BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 7

[jmc]

Some people are fundamentally against the take on these characters and are using it to justify their judgment that the movie was bad when in fact plenty of higher rated movies are just as flawed in terms of technical filmmaking. The only real difference is the artistic approach and that's really a matter of taste, which many are unwilling to admit. Some of them want pure escapism that depicts a romanticized reality. But the truth is, Snyder's approach of humanizing the characters in a world as flawed as ours is just as valid and does interest people.

DC's characters are more established in pop culture and therefore have more ingrained opinions about their approach. Then you have the genre trend being dominated by escapist takes. Even Nolan's trilogy had a great sense of idealism with statements like anyone can be Batman and make a difference. Many are rejecting Snyder's assertion that the real/flawed world would be no better with superheroes, and furthermore they would unavoidably be a product of the real/flawed world. Therefore, any idealism will be met with controversy and conflict. That is how the way the world is, but some people what pure escapism whereas others appreciate acknowledging how things really are. I want to see Snyder direct X-Men. Snyder does have flaws as a director but so do most superhero directors, which is why TDK is still lauded at the top of the genre. Yet, people are using any opportunity to push their aesthetic bias by conflating anything negative and use any opportunity to assert it's the approach that's the issue.

Perhaps people go into these movie wanting to get away from said real world.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Dude, I know - I read it, and I love it.

But, there were many fans who didn't even give it a chance because "replacing" Bruce with Jim was some sort of cardinal sin.

My point is that one has to be open minded

Yep. Now we got a cool new Capullo design Batsuit out of it.

 

[InJustice]

We need to stop making promises to our parents.

Seriously though, I just found out my mother can't go tomorrow morning now. I am still going with my brother and I do have to take her. She won't miss out on her Cavill.

All I can say is just sit back and witness the proverbial dumping from Zack Snyder right before your eyes.

 

[danoyse]

The thing that offends me most is what they've done to Superman. He's always been my favourite and what we're getting is barely superman. It's even more annoying when you consider they've got a good actor to play him, but all he's being allowed to do is stand and scowl.

Honestly, that Five for Fighting song was happier than anything Superman did in this movie.

 

[TripleJ]

I don't think it's unique to DC, it's just clear to me now Snyder's brand of this universe is so polarizing to the point where a divide of this magnitude is going to be troubling to sustain over a long period of time.

There have been other properties around for decades who've been afforded fanboys and general audiences alike in enjoying the film.

Perhaps.

But, I don't think anyone can achieve a middle ground with Superman or Batman (others are much easier).

I mean, if you switch to a version similar to Donner's take, then you will have a good chunk of the fan base against it (I would be too). Not a fan of that take, but I consider it as valid as any of the others.

Snyder's approach is ANYTHING but humanizing. There's nothing humanizing about Superman or Batman.

Here's an easier take: it's that bad.

Yeah, no. This movie has among the best emotional scenes presented in a CBM - with the main protagonists.

And, yes he did humanize them - made them flawed individual, rather than perfect.

Batman was too paranoid for his own good, while Superman was still dealing with how the world sees him.

 

[jmc]

Honestly, that Five for Fighting song was happier than anything Superman did in this movie.

Can we get a poll thread with no discussions stickied on the main BvS page? The last poll got closed with one of the previous threads.

 

[TripleJ]

Yep. Now we got a cool new Capullo design Batsuit out of it.

Oh, and I am sure fans are going to "enjoy" arguing about it.

Just like with the Bunnyman suit

(Honestly though, that wasn't too bad!).

 

[OneKickMan]

Wait, there's no emotion to this film? Wtheck? The first scene had more emotion behind it than most of the CBMs we've seen combined, especially w/ that score. The second scene showed what bravery is. The final act? Superman was at his best. I don't see how anybody could attack his characterization in the final battle. No other CBM has shown a character so heroic!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Honestly, that Five for Fighting song was happier than anything Superman did in this movie.

 

[Mad Love]

Perhaps people go into these movie wanting to get away from said real world.

Some. Not all.

 

[jmc]

Some. Not all.

I would argue when dealing with superheroes most are.

 

[Lighthouse]

Realism has become a cancer for comic book films.

 

[DKDetective]

It was stupid regardless. You don't kick off a universe with ASBAR Batman and kingdom.come Superman. That's just idiotic.

That's an insult to Kingdom Come Superman. Although pushed to his limits, he was still fundamentally Superman and found himself by the end of the story. This version of Superman makes little sense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait, there's no emotion to this film? Wtheck? The first scene had more emotion behind it than most of the CBMs we've seen combined, especially w/ that score. The second scene showed what bravery is. The final act? Superman was at his best. I don't see how anybody could attack his characterization in the final battle. No other CBM has shown a character so heroic!

I haven't seen it yet. But I had to pick the most "heroic" characters in a superhero flick that I have seen, I'd go with Cap in TWS, Clark Kent in Superman II, Bruce in TDK and Charles in First Class.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Honestly, that Five for Fighting song was happier than anything Superman did in this movie.

We haven't had a truly great Superman film since 1978, even over the last decade when comic book films have been ALL THE RAGE

When will guys like me get their movie?

 

[OneKickMan]

Honestly, that Five for Fighting song was happier than anything Superman did in this movie.

Spoiler

Superman flew Doomsday into a nuke. He jumped into the water to retrieve the spear. He impaled himself on Doomsday to finish him. None of that was happy, happy, but those were such awesome heroic moments!

 

[TheScarecrow]

I'm watching Superman Returns tonight.

I need a more upbeat Superman...

 

[Supernova]

Wait, there's no emotion to this film? Wtheck? The first scene had more emotion behind it than most of the CBMs we've seen combined, especially w/ that score. The second scene showed what bravery is. The final act? Superman was at his best. I don't see how anybody could attack his characterization in the final battle. No other CBM has shown a character so heroic!

Yeah Im not getting the no emotion crap ethier and most of the characters smile throughout the movie.

Cavill won me over in the third act which is stunning.

This film have plenty of hope in the moments it needed

Also alot of technical items and attention to detail were a nice addition.

 

[jmc]

I'm watching Superman Returns tonight.

I need a more upbeat Superman...

The Lego Batman movie trailer is also a decent antidote. Looks great.

 

[OneKickMan]

We haven't had a truly great Superman film since 1978, even over the last decade when comic book films have been ALL THE RAGE

When will guys like me get their movie?

Idk how you can say that when he was so awesome in the final act!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Some. Not all.

Do they not get a say because they don't agree with you?

 

[TheScarecrow]

Idk how you can say that when he was so awesome in the final act!

It was all surface, no depth.

By then the damage had well and truly been done.

 

[Mad Love]

I would argue when dealing with superheroes most are.

While I disagree because a lot of it depends on cultural trends, I would then argue that art doesn't have to cater to the majority. No art has a claim to what's "right". A particular approach may be more accepted in their time, but that never makes it the correct way and what's more accepted will inevitably change.

 

[The Joker]

Realism has become a cancer for comic book films.

The last thing I see when I look at the trailers for this movie is realism.

 

[Tony Gunk]

On a positive note I hear Affleck confirmed working with Johns on another project, good he deserves to be Batman in a solo film not directed by the poison dwarf