BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 7

[Raiden]

Just got back from the movie. I posted a reivew in the proper thread but to summarize: not good. It's certainly not Green Lantern/FFINO bad but I would dare say it's a notch or two below ASM 2. At times it can be fun, but it's still a huge mess.
Also, the DCEU drinking game should either be "take a shot every time there's a heavy-handed reference to how tough Lois Lane is" or "take a shot every time Lois Lane magically appears where she needs to be".

I hope as more people like you, flickchick, and Snow Queen have seen the movie that realized that perhaps the critics weren't really biased or have an agenda against BVS, the less people will blame Marvel for somehow created the bias among the movie reviewers in the first place (an absurd claim that I've seen posted all too often on Facebook and other social media sites).

 

[RoughNTumble]

I just got home from it.

I went it with zero expectations for it. I was determined to enjoy myself in a detached, uninvolved way. I even felt a little tingle of childhood blockbuster excitement while watching

Spoiler

the batmobile chase down that semi on the docks and bounce off of superman.

But the movie was persistent in its attempts to show me how serious and grim it was. It soured me big time with a series of events after that.

Spoiler

I don't want to watch an incredibly shocking and realistic terrorist attack that superman could have and should have stopped in any other take on this story. I don't want to watch superman and batman especially straight up trying to murder each other. No, not a scuffling between brothers, freaking bloodthirst. Then the death of superman.

Ugh. It was an exhausting experience.

I was supposed to see it again on sunday but thinking about it doesn't excite me at all and honestly I don't even want to. I would legit rather watch batman and robin. At least that movie's fun.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I just got home from it.

I went it with zero expectations for it. I was determined to enjoy myself in a detached, uninvolved way. I even felt a little tingle of childhood blockbuster excitement while watching

Spoiler

the batmobile chase down that semi on the docks and bounce off of superman.

But the movie was persistent in its attempts to show me how serious and grim it was. It soured me big time with a series of events after that.

Spoiler

I don't want to watch an incredibly shocking and realistic terrorist attack that superman could have and should have stopped in any other take on this story. I don't want to watch superman and batman especially straight up trying to murder each other. No, not a scuffling between brothers, freaking bloodthirst. Then the death of superman.

Ugh. It was an exhausting experience.

I was supposed to see it again on sunday but thinking about it doesn't excite me at all and honestly I don't even want to. I would legit rather watch batman and robin. At least that movie's fun.

Funny how that works isn't it? If you can't get a solid, well rounded, serious movie AT LEAST make it fun. I don't think anyone is particularly asking for a super fun Superman/Batman movie. It's just, that sounds better than this.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Welcome to the minority.

Dont want to go there, but the jury is out. I will come back and let you know if Jon Bernthal's Punisher compares to Ben Affleck's Batman.

 

[Stark Bauer]

That's what makes.him compelling though. A man that plunges into the filth every night but through his sheer will and morality doesn't become like the monsters he fights, even if he teeters towards the edge sometimes.

Gordon exists in this universe right? The hell would he think of a batman that became this? I'll tell you. The day batman killed is the day he'd become just another thug to Gordon. All respect lost.

this reverberates with me

 

[Stark Bauer]

It was Batman Returns that had the backlash you're talking about. My mom wouldn't let me see it because of that, whereas she had no problem with Batman '89.

right it was the scene where the penguin bites that guys nose off

 

[Poni_Boy]

Dont want to go there, but the jury is out. I will come back and let you know if Jon Bernthal's Punisher compares to Ben Affleck's Batman.

I get liking the movie, there's a lot to like if it's your thing, but making it sound like disliking it puts you in the minority is obtuse at this point in the game.

 

[titansupes]

right it was the scene where the penguin bites that guys nose off

Point of order: He doesn't bite if off, just bites it and makes it gush blood... It's disturbing, but it's not biting it off.

 

[Smilodon]

I straight up sounded like Peter Griffin at certain points in the film going, "What are you doing, Lois?"

But bleh, I went in with low expectations and still found this film to be disappointing. That being said, there were some bits that were fine. Don't think this will tank the DCCU unless JL is of similar quality. But as long as WW/SS deliver they might escape.

 

[NeoRanger]

I get liking the movie, there's a lot to like if it's your thing, but making it sound like disliking it puts you in the minority is obtuse at this point in the game.

Maybe not in the minority, but the split is real. Arbitrary scores aside, I've personally been hearing a lot more positive buzz about the movie since it opened for the general audience.

Almost nobody loving it, lest they're geeking out; but pretty much everyone I've seen are in the "it's got problems, but I had fun" camp.

 

[BatsDC]

A lot of immediate reactions will be from fans though, like in the initial fan screenings. The more telling GA reactions will arrive over the next few days

 

[NeoRanger]

A lot of immediate reactions will be from fans though, like in the initial fan screenings. The more telling GA reactions will arrive over the next few days

Maybe, but not entirely? I mean, the people I'm talking about -and I realize this is anecdotal and thus not necessarily representative- are general audience, not really fans. I think a lot of people did rush to see this movie, even if they're not strictly fans.

But I don't disagree that we need until next week, at least, before we have a solid GA consensus.

 

[sf2]

so, I just read Poni and Scarecrow's spoilers about Superman from the last thread.

wow!! just.........wow!!

and to hear that about [BLACKOUT]Jimmy Olsen[/BLACKOUT] is equally depressing and infuriating.

I'm still seeing the film this Saturday, and I'm still willing to give it a chance.

but the more I hear and read about it..............it's not good.

this thing about Superman especially just makes me sad, angry, and just disappointed overall.

U gotta see it urself.
Done 2nd viewing. It's epic n a masterpiece.
I would give 11/10 if not because of the ending .

Can't believe superman didn't get the love... from us.

 

[Quasimod0]

Tragic that Daredevil was a better Superman than Superman. Never thought I'd have to turn to Marvel to show me the Batman/superman stand off I've wanted to watch.

The debates happening between Punisher and DD are pretty close to what I wanted to see between Superman and Batman. It's sad that we never even got a good scene of just the two of them arguing ideologies like we got with Frank and Matt.

 

[sportjames23]

That's what makes.him compelling though. A man that plunges into the filth every night but through his sheer will and morality doesn't become like the monsters he fights, even if he teeters towards the edge sometimes.

Gordon exists in this universe right? The hell would he think of a batman that became this? I'll tell you. The day batman killed is the day he'd become just another thug to Gordon. All respect lost.

Funny how no other movie Gordons thought of those Batmen as thugs. I mean, they all (except Clooney) did kill in their movies.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Like I said in another thread, DC fans could/should LOVE this movie. For its imagery and world building and what have you. But they are so wrapped up in the visual comic booky smorgasbord playing out they are subconsciously using their catalog of back knowledge to fill in major, important plot points and character arcs. And then acting like it was all in the movie. Love it all you want. But understand why you love it.

That's deep and can be applied to any comic book movie. I will definitely keep this in mind when I watch it on Sunday in IMAX.

 

[jmc]

I've been thinking about the future of this franchise and I think the only way to course correct this series now is through Wonder Woman. Suicide Squad really isn't going to have that big of an impact I believe and is frankly the least important movie WB has coming up. I think in order to get people back on board for JL Wonder Woman needs to be the film that tips the balance back in their favour. As much as I think Gal Gadot still has a hell of a lot left to prove the character seemed to win a lot of people over by her mere presence in BvS, which indicates there's a strong appetite for her movie. So the burden now rests on that film. If that film is critically acclaimed then maybe that helps salvage this franchise. But first things first Snyder has to go.

 

[Stark Bauer]

"At least it has a better rating than Leprechaun 4: In Space!!1"

HEY!!!

Don't compare that monstrosity to Leprechaun in Space :P

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's deep and can be applied to any comic book movie. I will definitely keep this in mind when I watch it on Sunday in IMAX.

Hey i can fanboy out with the best of them. But you gotta at least admit when a movie isn't told well enough to work without a decade of fanboy knowledge.

 

[Poni_Boy]

A lot of immediate reactions will be from fans though, like in the initial fan screenings. The more telling GA reactions will arrive over the next few days

Yeah pretty much. I don't know many regular moviegoing folks that want to wait in line and sit in a three hour movie Thursday night with work the next day. You have to reeeeally be into the genre or characters. Or be unemployed. When Sunday rolls around we'll get a decent GA response. Next week and weekend will be the important numbers to watch.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Thank god I'm not the only one that noticed that. Thomas Wayne-- billionare-- took a swing at a mugger rather than be calm and give him his wallet... Jesus.

Wow! If that's how it happened then Snyder dropped his pants and took a hot steaming pile of sh** on Batman's comic book mythology and history

The whole point of the Wayne's death is how they tried to be peaceful and still got shot, it's like showing Uncle Ben having a go at the thug that killed him

Goes on to show how little Snyder knows about and understands these characters, recently he whined about the criticism of destruction in his movies pointing out that many planets are destroyed in Star Wars movies! Seriously, the dude went ahead and compared Darth Wader to Superman! He doesn't even realize that Supes is not a villain!

 

[Avid Avenger]

Someone I know is saying that

Spoiler

Batman and Superman don't kill...on screen. Based on what else I've read here, that doesn't seem right. Is that true?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Wow! If that's how it happened then Snyder dropped his pants and took a hot steaming pile of sh** on Batman's comic book mythology and history

The whole point of the Wayne's death is how they tried to be peaceful and still got shot, it's like showing Uncle Ben having a go at the thug that killed him

Goes on to show how little Snyder knows about and understands these characters, recently he whined about the criticism of destruction in his movies pointing out that many planets are destroyed in Star Wars movies! Seriously, the dude went ahead and compared Darth Wader to Superman! He doesn't even realize that Supes is not a villain!

Clark - Lets his father die so as not to reveal his powers to anyone which causes him to be hesitant using them throughout his life

Bruce - Watches his parents die because his father acted in rage which causes him to mimic that rage throughout his life

Very odd change to the mythology for both. Not sure where they were going with these decisions.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Someone I know is saying that

Spoiler

Batman and Superman don't kill...on screen. Based on what else I've read here, that doesn't seem right. Is that true?

False. They do.

 

[Jaxon]

I think the only thing that really bothered me in the end was the concept of Batman and Superman fighting. I bought into why but I'm a hero loving guy so it's difficult to watch for me.