Contest of Marvels II Thread 3

[Iceman]

OPENING COMMENTS: DEATHBIRD Vs BALDER

Powers

Like all Asgardians, Balder possesses superhuman strength, endurance and longevity (courtesy of the Golden Apples of Idun). Balder is also a highly skilled weapons master and tactician, and has been entrusted with several special missions by Odin. Being the Asgardian god of light, Balder can also generate intense light in a wide arc.

Deathbird is a mutant of the Shi'ar species; she has superhuman strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, and durability.

Deathbird's fingernails are essentially talons which can score steel and tear through substances such as bone and tissue easily.
Aside from her natural physical advantages, Deathbird is a formidably trained warrior of great cunning and skill.

Superhuman strength and resistance to injury,
Flight,
Razor-sharp talons

Prep time
I'm not sure what resources Balder will have at his disposal and what he will know of/be able to find out on Deathbird so I won't speculate. Deathbird, at one point the Majestrix of the Shiarr Empire, will have access to the full range of futuristic Shiarr technology, as used by Xavier to power and defend the X-Mansion. This would include energy based weapons, hologram, cloaking and teleportation technology. She would also be able to find out from the comprehensive Shiarr databases that Balder is the Asgardian God of light so she would be forewarned that the use of light powers is likely. Given this it is possible that some form of Shiarr technology may exist that she can use to deflect the light.

Location
Being capable of flight, Deathbird is a lot more mobile than Balder, and will therefore be able to move the location of the fight to one that suits her.

The Battle
Both characters have great strength and durability and are very skilled warriors. Balder has the advantage of being able to generate light. However, Deathbird has the edge on speed, agility and reflexes and can also fly. This will be a battle of attrition as it will take a lot of blows to bring down either character. I'll leave it to voters to decide how much of an impact the teleportation, hologram and cloaking technologies could have but I feel they would be very useful in disorienting her opponent and giving her the continual advantage of surprise.

Even without them, the superior Shiarr energy based weaponry and the ability to evade and regroup through flight whenever she chooses gives Deathbird the crucial advantage. Balder may come off better in some of the exchanges but he will never be able to finish her off before she can retreat. Whenever she is on top in an exchange she will hang around to maximise her advantage until he recovers. The one time that he looks particularly vulnerable (this will take many, many exchanges before we get to this point) will be the time she attempts to press home her advantage.

Conclusion
A very tough battle between an Asgardian and the one time leader of an advanced futuristic alien empire but Deathbird would eventually bring down Balder after many glorious exchanges.

WINNER= DEATHBIRD

 

[Iceman]

edit - posted by accident!

 

[Iceman]

OPENING COMMENTS: BLOB Vs RICTOR

Blob (ICEMAN/PSYLOCKE) bio

vs.

Richter (DARTHPHERE) bio

Powers

Rictor - currently powerless. Formerly capable of releasing seismic energy through his fingertips, using it to create earthquakes, shockwaves or otherwise transport earth matter.

Blob - He had superhuman strength and great resistance to physical injury. The Blob's highly elastic blubbery skin had proven to be difficult to penetrate by gunfire, missiles, and even Wolverine's claws; though with sufficient force the claws could lacerate his flesh. On one occasion, a concentrated optic blast fired by Cyclops was sufficient to puncture a hole through his shoulder, much to the shock of Dukes himself. He could also alter his personal gravity field to make him virtually immovable, although an incredible force (such as the Juggernaut or Colossus) could uproot him, along with a chunk of whatever he was standing on (the only beings on record to have been able to lift the Blob against his wishes are the Incredible Hulk and Strong Guy). Despite his morbidly obese appearance, his agility was the same as that of a fairly athletic male of normal stature, a fact which frequently caught his opponents by surprise.
The Blob had superhuman strength which had greatly increased over the years, in a manner very similar to that of the Thing. This improvement was said to be a result of his ongoing mutation.

Prep time
Both characters would know a fair amount about each other's abilities without the need for research.

Location
Blob's physique means that he is a lot more resistant to extreme conditions than the average mutant which is obviously an advantage in this location.

The Battle
Despite Rictor's range of attacks, he will have trouble harming Blob. Unfortunately for him, He does not have any real defence to Blob's striking power.

Conclusion
Blob's blubber blatantly blocks blasts & bludgeons bloody (Bl)rictor.

WINNER = BLOB

 

[wiegeabo]

Warlock vs The Answer

This is going to be some kind of crazy fight. I doubt Answer will get any information on Warlock, but Warlock should be able to interface with computer systems around the world to get info on Answer. (If not, he probably won't have any info either.)

The Answer's biggest advantage is the ability to adapt to any situation (consciously and unconsciously). Warlock's biggest advantage...is the ability to adapt to any situation!

That's right. Both characters will be continously adapting to the adaptations of their opponent. But Warlock should still have the edge in this fight. Why?

Well, being a techno-organic being, Warlock should be able to respond to situations and adaptations much faster that Answer. Warlock can repair himself from any injury. He can even spread himself by 'feeding' on the surrounding area to make himself stronger. And if he infects Answer with his virus, he'll convert him into a techno-organic being that he can control.

No doubt this will be a great fight to see, but Warlock will take it.

Warlock wins

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Powers
Prep time
I'm not sure what resources Balder will have at his disposal and what he will know of/be able to find out on Deathbird so I won't speculate. Deathbird, at one point the Majestrix of the Shiarr Empire, will have access to the full range of futuristic Shiarr technology, as used by Xavier to power and defend the X-Mansion. This would include energy based weapons, hologram, cloaking and teleportation technology. She would also be able to find out from the comprehensive Shiarr databases that Balder is the Asgardian God of light so she would be forewarned that the use of light powers is likely. Given this it is possible that some form of Shiarr technology may exist that she can use to deflect the light.

Balder would have access to all of Asgard including things like the scrying pool and King Thor's counsel. The shiarr have never had contact with Asgard besides Thor so how would she know what powers Balder had outside of what mythology stated.

Plus yes they both have superhuman strength, but whereas one has the strength to lift 6 tons (Deathbird) the other is at least class 35.

Power wise she does not box in the same category. Plus his skin is bullet proof not to mention he does wear full armour.

Just one more thing, if she has access to all shiarr technology then Blader has access to all Asgard has to offer including healing potions, and magical weapons.

I also doubt she is faster then him as he has Asgardian Godly speed and she as Marvel states can fly at a:

"maximum speed through an Earth-type atmosphere of 63 miles per hour"

Location
Being capable of flight, Deathbird is a lot more mobile than Balder, and will therefore be able to move the location of the fight to one that suits her.

Yes I will agree she is more mobile in so far that she can fly.

The Battle
Both characters have great strength and durability and are very skilled warriors.

The difference being one can lift 6 tons and the other 35 meaning Balder is 5 times as strong as Deathbird. Being 5 times as strong makes an enormous difference in such a battle.

Balder has the advantage of being able to generate light. However, Deathbird has the edge on speed, agility and reflexes and can also fly.

Balder has the advantage in strength, experience, battle strategy and it is not cretain at all that Deathbird would have an speed or reflex advantages. She can fly at 63 mph which does not set any landspeed records. Just to state something, in the real world we live in, the top speed reached by Maurice Geen was 27 mph. Therefore Deathbird is just a little bit more then 3 times as fast as a normal human. Balder is at least more then 3 times as fast as a human. She also may have the same reflexes as Balder and again I say may because she has never shown reflexes of any level that would be impressive to an Asgardian.

I do admit she may be more agile as she is built for flight but I even state this with some doubt.

This will be a battle of attrition as it will take a lot of blows to bring down either character. I'll leave it to voters to decide how much of an impact the teleportation, hologram and cloaking technologies could have but I feel they would be very useful in disorienting her opponent and giving her the continual advantage of surprise.

First of all, one blow from Balder would be all it takes to take down Deathbird. Lillandra took her out and given her level of powers which are far inferiour to Balder's it should be not very difficult of him to dispose of her.

Even without them, the superior Shiarr energy based weaponry and the ability to evade and regroup through flight whenever she chooses gives Deathbird the crucial advantage. Balder may come off better in some of the exchanges but he will never be able to finish her off before she can retreat. Whenever she is on top in an exchange she will hang around to maximise her advantage until he recovers. The one time that he looks particularly vulnerable (this will take many, many exchanges before we get to this point) will be the time she attempts to press home her advantage.

Balder can with little difficulty clip this bird's winds and being the consummate warrior he is will have no qualms in doing so. He is by far her superiour in almost every category. He will also have Asgardian weaponry to counter hers. Plus one last point, if she were to use anergy based weaponry, weaponry which uses LIGHT as a weapon (beams or no more then intense rays of light), she would be playing into the hands of the God of Light.

Conclusion

Balder is considerably more powerful then this ruler who had been defeated many a time by Lillandra. She would not have her guard to protect her and without it she will be extremely vulnerable. Balder will dispose of her and return to Asgard the victor.

WINNER= BALDER

 

[Midnight Ice]

Warlock - M Tech (WIEGEABO) bio



vs.

The Answer (MIDNIGHT ICE) bio

Ok, I totally agree with wiegeabo when he says that this would be an awesome fight to see.

Both characters have the ability to adapt to any given situation, which would lead the fight into a countless number of ways. While Warlock can infect The Answer with the virus, which I would say is his best chance of winning, The Answer os able to turn himself into pure energy. I may be wrong, but I don't think Warlock could infect him like that.

Using that along with the place they are fighting, The Answer would come up victorious.

Winner: The Answer

 

[wiegeabo]

Ok, I totally agree with wiegeabo when he says that this would be an awesome fight to see.

Both characters have the ability to adapt to any given situation, which would lead the fight into a countless number of ways. While Warlock can infect The Answer with the virus, which I would say is his best chance of winning, The Answer os able to turn himself into pure energy. I may be wrong, but I don't think Warlock could infect him like that.

Using that along with the place they are fighting, The Answer would come up victorious.

Winner: The Answer

I thought of the energy solution to. And darn you for thinking of it.

Warlock can repair from any attacks an energy-Answer can dish out. And Warlock could adapt his sensors to detect Answer when he's energy, and then just change so he can absorb Answer.

Warlock wins

 

[Iceman]

Surprisingly my character this week which is battling is an Asgardian....I am guessing Iceman/Psylocke is just shaking his head.

I would complain but I quite like the Asgardians.

Now Deathbird is pretty strong and a good warrior but she is up against Balder, the Asgardian God of Light. Not only is he a supreme warrior with great intelligence, he also has the ability to project very bright lights.

True.

So basically, we have Balder, who is stronger, more invulnerable, and more experienced and lest I forget he will be wearing armour and carrying a sword that he is an expert in using.

Both characters will be wearing armour and be experts in the weapons they choose to use. When weapons are being used, bench-pressing strength is less useful than speed and range. As for being more invulnerable, you'd need to point out the weaknesses of Shi'ar armour to illustrate what this is based on.

Balder will be able to get information on Deathbird but it is doubtful the Deathbird will have much information on him outside of mythological references.

The mythological references will include that he is the God of Light which is the only information which could have been useful anyway. She will know that some form of light attack is inevitable and that she will have to be cautious and only get in close when she is confident that he is on the defensive.

The area will also affect her more then him as he is used to extreme temperatures given his travels in the realm of Asgard.

If any database has record of the location it is the Shi'ar database which records details of events and locations all around the galaxy. Shi'ar armour should also protect against the rigours of the location although, as you say, I doubt Balder will be troubled by the location either.

This battle will be short and sweet. Balder will use his light powers to blind deathbird and then will take her out using his sword. There is nothing she can do to harm him and everything he can do to take her out.

I feel you are underestimating my character severely. Her lifetime of battle strategy means that she isn't going to divebomb Balder from the word go wide-eyed waiting to be blinded by a beam of light (that she expects) and be cut down at close range. This is what your strategy seems to suggest.

She knows she is up against someone who could put her down if she makes a wrong move so she will be ultra cautious.

Aside from tactics I have already discussed I will add two further points that may influence the battle:

Berserker- Deathbird can go berserk to increase her endurance and fighting skills, but only once per day.

At Berserker level Deathbird is a completely different proposition and there is no way that Balder will know of this. Many of Balder's advantages will become negligible while Deathbird's advantages will become more pronounced.

Shi'ar Javelins, which extend to 3-feet in length and can be thrown with deadly force. Deathbird has also used a javelin that releases a noxious gas on impact. Some javelins can project blasts of electricity when the tips of two javelins touch each other.

Deathbird can carry a weight of up to 290 pounds while in flight and she will use this to carry as many javelins as she chooses strapped to her back. They do not all have to result in a direct hit but it gives her a useful long range attack from a safe position to keep him at bay and attack him if he gets too close. To lighten the burden she will use a few early on to weaken him through the effects of the gases and any injuries caused by the javelins or the electrical impact. With Deathbird in Berserker mode and Balder weakened by the effect of the javelins the fight will take on a new direction. Deathbird will ensure that she keeps at least one javelin ready so that Balder is forced to keep his distance for the duration of the fight.

WINNER = DEATHBIRD

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Both characters will be wearing armour and be experts in the weapons they choose to use. When weapons are being used, bench-pressing strength is less useful than speed and range. As for being more invulnerable, you'd need to point out the weaknesses of Shi'ar armour to illustrate what this is based on.

To be honest I have no source that analyses Shi'ar armor. But I would like to point out that Balder's weapons are magical/mystical in nature and he is as an Asgardian inately invulnerable. In fact, he had a spell cast on him which prevented any harm coming unto him, by Frigga.

The mythological references will include that he is the God of Light which is the only information which could have been useful anyway. She will know that some form of light attack is inevitable and that she will have to be cautious and only get in close when she is confident that he is on the defensive.

I give you that one but Balder can blind her using light.

If any database has record of the location it is the Shi'ar database which records details of events and locations all around the galaxy. Shi'ar armour should also protect against the rigours of the location although, as you say, I doubt Balder will be troubled by the location either.

The Galaxy yes....the Microverse no

I feel you are underestimating my character severely. Her lifetime of battle strategy means that she isn't going to divebomb Balder from the word go wide-eyed waiting to be blinded by a beam of light (that she expects) and be cut down at close range. This is what your strategy seems to suggest.

Balder is a God and warrior and has millenia of years of experience. I was summarising something which our feeble minds as humans could never describe ...

Seriously, he is much more experienced then her and what I summarised is just one method of things that could happen.

She knows she is up against someone who could put her down if she makes a wrong move so she will be ultra cautious.

That is all good but ultra catious still does not make one invisible nor invulnerable.

Aside from tactics I have already discussed I will add two further points that may influence the battle:
At Berserker level Deathbird is a completely different proposition and there is no way that Balder will know of this. Many of Balder's advantages will become negligible while Deathbird's advantage will become more pronounced.

If she went into Berserker mode, she would be playing into his hands as she would no longer be cautious at all and he could being as fast, still considerably stronger and more skillfull with his weapons take her down quite quickly.

Deathbird can carry a weight of up to 290 pounds while in flight and she will use this to carry as many javelins as she chooses strapped to her back. They do not all have to result in a direct hit but it gives her a useful long range attack from a safe position to keep him at bay and attack him if he gets too close. To lighten the burden she will use a few early on to weaken him through the effects of the gases and any injuries caused by the javelins or the electrical impact. With Deathbird in Berserker mode and Balder weakened by the effect of the javelins the fight will take on a new direction. Deathbird will ensure that she keeps at least one javelin ready so that Balder is forced to keep his distance for the duration of the fight.

First of there, is no certitude that the javelins could harm Balder.... Is there anything you can show that say they would? And also Balder would be able to blind her making javelin throwing ineffective.

WINNER = BALDER

 

[Iceman]

REBUTTAL: DEATHBIRD Vs BALDER

Balder would have access to all of Asgard including things like the scrying pool and King Thor's counsel. The shiarr have never had contact with Asgard besides Thor so how would she know what powers Balder had outside of what mythology stated.

Not sure that he can use Thor's counsel. Mythological references are sufficient for Deathbird to know that he is the God of Light ie at a wild guess generally powerful (stong, a good fighter, hard to damage etc with some light based powers). The lack of contact between the worlds that you reference will make it difficult to find out sufficient info on the Shi'ar as well.

Plus yes they both have superhuman strength, but whereas one has the strength to lift 6 tons (Deathbird) the other is at least class 35.

Power wise she does not box in the same category.

This difference is admittedly accurate

In terms of (bench) pressing ability, Balder has the edge.

Plus his skin is bullet proof not to mention he does wear full armour.

She will be wearing advanced Shi'ar body armour designed for the Majestrix of the Empire which puts them at a similar level in terms of resistance.

Just one more thing, if she has access to all shiarr technology then Blader has access to all Asgard has to offer including healing potions, and magical weapons.

The difference is that she is in an elevated position within the Sh'iar empre while Balder is an ordinary resident of Asgard. She will already have access to these things within her own chambers.

I also doubt she is faster then him as he has Asgardian Godly speed and she as Marvel states can fly at a:

"maximum speed through an Earth-type atmosphere of 63 miles per hour"

Yes I will agree she is more mobile in so far that she can fly.

We aren't in an earth-type atmosphere here, and flight speed (rather than running speed) will obviously vary according to the gravitational field of the planet so it becomes difficult to compare. Due to flight, Balder will not be able to use his speed as he cannot get near her so it is only a factor if Deathbird is faster. His level of agility and reflexes (rather than speed) will be tested when trying to avoid Deathbird's attacks.

The difference being one can lift 6 tons and the other 35 meaning Balder is 5 times as strong as Deathbird. Being 5 times as strong makes an enormous difference in such a battle.

The ability to fly against being completely grounded also makes a huge difference. It means that she can choose when the fight takes place and back away every single time she has even the smallest doubts. If he raises an eyebrow she heads to the hills (after hurling a javelin at him). Also her Berserker mode will make the gap in raw strength negligible.

Balder has the advantage in strength, experience, battle strategy and it is not cretain at all that Deathbird would have an speed or reflex advantages. She can fly at 63 mph which does not set any landspeed records. Just to state something, in the real world we live in, the top speed reached by Maurice Geen was 27 mph. Therefore Deathbird is just a little bit more then 3 times as fast as a normal human. Balder is at least more then 3 times as fast as a human. She also may have the same reflexes as Balder and again I say may because she has never shown reflexes of any level that would be impressive to an Asgardian.

She has been noted for her superior reflexes on many occassions and every bio I have seen makes reference to them as an ability. I'm not saying that Balder does not also have quick reflexes.

I do admit she may be more agile as she is built for flight but I even state this with some doubt.

First of all, one blow from Balder would be all it takes to take down Deathbird. Lillandra took her out and given her level of powers which are far inferiour to Balder's it should be not very difficult of him to dispose of her.

Lilandra did not take her out with one blow and Deathbird also beat her to take her empire. This is not a meaningful comparison as Lilandra also has other powers including telepathy that Balder does not have.

Balder can with little difficulty clip this bird's winds and being the consummate warrior he is will have no qualms in doing so. He is by far her superiour in almost every category. He will also have Asgardian weaponry to counter hers. Plus one last point, if she were to use anergy based weaponry, weaponry which uses LIGHT as a weapon (beams or no more then intense rays of light), she would be playing into the hands of the God of Light.

I don't see why this will occur with little difficulty. I don't claim to know how easy/difficult it would be to achieve this feat and unless Balder can fly, he needs her to be submissively bent over in position awaiting her punishment for this to happen. Unlikely.

Also, as we have discussed so far, noone is claiming (until now) that either character is superior in almost every category and I don't see why that approach has changed. They each have advantages in different areas.

As for having Asgardian weaponry, I see no reason why he wouldn't and accept that it will be useful in countering her efforts.

The energy takes the form of electricity within the weapon rather than an external force that comes off as light. Knowing that he is the God of light, she would be wary of using any weapon that uses light, and the Shi'ar weapons do not fall into this category anyway.

Balder is considerably more powerful then this ruler who had been defeated many a time by Lillandra. She would not have her guard to protect her and without it she will be extremely vulnerable. Balder will dispose of her and return to Asgard the victor.

He is likely to be overconfident and completely unaware that Deathbird has a berserker mode. I still don't see how he can attack Deathbird unless she shooses to approach him so the whole fight rests on when Deathbird decides to make her attacks and retreats. At least she has some long range options to wear him down before the battle even really starts.

I do agree with the part that Balder will return to Asgard

Remember that Deathbird trained many other notable Shi'ar such as Gladiator so in conclusion, I don't feel that you are giving a fair account of her chances in this match.

WINNER= DEATHBIRD

 

[Iceman]

REBUTTAL: DEATHBIRD Vs BALDER

To be honest I have no source that analyses Shi'ar armor. But I would like to point out that Balder's weapons are magical/mystical in nature and he is as an Asgardian inately invulnerable. In fact, he had a spell cast on him which prevented any harm coming unto him, by Frigga.

OK. My only assertion is that her Majestrix Shi'ar armour puts her in the same ballpark in terms of resistance.

I give you that one but Balder can blind her using light.

t: That isn't really "giving it to me". If Deathbird knows in advance that light effects are likely (which is what I think you are saying) all she needs is a conventinonal helmet with visor to protect her form the blinding effects. The Shi'ar tech is likely to include something more appropraite and effective than I am capable of describing. Any material with reflective or amplification abilities for example and Balder's powers will be used against him in even stronger waves. A helmet that has these properties while allowing Deathbird to see would prove invaluable and if you look at the relatively basic Shi'ar tech used by Xavier in defending the X-Mansion (eg the ultra realistic holograms in the modern Danger Room) it is obvious that this kind of thing is is no way a stretch.

The Galaxy yes....the Microverse no

That's why I say "If any". It's quite possible that there is no reference on any database to this location (although Phaedrus may argue - see Baron Mordo battle )

Balder is a God and warrior and has millenia of years of experience. I was summarising something which our feeble minds as humans could never describe ...

Seriously, he is much more experienced then her and what I summarised is just one method of things that could happen.

I know he has more experience than Deathbird (and more than my feeble mind could describe). If you look at the point I was responding to, I was just making note that given her own level of experience, she wouldn't be divebombing Balder with little regard for the consequences as your strategy seemed to suggest.

That is all good but ultra catious still does not make one invisible nor invulnerable.

Yes I agree it is all good. :smiley limit reached:

Ultra cautious will serve her well. Invulnerable no, extremely durable and resistant with the bonus of the most advanced Shi'ar armour fitting for the Majestrix of the Empire, yes.

Again the "ultra cautious" reference was a response to your opinion that she might dive in with no regard rather than a suggested method by which she will win the battle.

If she went into Berserker mode, she would be playing into his hands as she would no longer be cautious at all and he could being as fast, still considerably stronger and more skillfull with his weapons take her down quite quickly.

We've already determined that she is going to be ultra cautious. Deathbird's berserker mode is not like Wolverine's where brains suddenly go out the window and pure aggression takes over. It greatly increases most of her attributes such as strength, endurance and fighting skills. She uses this regularly (under the maximum limit of once per day) and is under control when she uses it.

First of there, is no certitude that the javelins could harm Balder.... Is there anything you can show that say they would? And also Balder would be able to blind her making javelin throwing ineffective.

Any of the noxious gases, the electrical impact and the impact of the javelin may have an impact but obviously both of our attack strategies are based on speculation and neither can be proven as neither of these characters have fought against similar opponents or been attacked with similar weapons before.


More importantly "certitude" is on the list of illegal words in COM II so I claim victory by default.

WINNER = DEATHBIRD


I'm not sure how much there is left to say here so I commend you on an interesting debate, regardless of which character progresses.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

REBUTTAL: DEATHBIRD Vs BALDER[/U]

OK. My only assertion is that her Majestrix Shi'ar armour puts her in the same ballpark in terms of resistance.

I am not so sure but then to be honest I am not the biggest expert on Shi'ar armor. One thing she does not seem to cover her face with the armor making her head very vulnerable. The other thing I do not know, is how effective Shi'ar armor is against magical weapons.

t: That isn't really "giving it to me". If Deathbird knows in advance that light effects are likely (which is what I think you are saying) all she needs is a conventinonal helmet with visor to protect her form the blinding effects. The Shi'ar tech is likely to include something more appropraite and effective than I am capable of describing. Any material with reflective or amplification abilities for example and Balder's powers will be used against him in even stronger waves. A helmet that has these properties while allowing Deathbird to see would prove invaluable and if you look at the relatively basic Shi'ar tech used by Xavier in defending the X-Mansion (eg the ultra realistic holograms in the modern Danger Room) it is obvious that this kind of thing is is no way a stretch.

I have not seen it so I am not going to assume there is a helmet which allows her to see yet blocks all light input.

That's why I say "If any". It's quite possible that there is no reference on any database to this location (although Phaedrus may argue - see Baron Mordo battle )

I am not saying it would not be in some databases just the Shi'ar's...

I know he has more experience than Deathbird (and more than my feeble mind could describe). If you look at the point I was responding to, I was just making note that given her own level of experience, she wouldn't be divebombing Balder with little regard for the consequences as your strategy seemed to suggest.

She may be more intelligent then that, I grant you, but she has limited aways to hurt him.

[Out of Battle]By the way, when I said the word feeble it was for both of us relatzive toa fictional being living for millenia and no way was it a reflection on our actual intelligence levels. I apologise if any offense was taken.[/Out of Battle]

Ultra cautious will serve her well. Invulnerable no, extremely durable and resistant with the bonus of the most advanced Shi'ar armour fitting for the Majestrix of the Empire, yes.

Again, I will state that Balder's weapons are mystical in nature

We've already determined that she is going to be ultra cautious. Deathbird's berserker mode is not like Wolverine's where brains suddenly go out the window and pure aggression takes over. It greatly increases most of her attributes such as strength, endurance and fighting skills. She uses this regularly (under the maximum limit of once per day) and is under control when she uses it.

To be honest, I do not quite get that. If she is BERSERKER mode she should be less cautious. Or that term is severely misused.

Any of the noxious gases, the electrical impact and the impact of the javelin may have an impact but obviously both of our attack strategies are based on speculation and neither can be proven as neither of these characters have fought against similar opponents or been attacked with similar weapons before.

Very well said

More importantly "certitude" is on the list of illegal words in COM II so I claim victory by default.

Not so sure that used in the way I did equates to an automatic loss but of course there is no certitude either way ....dam I did it again

WINNER = BALDER

I'm not sure how much there is left to say here so I commend you on an interesting debate, regardless of which character progresses.

As always, I commend you as well and am willing to leave the debate for the voters to decide. Of course, there is no certitude who will win ...damn cannot ged rid of that word

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I will just rebut a few points here:

REBUTTAL: DEATHBIRD Vs BALDERNot sure that he can use Thor's counsel. Mythological references are sufficient for Deathbird to know that he is the God of Light ie at a wild guess generally powerful (stong, a good fighter, hard to damage etc with some light based powers). The lack of contact between the worlds that you reference will make it difficult to find out sufficient info on the Shi'ar as well.

I am not sure either but will leave it to the voters to decide. One thing should be noted. In Mythology, Balder is a a son of Odin and in Marvel is a very close friend of Thor.

He is also very prominent in the Nordic pantheon.

To be very complete here are her powers:

Known Powers:


Berserker: Deathbird can go berserk to increase her endurance and fighting skills, but only once per day.
Claws: Deathbird has claw-like nails that can be used in fight, except when flying.
Natural winged flight, able to reach 63 mph. Maximum 6 hours of flight, without extra weight. Maximum load, 330 pounds. Notably, she must have her arms free, but she might use her hands while flying. Her wings are sharp spurs that can be used to fight while on flight.


Strength Level: Lift 6 tons in Earth gravity. She can carry 290 pounds in flight.

The one thing to note uis that her berserker mode increases her fighting skills and endurance but not her strength. something at which she is at a great disadvantage, meaning she could not block a sword swung at her with Balder's strength. Plus it is limited in time.

 

[Iceman]

(NOT A REBUTTAL)

..but I will just point out that the list of powers above is not incorrect but misses a few attributes that are listed in my original debate. Aside from that I'm done.

[Out of Battle]By the way, when I said the word feeble it was for both of us relatzive toa fictional being living for millenia and no way was it a reflection on our actual intelligence levels. I apologise if any offense was taken.[/Out of Battle]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Don't worry, I'm not that oversensitive. I don't take offence too easily and I also realised at the time that you were obviously and very graciously referring more to yourself than to me t:

Not so sure that used in the way I did equates to an automatic loss but of course there is no certitude either way ....dam I did it again

As always, I commend you as well and am willing to leave the debate for the voters to decide. Of course, there is no certitude who will win ...damn cannot ged rid of that word

One use usually leads to loss of limbs (including head), two is punishable by death and as recompense for the 3rd use I demand that all remaining Asgardians are transferred to my stable for Round II

 

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

 

[Phaedrus45]

*Ronin - (Here I go, awaiting the inevitable match between Hippy and Darth, and Darth ends up giving the win to Hippy. Hmmm....maybe he's afraid of Hippy...)

*The Answer

*Balder - (Definitely, the debate of the week for me. Excellent debate for you both. I kept going back and forth.)

*Blob

 

[Zoken]

Blob
Ronin
The Answer
Balder

 

[kytrigger]

Blob
Ronin
The Answer
Balder-awesome debate though

 

[Midnight Ice]

The Answer
Blob
Ronin
Balder (Holy crap, that decision was very tough with the great debates!)

 

[Iceman]

Ronin
Blob
The Answer
Deathbird

 

[JewishHobbit]

Blob
Ronin Man, good job on that one. I am shocked at the awsome strategy.

The next two I'm torn right down the center. I'm going to give it to those listed below, but not for lack of trying by anyone.

Deathbird
Warlock

 

[hippy fascist]

Ronin
Blob (you debate you win)
The Answer (the point about infecting pure energy swung it)
Baldur (Intense debate but too much speculation in this one so I've gotta go with my gut)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Results So Far:

Ronin currently beating Atlas 7-0
The Answer currently beating Warlock 6-1
Balder currently beating Deathbird 5-2
Blob currently beating Richter 7-0

 

[Hellstormer]

Blob
Ronin
Warlock
Balder (Damn Ahura had a great strategy in grabbing all these unknown Asgardians.)

 

[Harlekin]

Great debate between Balder/Deathbird, but I think Deathie is just a little too outclassed here. Richter should be Rictor, fyi.

Ronin
Warlock
Balder
Blob