The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - - - Part 18

[The Endless]

The reason Steve is mad is because as I pointed out, he is learning about how orders have changed. Gone are the days of the "right war". That is the disillusionment that leads him to the Captain American display and [BLACKOUT]Peggy's bedside[/BLACKOUT].

When Steve isn't on a mission, he has to deal and well that hurts. He is basically dwelling, and really how can he not? Dude doesn't even have friends. Where Sam and Natasha really come into play.


What do you mean by set "mindset"? The guy is conflicted throughout. As he points out, he doesn't know what the "right thing" is anymore. And who says a character has to "change" to have an arc? Steve finding resolve in who he is and his role in this world is most definitely an arc. It is exactly what happens to Tony in IM3 and you love that so much.

It's not the same as Tony's in IM3 i don't think. Steve may question things, but in the end he doesn't change. An arc is moving from point A to B or sometimes to C. It's a journey of character. Steve stays at A the whole time in my eyes.

Tony? At the start of IM3 he is a mess. A paranoid wreck who can't sleep. He obviously took Rogers' words in Avengers "you're just a man in a suit" to heart. This and the kid Haley makes him realise that he can change, he doesn't need to just be a man in the suit. So him destroying them all at the end is his catharsis.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's not the same as Tony's in IM3 i don't think. Steve may question things, but in the end he doesn't change. An arc is moving from point A to B or sometimes to C. It's a journey of character. Steve stays at A the whole time in my eyes.

I think they make it very clear in his conversation with [BLACKOUT]Fury, "Looks like your giving the orders now Cap"[/BLACKOUT] that something has changed. Steve isn't questioning, he isn't lost. He knows what he has to do, what is "right".

Tony? At the start of IM3 he is a mess. A paranoid wreck who can't sleep. He obviously took Rogers' words in Avengers "you're just a man in a suit" to heart. This and the kid Haley makes him realise that he can change, he doesn't need to just be a man in the suit. So him destroying them all at the end is his catharsis.

Tony is manic. His "mess" is put on display more visually because of this. He has panic attacks and such. Steve being more stoic doesn't mean he isn't dealing. He is simply isn't the prima donna that Tony is. Also, pretty sure lack of sleep doesn't effect the Super Soldier the same way as Tony.

But the core message is exactly the same. They both find their strength, their path in the affirmation of who they are.

 

[kosh33]

i drafted a long reply, but there is no point in prolonging this argument since it will only serve to get another warning or infractions.. so lets leave it as that
in my opinion, the villains in the MCU movies from stane to malekith have been compelling in their intentions except perhaps the crimson dynamo/whiplash who i treat at the same level as bane

 

[Whiskey Tango]

why so late WT?

It's just how everybody's schedules worked out. No biggie.

 

[Raiden]

I'm in the theatre about to see TWS in IMAX 3D. Very excited!

 

[Minxie]

I think they make it very clear in his conversation with [BLACKOUT]Fury, "Looks like your giving the orders now Cap"[/BLACKOUT] that something has changed. Steve isn't questioning, he isn't lost. He knows what he has to do, what is "right".


Tony is manic. His "mess" is put on display more visually because of this. He has panic attacks and such. Steve being more stoic doesn't mean he isn't dealing. He is simply isn't the prima donna that Tony is. Also, pretty sure lack of sleep doesn't effect the Super Soldier the same way as Tony.

But the core message is exactly the same. They both find their strength, their path in the affirmation of who they are.

Agreed. I think it's pretty clear that Steve underwent a journey in this film and changed. At the beginning he was unsure of his place and questioning everything. I think he was wondering if he'd need to bend and compromise his principles for this new world. And by the end he reaffirmed those principles and shed any doubts/uncertainty he had in the beginning. He wasn't the same person that he was at the start.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Screenrant has a list of 8 villains they want to see for Cap 3:

http://screenrant.com/captain-america-3-villains/

I don't know about Younger Zemo.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Tv Spot - Now Playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwBAdHLC8Ys

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Zemooooooo!!

 

[bluerayer]

Then lets all hope it goes to plan.

Thanks! Yeah, im going with my sister and dad, really looking forward to it. I usually go to the movies only once or twice a year. So im using this go for Cap!

I'll check back in the review thread later with my thoughts!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Zemooooooo!!

But which one?

Heinrich Zemo:

Helmut Zemo:

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Heinrich!!

 

[Mr. Dent]

Holy ****, I bet Obadiah Stane was HYDRA. It makes a lot of sense given his plans to take over Stark Industries and the fact [blackout]]Howard was murdered by HYDRA[/blackout]. Hell, it makes sense that all of the villains in the Iron Man trilogy were covertly HYDRA, and fits perfectly with the comics because of Iron Man's stories in Tales of Suspense along with Captain America. I hope they go more into that in AOU and don't just leave it up to interpretation.

 

[Son of Coul]

Stane would make a great deal of sense being in HYDRA actually. That Howard Stark revelation was really big, just brushed over amidst the information and would make sense to mention to Tony, especially if they're starting out combating Strucker in AOU. It would give him some good added motivation, even if it's in a throwaway line or implied that he now knows.

 

[Dark Raven]

Perhaps there will be some Hydra explanation as to why Howard looked different in IM, IM2 and CA:TFA.

 

[Heretic]

Holy ****, I bet Obadiah Stane was HYDRA. It makes a lot of sense given his plans to take over Stark Industries and the fact [blackout]]Howard was murdered by HYDRA[/blackout]. Hell, it makes sense that all of the villains in the Iron Man trilogy were covertly HYDRA, and fits perfectly with the comics because of Iron Man's stories in Tales of Suspense along with Captain America. I hope they go more into that in AOU and don't just leave it up to interpretation.

Considering that in Iron Man 3, there was a terrorist group who controlled high ranking government officials in an attempt to overthrow the country with their Extremis program...and in Winter Soldier/AoS there is a terrorist group controlling high ranking officials using Extremis in an attempt to overthrow governments...it wouldnt be a stretch to think that they are all connected.

 

[drod1985]

Yeah, it really would make sense if all of Tony's adversaries had Hydra connections. Stane, Senator Stern, Justin Hammer...maybe not Killian, but certainly Vice President Rodriguez. And if Hydra is a major presence in AOU Tony really needs to learn about all this. It'll add a great deal to Steve and Tony's relationship, especially if Steve broke the news to him.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Yeah, it really would make sense if all of Tony's adversaries had Hydra connections. Stane, Senator Stern, Justin Hammer...maybe not Killian, but certainly Vice President Rodriguez. And if Hydra is a major presence in AOU Tony really needs to learn about all this. It'll add a great deal to Steve and Tony's relationship, especially if Steve broke the news to him.

Killian makes the most sense really. Where do you think he got the bankroll after Tony rejected him? And don't forget in the comics AIM started out as an offshoot of HYDRA as one of their scientific divisions. AIM being connected to HYDRA in the MCU would be honoring the comics.

And on AOS we see "Centipede" experimenting with Extremis. If Centipede is really HYDRA and they're using AIM technology...not hard to put two and two together.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Helmut!

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

Screenrant has a list of 8 villains they want to see for Cap 3:

http://screenrant.com/captain-america-3-villains/

I don't know about Younger Zemo.

Apparently, they didn't realize who the baddie was in the mid-credits scene.

Spoiler

Baron Von Strucker!!!

 

[Moridin]

Sounds like a potential One-Shot to me!

Coulson hears about it and immediately rushes to the river bank and dives in. Eventually he finds the Shield, he brings it to the hospital and while Cap is still unconscious/asleep he quietly places it by Caps bed. He stays and watches Cap for a few minutes, for old times sake.

Hearing Wilson approaching in the hallway, Coulson quickly/quietly jumps out the window into Lola and flies off into the sunset, an anonymous hero.

Roll credits.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Apparently, they didn't realize who the baddie was in the mid-credits scene.

Spoiler

Baron Von Strucker!!!

I love how they actually included [BLACKOUT]his monocle[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Suzanne78]

Holy ****, I bet Obadiah Stane was HYDRA. It makes a lot of sense given his plans to take over Stark Industries and the fact [blackout]]Howard was murdered by HYDRA[/blackout]. Hell, it makes sense that all of the villains in the Iron Man trilogy were covertly HYDRA, and fits perfectly with the comics because of Iron Man's stories in Tales of Suspense along with Captain America. I hope they go more into that in AOU and don't just leave it up to interpretation.

I really, really need for

Spoiler

Bucky and Tony to meet after that revelation. That was effin' HYOOOOGE!!

 

[Dark Raven]

I love how they actually included [BLACKOUT]his monocle[/BLACKOUT].

But not

Spoiler

his bald head.

He was just a balding baddie who still had some hair.

 

[Suzanne78]

By the way, it looks like Cafe Press and Marvel have teamed up to sell some TWS goodies!

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