The Dark Knight Rises Could BB3 beat TDk if...

[griffolyon12]

I agree with many that financially BB3 will most likely not surpass TDK, but in terms of sheer quality, I think it is entirely possible. Now TDK was a superb film, but as others have previously stated, it was an ensemble film and the Joker was just one part of that ensemble; personally I was just as intrigued by the Dent/Two-Face character as I was by the Joker in TDK.

First and foremost, in order for BB3 to best TDK they just simply need to keep on track with what they've already established. TDK was an epic crime drama, so BB3 shouldn't be any different, but they should not try going any bigger. TDK was about as epic as a real world Batman film can get before you jump into the fantastical. It followed all of the laws of the real world, and pushed the realism to its limits, but never overstepped the boundary of believability. If they try to go bigger with TDK by casting tons of A-listers and such then you will just end up with another X-men 3 or Spider-man 3, and I don't want to see that happen to Nolan's bat-franchise. Fortunately though, I think Nolan and co. are smart enough to avoid such a debacle.

TDK laid the ground work, and BB3 should simply pick up where it left off, with Batman as a hunted vigilante by the police. Kind of a Batman Dead or Alive scenario. If you mix some intriguing villains in with this premise that ended with Batman regaining the trust of the people of Gotham, you could have a satisfying conclusion to Nolan's tenure as the helmer of the bat-franchise.

 

[Doc Samson]

I personally think the next film should be different in terms of scope and feel just like TDK was from BB. They're both great films that are almost completely different from one another, and it all comes down to the villains they chose.

BB was just as epic as TDK, just in a different way. Bruce was traveling the world, we got to see different countries, and all of this was because of Ras, who he was, and what he gave to the story. TDK was alot more manic, more dangerous, and focused completely on the streets of Gotham because of the Joker and what he gave to the story.

Whatever direction they go in, I'd guess it would be just as different, depending on who the threat is. Batman will always be the focus, people who act like he wasn't in TDK at all need to re-watch it. No, we didn't get Bruce sulking in a corner or standing over his parents graves, so what? How could he have the time for that when the Joker's running around shooting people and blowing up buildings? Now he's gonna be on the run, IMO, things should be even more intense, and we need a villain that can ratchet up the threat by himself, in ways we haven't seen before. Bane can do those things....

 

[Cancer4TheCure]

I would really like to see something very different from Batman 3. I understand the instant goal of a studio is to make the film bigger than the one before it, but I hope Warner Bros. keeps that in check. I would love to see a more drama-based Batman film. Keep all the action, but definitely make the focus on Batman's struggle to live with a lie (that he "killed those people") and to accept the fact that this is his life path.

We still need to tie up some loose ends with the Mob (which is why I think Black Mask would be a perfectly suited villain who gets the Mob organized again), and the rebuilding of Wayne Manor).

Filmmakers - please take your time with this one. Make it a good dramatic story that ties up some loose ends. How many of you would love to see Wayne Manor rebuilt at the end of the film, and leave another kickass cliffhanger to introduce a major villain?

 

[Melkay]

1. I still don't see Black Mask doing anything that the the Penguin can't do better.

2. I wouldn't want a cliffhanger at the end of B3. This has to feel like a closure, a new balance, the birth of something... and the end of the Nolan series. I can have a cliffhanger, yes, but the sense of closure has to be bigger than that.

3. I don't think that Batman has any regret of having to live with a lie. That's just a regret for people who hate lies. What I feel like a great ordeal for him is to live completely apart from society. Completely isolated.

4. I don't think WB is going to put creative pressure on Nolan this time. He puts all the pressure himself. We will have drama, but we will have thrilling action sequences as well. Mark my words. Nolan likes those. It's not undesired duty for him.

 

[christpunchers]

I believe, here is a list of things that I think Nolan will have to address in the next movie for certain, should it continue shortly after TDK:

1) Reese's character in TDK made people question who Batman is. Will Reese return? To do good by keeping his mouth shut or aid a villain or create more stir ups? He is definitely not the Riddler, but he sure did hint TDK that a Riddler who wants to "solve" the Batman mystery may very well be the theme of the next movie. To have him simply disappear would be too odd, there has to be more.

2) Batman will be hunted down like a dog. The Dark Knight that killed Gotham's White Knight will not go unpunished. I believe this is the central theme of the next movie.. capturing Batman is the top priority, even Joker predicted it ("they'll cast you out at the first sign of trouble").

3) A new vehicle that will replace the Tumbler should the Batpod prove not to be the only transport in the next movie. But it's more likely than not we will have another new ride.

4) A new love interest. Sorry but I highly doubt we will not see Catwoman in the next movie as much as I hate for that happen. BR nailed her perfectly so I don't want to see them do it again but in the real world, every Bats film had a love interest. Will Bruce find another woman to replace Rachel? I cannot picture a film without the token romance angle (though the "Romance" part of TDK wasn't played out that well. We didn't see much from Bruce, all he did was sob a little with Alfred then in the next scene he's just fine hooping onto a Lambo and completely forgotten Rachel).

5) The Batmen are still out there, will we see a rise of "Jokerized" thugs? It would mirror DKR's Mutant vs Sons of Batman if that is done. The "Sons of Joker" vs "Citizen of Batman".

6) Will Fox continue to work at Wayne Tech? Will he not support Bruce directly anymore or will he just disappear altogether? I think after what happened at the end of TDK, it would feel odd that in the next one Fox just goes about things as if the Sonar machine was never made... While not a huge issue I think it should be expanded on. I want some continuity.

7) Can we presume Maroni is dead? Perhaps another new crime boss will take over Gotham's mob scene? Maybe they will have Penguin to take Maroni's place since he is gone or incapable of leading his men?

8) Wayne Manor. I'm expecting it to be finished or nearly so, along with a fuller more equipped BatCave to appear early in the movie rather than later.

9) I hope the "smaller" characters like Ramiraz, the Mayor, some of the other MCU cops will not be left out.

One thing I wanna see less off is some of the poorly shot fight scenes between Batman vs ninja or SWAT units. I mean masked enemies RARELY make for any emotional impact. And especially since in both BB and TDK they seem to have problem painting a "clear" picture of the fights, I wish for them to just either make a clean fight instead of wasting time having a shadowly figure running around SWATs. Zoom the camera out, slow things down a bit, reduce the use of masked enemies and let the audience SEE what's going on in the first viewing rather than have to get them to watch it again to get a clearer image. At least the SWATs SPOKE in TDK, in BB we had a bunch of almost cyborg looking ninjas that never spoke. I barely remember anything MEMORABLE about that final scene where Bats had to take down 4-5 of Ras' goons in order to catch the train. The "final fight" has to be more than just Batman vs 100 men obstacle, let's see something new.

 

[metalhead_dave]

A new love interest. Sorry but I highly doubt we will not see Catwoman in the next movie as much as I hate for that happen. BR nailed her perfectly so I don't want to see them do it again but in the real world, every Bats film had a love interest.

No BR didn't. Batman Returns made her into a vengeful psychopath who has "nine lives" because she was brought back to life by cats. Catwoman is supposed to be a confident, mentally STABLE, thief who has a moral side to her. BR got the look pretty good, did NOTHING for the personality.

One thing I wanna see less off is some of the poorly shot fight scenes between Batman vs ninja or SWAT units. I mean masked enemies RARELY make for any emotional impact. And especially since in both BB and TDK they seem to have problem painting a "clear" picture of the fights, I wish for them to just either make a clean fight instead of wasting time having a shadowly figure running around SWATs. Zoom the camera out, slow things down a bit, reduce the use of masked enemies and let the audience SEE what's going on in the first viewing rather than have to get them to watch it again to get a clearer image. At least the SWATs SPOKE in TDK, in BB we had a bunch of almost cyborg looking ninjas that never spoke. I barely remember anything MEMORABLE about that final scene where Bats had to take down 4-5 of Ras' goons in order to catch the train. The "final fight" has to be more than just Batman vs 100 men obstacle, let's see something new.

I'll give you the fights in Batman Begins. Cameras were moving pretty fast, even though I can see what is going on, I understand people's beef.

But I don't get why ANYBODY has a problem seeing what's going on in The Dark Knight's final fight scene, or any of them for that matter. Everything is SO easy to see and you know exactly what's going on. When Batman is beating up Swat guys, the camera is panned mid leval and it rotates around Batman beating people up. The camera IS zoomed out and things ARE slowed down in The Dark Knight.

As far as the characters in masks thingy, I won't debate that. That's more of a personal preference, I believe.

 

[TheTrickster]

6) Will Fox continue to work at Wayne Tech? Will he not support Bruce directly anymore or will he just disappear altogether? I think after what happened at the end of TDK, it would feel odd that in the next one Fox just goes about things as if the Sonar machine was never made... While not a huge issue I think it should be expanded on. I want some continuity.

I'm thinking he will return and he will maintain his position since the sonar thing blew up at the end. I do expect some animosity between Wayne and Fox because of it though.

7) Can we presume Maroni is dead? Perhaps another new crime boss will take over Gotham's mob scene? Maybe they will have Penguin to take Maroni's place since he is gone or incapable of leading his men?

I think Black Mask would be perfect to fill the gap

 

[Lightning54SC]

With no Joker i have ZERO INTEREST in a 3rd film

 

[Melkay]

And I think you're a lying hack.

 

[CFE]

With no Joker i have ZERO INTEREST in a 3rd film

Why do I get the feeling that no one, including yourself, would believe that statement?

But y'know something...I'm officially going to hold you to it.

If the Joker isn't planned to be in the 3rd film and you have "Zero Interest"...then there'll be no point for you to be in this board...so if that happens, you're not allowed to be here.

You still wanna stick to your statement? If so, you better have the will power to stay off the BB3 sections (both Spoiler and Non) for the entire duration of the anticipation/release of the film...

CFE

 

[hatebox]

With no Joker i have ZERO INTEREST in a 3rd film

Poor you then.

I'm sure actual Batman fans will continue to enjoy Nolan's take...

 

[StorminNorman]

Cast DiCaprio and Depp as Black Mask and Riddler respectively and you will have a 600 Million Dollar film.

 

[[A]]

Cast DiCaprio and Depp as Black Mask and Riddler respectively and you will have a 600 Million Dollar film.

All you care about is money.

 

[hatebox]

Cast DiCaprio and Depp as Black Mask and Riddler respectively and you will have a 600 Million Dollar film.

And two villains who would almost certainly overshadow batman no matter how hard the script try to avoid it...

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

With no Joker i have ZERO INTEREST in a 3rd film

:facepalm

Well, at least he made it easy to spot a non-fan.

 

[TLBorlando]

...the focus was taken off villains and Batman was again made the focus of the story?

Very good question! I'm glad we see eye to eye on this one in terms of The Batman in TDK. Before I answer your question, and in my opinion, Batman was a middle man in the film up until the end. If you can imagine a timeline, in this case a characterline, on one end you have the mob and Lau. On the other end you have the law, Gordon, Harvey Dent (pre-accident). The Joker is in the middle. Harvey Two-Face is in the middle. The Batman is in the middle, but closer to the "good" side. At the end of the film, TDK leads right back to Batman.

I loved Batman Begins and The Dark Knight in their own ways. I feel that I could love a third Batman film more if only the story is excellent. Personally, Ledger did a fantastic job but I would not mind if another actor puts his stamp on the role if the Joker is in a third film. The character of the Joker is bigger than any actor in my mind. However, I would love to see other villains as well.

In order for a third Batman film to be a financial success, I think there should be a good story, iconic villains, and A-list actors. The way it's set up, Batman needs to be the focus of the third movie to move the story along.

 

[Mach2Infinity]

This is only a suggestion, so please do not hound me if you disagree. If the 'truth' was to be revealed about Batman's innocence, would a figure like Vicki Vale fit in?

 

[Mach2Infinity]

What I feel like a great ordeal for him is to live completely apart from society. Completely isolated.

This is why returning to Wayne Manor makes such thematic sense. It represents his further isolation from Gotham and with his virtual fortress, an overwatch. Patiently guarding Gotham against those that threaten the heart of the city.

 

[Melkay]

This is why returning to Wayne Manor makes such thematic sense. It represents his further isolation from Gotham and with his virtual fortress, an overwatch. Patiently guarding Gotham against those that threaten the heart of the city.

You said it perfectly.

 

[p4poetic]

We already have Batman Begins.

 

[Alien Anal]

id love to see batman as this large gruff

 

[I_am_the_knight]

...the focus was taken off villains and Batman was again made the focus of the story?

yes.....the 3rd movie could be better than Tdk, it will most likely not be as big a box office hit...but as a movie it could trump Tdk in the hearts of the fanbase.

As batman fans we have witnessed wayne go from the tragedy of his childhood into becoming batman, we have watched him persevere through all the adversity as his city came under siege by a madman....as a batfan would I love a movie where my hero overcomes persecution and redeems himself with the city hes trying to protect.......hell yes...this is the batman movie franchise, im here to see the adventures of batman and as long as the storytelling is as good as its been then im going along for the ride.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

Well, for me the most exciting part about Batman is his rogues gallery. If there were no villains in BB3, I don't think I'd have a reason to watch it. That's just my opinion though.

 

[Melkay]

^ Nobody said 'no villains'. I think the original poster meant a film with Batman on the spotlight, and the villains would be there, but less important than him.

 

[Melkay]

We already have Batman Begins.

And we already have The Dark Knight. In fact, TDK is more recent, and the similarities would be spot sooner.