from humanity. Does he like these people? Why does he like these people? Does he consider himself one of us? Why is that? Too bad the filmmakers never bother to ask these ****ing questions. He comes across so cold and divorced from the people he's saving, you wonder if he actually does think he's above them. He certainly does nothing to suggest that he's not too different from them.

Eisenberg's Luthor was awful, and that final scene with him and Batman had me rolling my eyes.

"He's coming!"

WHO'S COMING? Did I miss something? Was there some other mention of Darkseid that I missed, besides the omega symbol during the pointless nightmare sequence? What the **** is this line from Eisenberg supposed to mean, and where the hell does it come from?

It was cool and all to see Wonder Woman, but she was pointless. Cool to see Aquaman, but pointless. Cool to see Cyborg, but pointless. Cool to see Flash, but pointless AND confusing as **** to the plot of THIS movie. Seriously. That warning serves NO other purpose than to set up a future film. It's amateur at best.

Snyder and Terrio fell into the trap. Rather than focus squarely on the Superman/Batman/Luthor conflict, they just had to work in all these little nods and winks to things to come. But they don't service this story being told, and frankly the manner in which they're introduced is confusing. This movie tried to tell a Batman/Superman story and build a universe at the same time. They overplayed their hand. It's a mess.

**** Doomsday.

You must not be a real Batman/Superman fan then. This movie was made for the comic fans, not the critics or GA. Snyder is just too existential for you to understand the film.

I'm joking, but I've seen multiple Facebook comments with that exact sentiment....and they were serious. Its the most insane things I've ever heard.
 
This isn't a movie. It's just a bunch of scenes edited together for 2 and a half hours. And the last 3rd act is a video game. I had no clue what the **** was going on. And **** Doomsday. And **** Lex.

I'm so pissed off its almost funny. I sat through a double feature,MoS then BvS. The best part of this film hands down in Affleck as Batman. Other than his PoV of the Metropolis invasion, everything else is bleh. And holy ****, how disappointing was the fight between Batman and Superman?

Right??

During the scene when Wonder Woman drove off from that party, I actually turned to my friend and told him I hoped she was driving over to a better movie.

So basically I'll be wanting to punch myself in the face for wasting money just to confirm what a disaster this movie is.
 
Would you say it's more Super Mario Bros or Grand Theft Auto?
Grab Theft Auto but take that as you will. It's just a big giant explosion fest. I had no idea who was hitting who once WW came in.
 
Affleck was the highlight. Sincerely.

I almost wish I could tell him that regardless of the rest of the movie, he did a fine job. No doubt he doesn't need my reassurance, but I hope the reception to this doesn't sour him on the part. I want a Batman solo with him and Irons. The Batman scenes and the Bruce/Alfred interactions were gold. He deserved a better movie.
 
danoyse, Boom and TeeKay are on all the list with the stupid critics as people who are not sophisticated enough to understand Snyder's vision. :o
 
I'm really really tempted to go see this movie drunk tomorrow.

Like really tempted just to see if I'd like it because I can't sit through this sober.
 
My vacation starts Saturday, so I'll be posting a full review within a couple of days. In the mean time I'll share a couple of quick hits.

It's simply not put together well. The editing really is atrocious. I don't agree with many critics that there were too many subplots to follow. Once I've had time to digest everything, it's all pretty straight forward. But Christ, that editing certainly made it seem like this movie was juggling five thousand things.

This characterization of Superman sucks. Point blank. I don't know if Cavill just isn't a very talented actor, or if the material he has to work with is so bland and vapid that it just bleeds over into his performance, but they've got to stop with this nonsense. He's always frowning. He's always questioning what he's doing. You get the feeling that he saves people solely out of appointed obligation and not because he genuinely wants to. He slams a normal human being through several concrete walls at tremendous force, but we're supposed to believe he didn't just straight murder the guy.

And then they kill him. Two ****ing movies into this shared universe. And the people of the world suddenly care for some reason, when these filmmakers have done everything in their power to show as little as possible as to why that might be the case. "Oh, let's show a brief montage of him saving people! But have him frown the entire time! And always frame it so that we constantly remind the audience that this is essentially a god saving a lower being!"

That's the fundamental flaw with this characterization. They are so hellbent on approaching Superman as a god-like being that he comes across as being disconnected from humanity. Does he like these people? Why does he like these people? Does he consider himself one of us? Why is that? Too bad the filmmakers never bother to ask these ****ing questions. He comes across so cold and divorced from the people he's saving, you wonder if he actually does think he's above them. He certainly does nothing to suggest that he's not too different from them.

Eisenberg's Luthor was awful, and that final scene with him and Batman had me rolling my eyes.

"He's coming!"

WHO'S COMING? Did I miss something? Was there some other mention of Darkseid that I missed, besides the omega symbol during the pointless nightmare sequence? What the **** is this line from Eisenberg supposed to mean, and where the hell does it come from?

It was cool and all to see Wonder Woman, but she was pointless. Cool to see Aquaman, but pointless. Cool to see Cyborg, but pointless. Cool to see Flash, but pointless AND confusing as **** to the plot of THIS movie. Seriously. That warning serves NO other purpose than to set up a future film. It's amateur at best.

Snyder and Terrio fell into the trap. Rather than focus squarely on the Superman/Batman/Luthor conflict, they just had to work in all these little nods and winks to things to come. But they don't service this story being told, and frankly the manner in which they're introduced is confusing. This movie tried to tell a Batman/Superman story and build a universe at the same time. They overplayed their hand. It's a mess.

**** Doomsday.

Great to read your thoughts, Boom :up:

Sorry you didn't care for it much. Fingers crossed for Suicide Squad.
 
I'm really really tempted to go see this movie drunk tomorrow.

Like really tempted just to see if I'd like it because I can't sit through this sober.
Only if you aren't a mean drunk and have a way to get home. :yay:
 
About the critics...

The critics are correct. This movie has a ton of flaws. Basically, it would have been three awesome 2 hour movies. Instead, it was cut to shreds into scenes that weren't fully fleshed out. Also, there's a lot of weird comic-booky stuff. That said, it reminded me of Grant Morrison's JLA. He made those stories reflect how these heroes would feel on the Big Screen. Twenty years later, and I feel like Snyder has taken that task. Back then, Giffen JLI fans hated the Morrison approach as it lacked the humor and character development. Sound familiar?

Basically, RT critics are like YELP critics. They'll give a hipster Sushi joint top stars if it has wonderful plating, great service, byob, a line outside, and great ambiance. Doesn't matter that it only serves rolls, which are covered w/ teriyaki, saracha-infused glaze, and sterile Wasabi being eaten w/ some Costco wine. This film is the Japanese bar that's 20 miles away near the airport, and they serve grated Wasabi that burns your nose, has fish liver pate on the menu, smells like soy sauce, and charges you 8 bucks for a bottle of Asahi. The hipster joint checks off the criteria of what makes a good restaurant. The bar just serves authentic Japanese food.

BvS is crappy movie if I just cared about a tight coherent story. It's a pretty awesome comic come to life, though. Felt like Morrison JLA!
 
danoyse, Boom and TeeKay are on all the list with the stupid critics as people who are not sophisticated enough to understand Snyder's vision. :o
I don't agree with their overall slant on the film, but it genuinely sucks the fanbase can't come together with this universe. Still too early to tell, but miraculously it seems to have garnered an even bigger divide than MOS. Truly a superhuman feat.

I'm dreading my 2nd viewing tomorrow. I don't want to become bitter like half this board is. :funny:
 
danoyse, Boom and TeeKay are on all the list with the stupid critics as people who are not sophisticated enough to understand Snyder's vision. :o

Add me to the list too please.

I'm too dumb for this movie. Too deep. Much serious.

Throw me in with the kids Marvel makes movies for.
 
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