Decades of Sexual Harassment Accusations Against Harvey Weinstein - Part 4

[Reek]

thank you vile.

**** did i just say that

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who said sexual assault? I said sexual harassment. Also, you guys were talking about catcalling being unacceptable and sexual harassment.

So basically, you are saying it's OK if it's not in front of him.

Sorry, wrote the wrong word. I'll fix that. I did mean harassment.

Catcalling is specifically done at someone, in their presences. So I am confused how you are conflating that with saying things at a screen. Not that, that behavior is good. That can be incredibly gross and vulgar. But how is that catcalling?

 

[Schlosser85]

Then Jason Momoa should start suing half the Justice League audience for sexual harassment. Sorry, I can't agree with this. I heard tons of women catcalling Jason Momoa's shirtless body during Justice League. I refuse to believe all of them were single. Sorry, but that's not sexual harassment.

Go on any actor's instagram, Sebastian Stan, Tom Hardy, whatever, there's women saying they want to have their babies, even talking about their vaginas and etc., all kinds of really crude and graphic comments (not everyone, of course, but some people get carried away).


Male models even straight ones get guys sending them unsolicited dick pics and asking to blow them, etc.


So yea, actors/models get constantly catcalled.

 

[Donner]

Who said sexual assault? I said sexual harassment. Also, you guys were talking about catcalling being unacceptable and sexual harassment.

So basically, you are saying it's OK if it's not in front of him.

It's not the same thing at all. The problem with catcalling is how it makes the person feel at that particular moment. For women, it can be quite uneasy, even terrifying. I don't know what it's like for men, but it can't feel that great. But "catcalling" in a theatre to a screen? Ehhh not sexual harassment. If these women were saying it to him, that would be harassment.

Just don't yell things to random people. That's the way I see it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think this argument is getting murky.

Basically, my point is this. I don't have a problem with female comedians who tell jokes and humor about wanting to bang or hit on guys they think are hot. Same for males. And I think there is a difference between pursuing or hitting on a potential romantic partner in a setting and willful attempts to sexually assault or rape someone.

And if we are championing gender equality, and it's OK one for one gender because men aren't threatened by the idea of sexual assault, then IMHO we are basically admitting the idea of gender equality is basically impossible.

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[TheVileOne]

thank you vile.

**** did i just say that

Hey, I will say it. You're welcome.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Go on any actor's instagram, Sebastian Stan, Tom Hardy, whatever, there's women saying they want to have their babies, even talking about their vaginas and etc., all kinds of really crude and graphic comments (not everyone, of course, but some people get carried away).


Male models even straight ones get guys sending them unsolicited dick pics and asking to blow them, etc.


So yea, actors/models get constantly catcalled.

Yep. That is online sexual harassment. That is online catcalling. I completely agree. But that is not the same thing as someone at their midnight showing of Justice League screaming how they want to have his children. Catcalling is specifically done at someone.

I mean this place has plenty of creepy stuff like that. The thread for male and female actors here can get really bad. Especially the latter. And while I feel uncomfortable about it, it is not catcalling.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think this argument is getting murky.

Basically, my point is this. I don't have a problem with female comedians who tell jokes and humor about wanting to bang or hit on guys they think are hot. Same for males.

And if we are championing gender equality, and it's OK one for one gender because men aren't threatened by the idea of sexual assault, then IMHO we are basically admitting the idea of gender equality is basically impossible.

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You do realize Colin Jost is one of the head writers on SNL, right? He clears that, the same way Seth Meyers cleared Seth and Stefon. Actually, probably came up with it, because it is Weekend Update.

 

[TheVileOne]

You do realize Colin Jost is one of the head writers on SNL, right? He clears that, the same way Seth Meyers cleared Seth and Stefon. Actually, probably came up with it, because it is Weekend Update.

Either way, I'm not seeing a problem.

You know who wrote this joke? Anna Kendrick:

Ugh - NEVER going to a Ryan Gosling movie in a theater again. Apparently *********ing in the back row is still considered "inappropriate"

https://***********/AnnaKendrick47/status/290892494152028160

 

[Pink Ranger]

BTW, Conan regularly makes awkward suggestive advances on women as part of the humour in his roving video segments. It comes across as humourous because he's intentionally being weird and awkward and appears to be coming from a place of weakness, which are key elements of humour. So there really isn't a double standard here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Either way, I'm not seeing a problem.

You know who wrote this joke? Anna Kendrick:



https://***********/AnnaKendrick47/status/290892494152028160

Yes and?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anna-kendrick-talks-her-sexual-763583

Do you still think that is catcalling?

 

[TheVileOne]

BTW, Conan regularly makes awkward suggestive advances on women as part of the humour in his roving video segments. It comes across as humourous because he's intentionally being weird and awkward and appears to be coming from a place of weakness, which are key elements of humour. So there really isn't a double standard here.

I would say in terms of comedy, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I also recall for years, when he was still on NBC, Conan had an ongoing playful relationship with Rebecca Romijn Stamos on TV of basically wanting to bang her and would always grunt out her husband's name, "John...STAMOS!" When she was married to John Stamos.

FYI, this was before Conan got married.

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[DarthSkywalker]

BTW, Conan regularly makes awkward suggestive advances on women as part of the humour in his roving video segments. It comes across as humourous because he's intentionally being weird and awkward and appears to be coming from a place of weakness, which are key elements of humour. So there really isn't a double standard here.

It was a big part of Craig Ferguson's act on his late show. Something that he clearly pulled back on, if the person was not comfortable with it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yes and?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anna-kendrick-talks-her-sexual-763583

Do you still think that is catcalling?

I think going by some definitions here, it's gross, vulgar, and sexual harassment.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think going by some definitions here, it's gross, vulgar, and sexual harassment.

It may very well be. But do you still think it is catcalling?

 

[chamber-music]

I've seen catcalling by men and women.

Like I mentioned before, maybe the solution is encouraging women to approach men and make the first move. And giving them that encouragement early on in life. High school seems like the worst for girls waiting on boys to ask them out.

I've known plenty of women have no problem asking out guys or letting then know they are attracted to them.

In my High School some of the girls were probably more confident and forward than the guys. It was more the really shy or insecure girls that waited for boys to ask them out.

In larger cities everyone has their guard up more basically, on both sides. I live in Indiana but commute to Chicago for work and the mindset regarding dating is almost worlds apart.

If a stranger talks to you on the Tube (subway) in London it is either because they are going to stab you or rob you or they are crazy. Sometimes it is all three

 

[Donner]

And if we are championing gender equality, and it's OK one for one gender because men aren't threatened by the idea of sexual assault, then IMHO we are basically admitting the idea of gender equality is basically impossible.

I never said it was okay for women to make comments towards men. I pointed out that men don't feel the same level of anxiety when rejecting a woman than when a woman rejects a man. It's just not on the same level because, physically, men are bigger and stronger than women. That does change things. That's not to say women should do it, but statistically speaking, these sorts of interactions go worse for women than men.

I think, for gender equality, that women should be encouraged to make the first move and for the playing field to be leveled out. But for that to happen, we need to start treating our kids as equals when they're young and not playing into narrow gender roles.

 

[TheVileOne]

It may very well be. But do you still think it is catcalling?

No I don't because she's making a joke about *********ing to Gosling's image while watching his movie. Not yelling out or screaming a sexual comment.

 

[moviedoors]

True, I should clarify. Women asking men for nudes isn't really a thing.

I'd also push back against the idea that women only send nudes because of pressure from men. Absolutely, that happens. But:

I've been dating a lot this year, and I being a single dad, end up going out with mostly single moms. Many of them have sent me nudes that I never asked for. It's actually the exception when one doesn't eventually send me nudes. They do it for a variety of reasons: because they like me; because they've worked out and achieved nice bodies post-pregnancy; because it makes them feel sexy and desired after ugly divorces; because it's taboo and being transgressive is fun.

 

[Donner]

I'd also push back against the idea that women only send nudes because of pressure from men. Absolutely, that happens. But:

I've been dating a lot this year, and I being a single dad, end up going out with mostly single moms. Many of them have sent me nudes that I never asked for. It's actually the exception when one doesn't eventually send me nudes. They do it for a variety of reasons: because they like me; because they've worked out and achieved nice bodies post-pregnancy; because it makes them feel sexy and desired after ugly divorces; because it's taboo and being transgressive is fun.

Interesting. I know the post pregnancy body is a huge thing. Does it put you off when you receive the pictures?

I'm not asking to be a ***** or anything like that. I'm just curious.

Another question if you're okay with answering: would you rather date a woman who doesn't have children or one that does? I only ask because of friends that have had issues with the "ex" and custody battles.

 

[moviedoors]

Interesting. I know the post pregnancy body is a huge thing. Does it put you off when you receive the pictures?

I'm not asking to be a ***** or anything like that. I'm just curious.

It doesn't put me off. They don't come right out the gate with it, like 1st text the way I know a lot of men do in dating app culture. Some have sent them before a first date, some after. I like it. It's brazen and it's confident. Total ego boost.

Another question if you're okay with answering: would you rather date a woman who doesn't have children or one that does? I only ask because of friends that have had issues with the "ex" and custody battles.

I think right now I like the single mothers. There are complications and limited availabilities at play, but the same is true for me. And it's not that there aren't single non-parent women that would understand my situation, when it's a single mother, I don't have to even explain it: we pretty much instantly know the deal. We're already in the single parent club and we're on the same wavelength.

 

[Mike_D202]

It makes you wonder if Hardwick's ex was super jealous of his success and still bitter about him breaking up with her that she just had to write something to make herself feel better about what she did. Someone who was in an alleged abusive relationship and asking to come back almost a year after it ended is pretty damn murky.

When I dumped my cheating ex she tried to come back for months after. When I wouldn't take her back she ran my name through the mud around town.

 

[Travesty]

So some Chris Hardwick texts just leaked, and it's kinda contradicting some of Chloe's points she made in her blog. I'm seeing some red flags, here.

 

[terry78]

Even if it's fabricated Hardwick is over regardless.

 

[MadVillainy]

It makes you wonder if Hardwick's ex was super jealous of his success and still bitter about him breaking up with her that she just had to write something to make herself feel better about what she did. Someone who was in an alleged abusive relationship and asking to come back almost a year after it ended is pretty damn murky.

When I dumped my cheating ex she tried to come back for months after. When I wouldn't take her back she ran my name through the mud around town.

Yeeeeah...a couple things
1) Not everyone is the same. Just because you didn't take or go back to your toxic ex doesn't mean others don't
2) Do you know how many times people are abused stay with or go back to their abusive (physical or psychological) ex? It sadly isn't that uncommon.

Im not saying Hardwick definetly did it but the whole "She tried to go back" argument is silly

So some Chris Hardwick texts just leaked, and it's kinda contradicting some of Chloe's points she made in her blog. I'm seeing some red flags, here.

Unless there are some different ones then what I'm seeing they're not contradicting much if anything.
I'd have to re-read Chloe's blog but did she ever say he dumped me and I never tried to go back

EDIT: Ah yes I see. She says she dumped him in her article. Welp that puts a dent in her story

Even if it's fabricated Hardwick is over regardless.

Not really if it can proven that it's all made up then Hardwick gets his shows back.