Contest of Marvels II Thread 2

[JewishHobbit]

Beast Vs Skullfire

Okay, so I thought that this would be difficult to win, and it will be, but it can be done. I also want to comment on how it pains me... as Skullfire has always been one of my favorate characters... but alas, he must fall.

Beast won't know anything about Skullfire, though in the 2099 universe there seems to be basic info out there of the original X-Men, so Skullfire will probably know enough about Beast to be beneficial to him. However, I really don't see how that will help him, as he can't really prepare. He'll just know that Beast is intelligent and bouncy with enhanced strength.

Like I said, Beast will know nothing of Skullfire, but he will at least have a picture of him and see that he's energy. That's enough for Beast to go off of and he has 24 hours to prepare, more than enough time. If Tim is pure energy, the first notion is that Beast can't touch him, but he's handled energy characters before and done just fine. In the "Kings of Pain" annual crossovers back around '92 or so, he went up against Proteus in his energy form with some constructed metal gloves. In Phoenix Endsong we see that he built a containment unit for the energy form of Kid Omega, and later in the series he builds a containment unit to hold the Phoenix! And therein lies his salvation!

Beast will see that his foe is energy, and being that the level of power the energy beings he's faced in the past are (Proteus, Kid Omega, Phoenix) he'll know it best to prepare for the worst (not realizing that Skullfire isn't necessarilly even in their league). He's already built machines to effect energy characters and he already has the blueprints for the machine that was to contain the Phoenix, so he doesn't even have to think about how to make it. All he has to do is figure out how to make it smaller. Once he does that then he's set.

The battle begins and we're in the Negative Zone. I don't think anything there will really be beneficial to either person (if there's no tech, then it sucks for Skullfire, but I'll have to check on that). The match will begin and Beast will know to find a place to hide as he sets up whatever he has brought with him (I figure he'll make something large, but small enough to carry into the battle. I'm thinking something like the Ghostbusters trap thingy). He'll set it up and Skullfire will be out searching for him. Skullfire is a brash man so he won't exactly be planning any major strategies. Whether he spots Beast first, or Beast spots him, I figure it'll be the same. He'll be firing away at him (perhaps being respectful out of respect to one of the legends, maybe not) and Beast will be Beast-like and dodging the blasts, leading him to the trap.

When the time is right he'll trigger the containment unit and it will suck Skullfire right into it. If he can create something to hold the Phoenix (albeit for a short time, remember though, Tim is no Phoenix), he can create something to hold Skullfire. Once he's contained he incapacitated and Beast gets the win.

The power of Preptime and experience in the right hands can fell Gods, and Skullfire is just a wittle glowing mutant.

Winner - Beast

 

[kytrigger]

Scorpion (KYTRIGGER) bio



vs.

Alex Powers (HARLEKIN) bio

Okay...tough fight for Scorpion, and one that I thought I was totally screwed on, but I have found a way for him to win.

First off powers:

Scorpion has superstrength, durability, can shoot acid or energy from his tail, cling to walls, and superhuman agility.

Alex powers can manipulate gravity. Doing this gives him a number of different abilities such as hovering, changing his density etc.

Overall, I will admit that Alex's gravity powers are better than Scorpion's powers.

HOWEVER, the Negative Zone plays a huge part in this battle. Here is a quote about one major difference the Negative Zone has to earth:

It is perhaps an issue of gravitational pull that is one of the biggest hindrances to life in the Negative Zone. While all objects of reasonably sized mass (planets, moons, asteroids, etc.) obviously have their own gravitational pull, it is weak enough to be overcome with minimal effort.

Gravty is different in the Negative Zone. While Alex's powers won't be useless, they will definately be affected. he will not only be weaker, but it is very likely that his power's will just act differnetly then he is used to. While most people would think that Alex would be able to overcome this intial hinderance (and he would), once again, the Negative Zone hurts him. Another quote on the Negative Zone:

One of the rather undocumented side-effects the Negative Zone has on people seems to involve bringing forth what are usually considered negative emotions. At this point, it is difficult to determine the cause of this unusual phenomenon, but a number of dealings with the Negative Zone have given the impression that something inherent within it can lead to emotional distress.

The severity of this distress can vary greatly. On a few occasions, it has manifested itself as a city-wide panic. Other times, it merely caused a single person to temporarily lose their hope

So not only will Aelx's powers not work properly, it will cause him to panic. Normally he would overcome this and start to think of a way to fix the problem, but the Negative Zone won't let him. The normal low level confusion and fear he would experience fomr not being able to use his powers would be compounded. His anxiety and confusion would grow much larger than usual because of the Negative Zone making it even harder for him to think of a way to actualle get back into the fight.

And while all of this is happening, Scorpion will be on his ass. And the Negative Zone would affect him too. The negative emotions that Scorpion usually has is a severe anger management problem. he gets so angry that he just attacks without caring about anythign else. Basically the Negative Zone will compound this into a sort of "berserker rage" for Scorpion. So he will not only attack Alex, but he will be absolutely vicious trying to take him and kill him as quickly as possible.

Basically, the Negative Zone hinders Alex gretaly and not only keeps him from using his powers, but cripples him emotionally. He won't even be thinking about the fight when Scorpion comes over in a complete rtage killing him effortlessly. Scorpion lucked out in teh location.

Winner- Scorpion




EDIT: Okay, I now know that this is the version of Alex that has his brother and sister's powers as well, so I will change my debate a little bit.

So Alex not only has gravity powers, but other powers as well. He can change his density so he is either a cloud or super dense(but smaller), he can fly, he can disintegrate stuff, or move at fast speeds. One very important thign to note though is that he cannot use these powers all at once. He must use only one at a time. So let's look at these powers.

Density control: He can turn into a cloud which means that Scorpion won't be able to attack him physically, but he also has no way of hurting Scorpion in this form either. ALso, it is possible that Scorpion's electric blasts from his tail could hurt him in his cloud form. Also, he can turn super dense, but is much smaller inthis form and I doubt he would hurt Scorpion in this form either due to Scorpion's super-durability.

Disentigration: Not really a problem since using this would kill Scorpion and Alex is a good guy. He would use this on a robot, but not a living being.

Speed: He can run away fast, but that's about it. He has no super-strength when using this, so he might be faster than Scorpion, but not strong enough to do any damage. Also, I don't know exactly how fast he is in this mode, but Scorpion is actualyl pretty fast himslef. Alex is faster I'm assuming, but not by a great deal.

Flight: Like speed, it is somethign that can't he can't hurt Scorpion with, it only makes Alex harder to hit.

So basically, Alex has some interesting powers, but for most of them, he cannot actually attack Scorpion with them.

Another very important thing to note is that the only one of these powers that Alex has had since birth is his gravity powers. They are the powers that he always has and uses the most. This makes sense since he would be more comfortable with these powers than the others. Like my original argument said, Alex would use his gravity powers first, and these still wouldn't work properly. The Negative Zone would still affect his main power and still cause him to become angry/afraid/confused/hopeless because of this. While he is beign engulfed in these negative emotions, Scorpion will already be attacking. And Scorpion would try and finish this quickly with a death blow.

 

[kytrigger]

OPENING COMMENTS: Alex Power vs Scorpion

Let's get one thing clear: This is Scorpion, not the Scorpion-Venom we've got these days.

I'm afraid this isn't much of a match. Scorpion is a regular get-trounced-by-Spider-Man kind of foe, and his powers just don't stand up to the versatility of powers Alex Power has. He's got control over gravity, superspeed, energy blasts and absorption, as well as the ability to control his density.

Scorpion tries to hit him? Alex can become superdense or he can just become a cloud.
Scorpion tries to fire energy at him? Alex can take it and just throw it back at him.

And that's where Scorpion's power ends.

Alex though, has such nice feats as:
- Smacks down the Sphinx, then dodges Sphinx's eye blasts only a moment later by becoming a cloud (Mass Master power) in New Warriors #49.
- Disintegrates a clipboard with a touch (Destroyer power) in New Warriors #61.
- Has a locomotive thrown at him, but he uses his anti-gravity powers to catch and fling it away without much trouble (Zero-G power) in New Warriors #69.

The simple Scorpion simply can't match up against the versatility of someone like Alex Power.

WINNER=ALEX POWER

Okay, before I really rebutt anything, I'm gonna need some more clarification on his exact powers (he's changed a number of times). I know he has added his brothers and sister's powers before, but in the 2005-06 mini, he was just Zero-G and had only his normal gravity powers I believe.

 

[Harlekin]

This is Alex Power when he was with the New Warriors, and he has all of his siblings' powers. Therefore I will wait until you've adapted your argument before I'll rebut concerning powers.

I will note though that, as you can read in the wiki article, on the effects of the NZ on emotions is largely speculation. Even though there have been some cases where emotions were amplified by the Zone, there are also numerous examples where the NZ had no effect (I can think of the time in which Spidey took on the Dusk mantle for one). Now, I'll accept the argument, but note, that for his age, Alex is an incredibly well-rounded and calm personality who has been in life-and-death situations for years now. He can handle the NZ long enough (if it even affects him) to deal with Scorpion.

WINNER=ALEX POWER

 

[kytrigger]

This is Alex Power when he was with the New Warriors, and he has all of his siblings' powers. Therefore I will wait until you've adapted your argument before I'll rebut concerning powers.

I jsut edited my first post. Just so you know, I only added stuff to where it says "edit". i didn't actualyl change anythign in the original post ( I don't like doing that in a competition)

I will note though that, as you can read in the wiki article, on the effects of the NZ on emotions is largely speculation. Even though there have been some cases where emotions were amplified by the Zone, there are also numerous examples where the NZ had no effect (I can think of the time in which Spidey took on the Dusk mantle for one). Now, I'll accept the argument, but note, that for his age, Alex is an incredibly well-rounded and calm personality who has been in life-and-death situations for years now. He can handle the NZ long enough (if it even affects him) to deal with Scorpion.

But there are also many instances where teh NZ HAS affected people. The articale even says that one of the main reason Annhilus is a threat is because of his amplified fear of death that comes from the NZ.

Another thing to note is that even though Alex is a teenager that has seen plenty in his young life, he is still a teenager. Teenagers have some of the most fragile/messed up minds to begin with and while he might be able to usually act level headed, the NZ will bring out all those emotions that he has bottled up. His teen angst will come exploding out of him and he won't be able to control it, at least not right away. By the time he did get a grip, Scorpion would already be on him and killing him. From what I know, unless Alex is super dense, he doesn't have super-durability an one good swipe from Scorpion would put him down. And yes, even though Spidey didn't get affected, Alex ain't no Spider-man .

Winner-Scorpion

 

[Harlekin]

REBUTTAL: Alex Power vs Scorpion

So Alex not only has gravity powers, but other powers as well. He can change his density so he is either a cloud or super dense(but smaller), he can fly, he can disintegrate stuff, or move at fast speeds. One very important thign to note though is that he cannot use these powers all at once. He must use only one at a time. So let's look at these powers.

He doesn't just disintegrate stuff, he can use the Destroyer power in a number of ways. Simple balls of energy that destroy, or as energy blasts. It doesn't have to be a lethal application of powers. You're also wrong on the not being able to use more than one power thing.

Using the combined powers of the Power Pack (as noted by Hindsight Lad), Alex converts the Warriors into a gaseous state, then simultaneously lifts them into the atmosphere, putting them at rest with the rotation of the earth. Basically, you've got instant teleportation. Alex hasn't broken a sweat. New Warriors #49, and one of the first times Alex uses all of the powers of his siblings.

Another example of powers used in conjunction. He uses his gravity powers to manipulate the hypergravity keeping him and Turbo down (Zero-G), and then unleashes the absorbed energy (from a page before) into power balls to knock down everyone around them and bring down the house (Destroyer). Important to note is how Alex's body shows both the Zero-G aspect (the dots) and the Destroyer aspect (glowing with energy).

Alex has very fine control over all his powers, although he overdoes it a bit with the Destroyer power there, but he can (as shown with the clipboard thing) use it with finesse. Lastly, it seems that Alex can use his powers at the same time (or at least switch up in a split second) as long as they can actually work in conjunction (so no energy blasts while being a cloud, but yes when he's using his gravity powers).

Density control: He can turn into a cloud which means that Scorpion won't be able to attack him physically, but he also has no way of hurting Scorpion in this form either. ALso, it is possible that Scorpion's electric blasts from his tail could hurt him in his cloud form. Also, he can turn super dense, but is much smaller inthis form and I doubt he would hurt Scorpion in this form either due to Scorpion's super-durability.

As I have already showed before in this debate, he smacks down the Sphinx in one of his most powerful incarnations here, in New Warriors #49. Beyond the fact that the Sphinx is certainly more durable than the Scorpion, it's also doubtful his electric blasts would have any effect in his cloud form. In New Warriors #69 and #71 he becomes a cloud to pass through a full-force attack from Firestar, and henchman energy blasts, respectively.

Disentigration: Not really a problem since using this would kill Scorpion and Alex is a good guy. He would use this on a robot, but not a living being.

As I've shown, the Destroyer power need not be lethal. Also, the Destroyer powers can be used to destroy the environment around the Scorpion, and lure him into all kinds of nasty falls or the like. Again, that's the advantage of flight.

Speed: He can run away fast, but that's about it. He has no super-strength when using this, so he might be faster than Scorpion, but not strong enough to do any damage. Also, I don't know exactly how fast he is in this mode, but Scorpion is actualyl pretty fast himslef. Alex is faster I'm assuming, but not by a great deal.

Not by a great deal? I'd like to see the Scorpion fly from America to the Middle-East in about two hours. The acceleration powers aren't very useful in am offensive capacity, but are useful for escape, and to use his other powers. As has been shown, he can at least switch between them in a quick second. Staying out of the way in the air and then dropping down superdense to knock Scorpion into the ground? Viable.

Another very important thing to note is that the only one of these powers that Alex has had since birth is his gravity powers. They are the powers that he always has and uses the most. This makes sense since he would be more comfortable with these powers than the others. Like my original argument said, Alex would use his gravity powers first, and these still wouldn't work properly. The Negative Zone would still affect his main power and still cause him to become angry/afraid/confused/hopeless because of this. While he is beign engulfed in these negative emotions, Scorpion will already be attacking. And Scorpion would try and finish this quickly with a death blow.

He has had nothing since birth, but beyond that, Alex has used all of his siblings' power at least once before this juncture, and has become increasingly experienced in using them with the New Warriors. The moment he notices that the gravity thing might not work, he can quite easily adapt. Heck, during his run with the New Warriors, the Mass Master powers (density control) are mostly shown to be his default set, and he uses those the most.

I'll respond to the Negative Zone thing in the next bit.

But there are also many instances where teh NZ HAS affected people. The articale even says that one of the main reason Annhilus is a threat is because of his amplified fear of death that comes from the NZ.

It's also said that this could be attributed to his psyche, and y'know, Annihilus has spent his entire life in the Negative Zone. Most people that enter it for an hour or so... I haven't seen them be affected.

Another thing to note is that even though Alex is a teenager that has seen plenty in his young life, he is still a teenager. Teenagers have some of the most fragile/messed up minds to begin with and while he might be able to usually act level headed, the NZ will bring out all those emotions that he has bottled up. His teen angst will come exploding out of him and he won't be able to control it, at least not right away.

Even though this particular teenager has faced down Galactus? As shown during a practically warlike situation in New Warriors #50, Alex can keep his cool and his priorities straight. I'm already on the fence on whether the Negative Zone will have ANY effect, but Alex has shown the capability of handling stress quite well. As shown here, yes, Alex has insecurities, numerous even, and he conquers them all in order to do the right thing.

By the time he did get a grip, Scorpion would already be on him and killing him. From what I know, unless Alex is super dense, he doesn't have super-durability an one good swipe from Scorpion would put him down. And yes, even though Spidey didn't get affected, Alex ain't no Spider-man .

Alex Power wouldn't come close to Scorpion without being either superdense or like a cloud, both forms in which he would not be affected by anything the Scorpion he can do.

Well, I don't necessarily agree with you hypothesis that the Zone will revert Alex to a withering little emo while it would somehow get to benefit the Scorpion. Yes, the Scorpion always quickly reverts to rage, but in an environment like the Zone (I'm using your argument here, since I don't think the Zone will matter much in this fight), he'll be reverted to a whimpering child. That man has so many insecurities and psychological problems. At the basis of Scorpion's mind is not an anger management problem, but an inferiority complex. That will only be strenghtened when he gets his ass beat by Alex Power.

WINNER=ALEX POWER

 

[Darthphere]

Match 1:

Spiral (WIEGEABO) bio



vs.

Brimstone Love (DARTHPHERE) bio

Wow, Spiral sucks. Fact. Like the worst character in Marvel vs Capcom. Moving on to breakdowns:

Spiral: Ricochet Rita was captured by Mojo and twisted, physically and psychically, into a six-armed, sword-wielding sorceress/teleporter

Brimstone Love: superhuman strength and generation of fire, magma, light, and heat

This is actually a pretty good fight really. Spiral will need her sorceress powers to work here in any hope of defeating my boy Brimstone, who still stands as the coolest name in this tournament. Fact guys. Dont hate, *********e. Anyway, yeah Brimstone beats Spiral, heres why.

Spiral will not have time to get any of her powers working. Brimstone likes to hit hard and fast, seriously this guy is evil, he will rip her in half. Any time table that Spiral would have to get a spell or somehting going would be gone. He'll generate fire, magma, blinding flashes of light and utterly decimate Spiral.

Its Spiral's fault for being such a crappy character in Marvel vs Capcom.

Brimstone Love wins.

 

[wiegeabo]

Wow, Spiral sucks. Fact. Like the worst character in Marvel vs Capcom. Moving on to breakdowns:

Spiral: Ricochet Rita was captured by Mojo and twisted, physically and psychically, into a six-armed, sword-wielding sorceress/teleporter

Brimstone Love: superhuman strength and generation of fire, magma, light, and heat

This is actually a pretty good fight really. Spiral will need her sorceress powers to work here in any hope of defeating my boy Brimstone, who still stands as the coolest name in this tournament. Fact guys. Dont hate, *********e. Anyway, yeah Brimstone beats Spiral, heres why.

Spiral will not have time to get any of her powers working. Brimstone likes to hit hard and fast, seriously this guy is evil, he will rip her in half. Any time table that Spiral would have to get a spell or somehting going would be gone. He'll generate fire, magma, blinding flashes of light and utterly decimate Spiral.

Its Spiral's fault for being such a crappy character in Marvel vs Capcom.

Time is no enemy of Spiral. Only if she was attempting a complicated spell like inter-dimensional or time travel, would she need the time to weave her dance.

But in a fight, she needs no more than a gesture. In less than a second, with just a flick of a few wrists, Spiral will have Brimstone Love powerless and helpless. And she will have all the time she needs to finish him off however she sees fight.

Spiral wins

 

[Darthphere]

Time is no enemy of Spiral. Only if she was attempting a complicated spell like inter-dimensional or time travel, would she need the time to weave her dance.

But in a fight, she needs no more than a gesture. In less than a second, with just a flick of a few wrists, Spiral will have Brimstone Love powerless and helpless. And she will have all the time she needs to finish him off however she sees fight.

Spiral wins

Brimstone Love with his cool name has survived worse. And like I said, Spiral sucks, I hate her, she made me lose once in Marvel vs Capcom. I lost $50. She sucks.

 

[Phaedrus45]

NEW OPENING ARGUMENT FOR KLAW vs. Famine:

Ok, I've been thinking this one over all day, and I realized I didn't think this match out clear enough. Due to the location, Famine has this match won, actually.

First, I want to point out one important factor in Klaw's Bio:

"Klaw possesses a number of superhuman physical powers stemming from his body's conversion into an extra-physical energy form. In some as yet unknown way, Klaw's body is a stable energy form possessing mass and sentience."

So, that got me thinking. If Klaw's body is entirely made up of the energy from Earth 616, and "all matter in the Negative Zone is negatively charged," it would stand to reason that one cannot exist in the other. Now, the 616 is slowly eating away at the Negative Zone, as many of us know. But, I started to think what would happen to a being of this energy entering the Negative Zone, and I think that being would end up getting eliminated right away.

After not finding much information online, I knew I needed a more definitive answer from someone who might know. I asked on the discussion thread about how 616 energy would be effected by this negative energy. Here is the answer I received from Wiegeabo:

Well, in the real world, if the Negative Zone was really an anti-matter universe, then interacting with matter would not be good. Every particle of matter would annihilate its anti-matter counterpart in a massiv release of energy in the form of intense radiation and exotic particles.

A big boom.

And even if it's just an anti-energy universe, energy is just particles/waves. As particles, you'd get the same annihilation, and the waves would just cancel eachother out. It's more complicated than that, but it's so hard to visualize what happens at the quantum level of energy.

From what I gather and my belief before asking this question, I think Klaw would basically go BOOM! He's dead, he's eliminated without Famine even having to attempt to fight. Famine had a bad luck of the draw in getting Klaw to fight....but, worse yet, Klaw got the bad luck of the draw in getting this location. A being made entirely out of this energy simply wouldn't survive in this negatively-charged atmosphere.

Winner = Famine

 

[Phaedrus45]

Debating Is Over!!!

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Harlekin]

Spiral
Famine - Although I don't agree with your explosion theory, but you debated
Skullfire
Alex Power

 

[hippy fascist]

Beast (I loved the concept of containment!)

Famine (ridiculous but it's still a debate, shame on you DHR!)

Spiral (pwned)

Alex Power (scorpion sucks and the debate did nothing to change my mind)

 

[wiegeabo]

Spiral
Klaw (Even though it should happen, in comic reality everyone from 616 should explode in an anti-matter universe. But it was a hell of an idea and almost got me.)
Skullfire
Alex Power (good try with Scorion though. Better debate than I thought was possible )

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Spiral

*Famine

*Skullfire

*Alex Powers

 

[kytrigger]

Spiral
Famine-don't really believe the debate either, but since DHR hasn't been online in a week he wouldn't have been able to debate your new post anyway.
Scorpion
skullfire

 

[Zoken]

Spiral

Famine

Skullfire

Alex Powers

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Spiral currently beating Brimstone Love 6-0
Famine currently beating Klaw 5-1
Skullfire currently beating Beast 5-1
Alex Powers currently beating Scorpion 5-1

 

[DarkHellRider]

Spiral
klaw-sorry guys we had a power outage near where I live just got turned back on it sucked
Skullfire
scorpion

 

[primemover]

Spiral
Famine
Skullfire
Alex Powers

 

[Phaedrus45]

bump

 

[JewishHobbit]

Brimestone Love
Beast
Klaw
Alex Powers

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Spiral
Famine
Skullfire
Alex Powers

 

[Midnight Ice]

Spiral
Famine
Skullfire
Alex Powers

 

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Spiral beat Brimstone Love 10-1
Famine beat Klaw 8-3
Skullfire beat Beast 9-2
Alex Powers beat Scorpion 9-2