Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 3

[Primal Slayer]

Like once lol.

 

[SpideyVille]

I don't even think Laurel was ever at Star Labs.

 

[Primal Slayer]

They were all together at the farm house for the crossover, though neither team spoke to each other in it.

Just another case of the show telling instead of showing and trying to make it seem like they had made Laurel relevant.

 

[b_boy]

Caitlin is just expressing our feelings lol Cisco did told he "loved her" though and he had a picture with her in exchange of the canary cry device, so at least they did interact a bit...

 

[Slade W]

A bit daft of the Flash writers (or whoever wrote that comic) to make out that Laurel and Team Flash were close.

 

[SpideyVille]

A bit daft of the Flash writers (or whoever wrote that comic) to make out that Laurel and Team Flash were close.

Usually those comics reflect a scene from the episode, usally the opening scene.

 

[Nathan]

I already noticed once that not everything from the comic page, ends up on the screen. So I hope they leave that line out, or give it to Cisco. Because it makes no sense that Caitlin would say it.

 

[Slade W]

Usually those comics reflect a scene from the episode, usally the opening scene.

Thanks. I actually have a trade paperback with all of Arrow season 2.5. I still haven't gotten around to reading it yet though lol.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Emily said at Paris Con that she thought it was a mistake to kill off Black Canary and that she was told at the beginning of the season that she was safe (which of course contradicts MWs statement that everyone besides Oliver was in jeopardy, but of course she would lie through her teeth about it being between the Lances)

A bit daft of the Flash writers (or whoever wrote that comic) to make out that Laurel and Team Flash were close.

They did the same with the Arrow characters. The characters looked like they had more of a working relationship then anything deeper besides Laurel/Thea but look at how of them reacted to Laurels death as if it was a death in the family. These shows love to tell but rarely show when it comes to characters personal relationships.

 

[Slade W]

Why waste screen-time developing Team Arrow characters or building relationships between them when you can give that screen-time to Donna Smoak, who is arguably the greatest fictional character of all time.

 

[Primal Slayer]

The sad thing is that Katie/Emily were trying to push the writers to give Laurel/Felicity a friendship and build on it but obviously it was ignored.

 

[Slade W]

They did have some nice moments together though. I remember Felicity saying to Laurel that she has more light in her than Sara and that she should forge her own path. There were other ones too, but not as much as I would have liked.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Yeah but all of that was entirely dropped by end of S3 and entirely in S4.

 

[Paradox1]

I was entirely more hyped about the women of Arrow this season. I wanted to see that sisterly bound between Thea and Laurel explored further. The justice League cartoon did a lot of filler episodes but they were some of the best. You could of done an episode called Ladies Night with just the women of team Arrow bounding.

 

[Slade W]

Arrow's version of Ladies Night was episode 17, with Felicity, Donna and Thea. That was arguably the worst episode of the entire series. An episode featuring just the female characters on the show could have been great. You have Laurel, Thea, Nyssa, Huntress and maybe even Sara, depending on when you do the episode, but they would still put Donna in there in place of one of them. I understand if they put Felicity in such an episode, but my problem with it would be that she would probably dominate it too much.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Arrow's version of Ladies Night was episode 17, with Felicity, Donna and Thea. That was arguably the worst episode of the entire series. You have Laurel, Thea, Nyssa, Huntress and maybe even Sara, depending on when you do the episode, but they would still put Donna in there in place of one of them. I understand if they put Felicity in such an episode, but my problem with it would be that she would probably dominate it too much.

Donna has been in this season way too much, worst example for me was probably the episode after Sara got her soul back, they finally get Sara alive and back to herself, and which character's mother is a guest star? Felicity's...

 

[Slade W]

Donna has been in this season way too much, worst example for me was probably the episode after Sara got her soul back, they finally get Sara alive and back to herself, and which character's mother is a guest star? Felicity's...

The funny thing is, I found her to be quite amusing in season 3. A lot of her scenes made me laugh, and when I heard about them putting her and Lance together, I liked the idea. I thought the relationship had the potential to be quite funny, with the way she behaves and Quentin can be quite funny too, with some of his reactions and remarks. Boy was I wrong .

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Like once lol.

True, but most of the farm house stuff focused on Cisco/Kendra/Carter and Oliver/Barry/Felicity. For all we know Laurel and Caitlyn became great friends during that time. And we don't know what interactions they had between S3 and S4 either; clearly there was quite a bit, as we know Cisco at least built Oliver's new suit, and so it's not unreasonable that Caitlyn, Cisco, and Barry got to know Laurel pretty well. It is better to show than tell, but when it's two different shows, that's a bit harder. It's implied well enough for my tastes, anyway.

 

[Batsfan1]

True, but most of the farm house stuff focused on Cisco/Kendra/Carter and Oliver/Barry/Felicity. For all we know Laurel and Caitlyn became great friends during that time. And we don't know what interactions they had between S3 and S4 either; clearly there was quite a bit, as we know Cisco at least built Oliver's new suit, and so it's not unreasonable that Caitlyn, Cisco, and Barry got to know Laurel pretty well. It is better to show than tell, but when it's two different shows, that's a bit harder. It's implied well enough for my tastes, anyway.

It was never implied at any point. It's very unreasonable, because neither shows ever had them once talk about eachother ever or mention eachother, talk about her death, react to it, care about it or even her. If neither show can take the time to at least mention it, then it doesn't exist. Why do you want to justify what's only bad writing? They crapped on Laurel's character. They're continuing to do it by lying to us with fake empty relationships that never happened and they never even cared about to make happen and has no point in the show now, because the character's dead. Team Flash was also broken up inbetween seasons and Caitlin was working for Mercury Labs, so she had no connection to any of the Arrow group. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[Jedi Arrow]

It was never implied at any point. It's very unreasonable, because neither shows ever had them once talk about eachother ever or mention eachother, talk about her death, react to it, care about it or even her. If neither show can take the time to at least mention it, then it doesn't exist. Why do you want to justify what's only bad writing? They crapped on Laurel's character. They're continuing to do it by lying to us with fake empty relationships that never happened and they never even cared about to make happen and has no point in the show now, because the character's dead. Team Flash was also broken up inbetween seasons and Caitlin was working for Mercury Labs, so she had no connection to any of the Arrow group. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

It's not that unusual; crossover shows have characters in one show mention characters in another all the time, often as if they're good friends when in fact we never see them interact. And in the farmhouse episode, if I recall, Caitlyn, Laurel, Thea, and Diggle are in the farmhouse almost the entire episode, so yes, they did have time to bond. You're right about the S3/4 break, I'd forgotten that, but it's implied several times throughout the entire series (even in S1 of Flash) that Oliver and Barry, and possibly their teams, interact more than is shown on-screen. It's world-building, it's not unreasonable. I'm not justifying "crappy" writing, I'm explaining why it's not "crappy." Your opinion is your own, but if you'd look past your own narrow opinions, you'd see that it might just not be as terribly written as you assume.

 

[Batsfan1]

It's not that unusual; crossover shows have characters in one show mention characters in another all the time, often as if they're good friends when in fact we never see them interact. And in the farmhouse episode, if I recall, Caitlyn, Laurel, Thea, and Diggle are in the farmhouse almost the entire episode, so yes, they did have time to bond. You're right about the S3/4 break, I'd forgotten that, but it's implied several times throughout the entire series (even in S1 of Flash) that Oliver and Barry, and possibly their teams, interact more than is shown on-screen. It's world-building, it's not unreasonable. I'm not justifying "crappy" writing, I'm explaining why it's not "crappy." Your opinion is your own, but if you'd look past your own narrow opinions, you'd see that it might just not be as terribly written as you assume.

That only works if the characters actually mention eachother on the shows. They didn't. The thing with crossovers also is, usually, that more than one of the characters had relationships with the characters before the spinof. You can't use them being in a farmhouse together as a justification for this. They had no conversations and thus no relationships. It's a statement of fact that they simply can't exist. By the logic of what we don't see we can assume they're all cannibals. Why wouldn't we assume that? Because the show never says it or hints at it. Same with this. It's bad writing if a show can't even allude to relationships off screen, let alone show them. You're reaching for whatever reason to justify this. It's never once hinted at that they interact beyond what we see. Catilin saying that is another way to belittle the Laurel character with fake relationships that never existed for no reason. The characters never had a relationship with Laurel and there's no reason to pretend that they did, other than to continue to lie about Laurel's unimportant death and pretend people actually cared about her, which is condescending. LOT hinted at one relationship and it was with someone Laurel has actually talked to on screen. Neither shows showed or hinted at anything between Barry, Caitlin, Iris, Wells and Laurel, ever, so it can't exist. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[Jedi Arrow]

That only works if the characters actually mention eachother on the shows. They didn't. The thing with crossovers also is, usually, that more than one of the characters had relationships with the characters before the spinof. You can't use them being in a farmhouse together as a justification for this. They had no conversations and thus no relationships. It's a statement of fact that they simply can't exist. By the logic of what we don't see we can assume they're all cannibals. Why wouldn't we assume that? Because the show never says it or hints at it. Same with this. It's bad writing if a show can't even allude to relationships off screen, let alone show them. You're reaching for whatever reason to justify this. It's never once hinted at that they interact beyond what we see. Catilin saying that is another way to belittle the Laurel character with fake relationships that never existed for no reason. The characters never had a relationship with Laurel and there's no reason to pretend that they did, other than to continue to lie about Laurel's unimportant death and pretend people actually cared about her, which is condescending. LOT hinted at one relationship and it was with someone Laurel has actually talked to on screen. Neither shows showed or hinted at anything between Barry, Caitlin, Iris, Wells and Laurel, ever, so it can't exist. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

Look, man, we're gonna have to disagree on this one. I have no idea how Caitlyn saying this "belittles" Laurel at all; that's insane. So you're saying that things not shown off-screen can't exist? What? Have you never heard of context? Backstory? Blah-blah-blah? I'm done with this, man. You're such a troll.

 

[Batsfan1]

Look, man, we're gonna have to disagree on this one. I have no idea how Caitlyn saying this "belittles" Laurel at all; that's insane. So you're saying that things not shown off-screen can't exist? What? Have you never heard of context? Backstory? Blah-blah-blah? I'm done with this, man. You're such a troll.

I'm saying that things never happened or were even talked about or alluded to can't exist. Those were my words. My words were also that it belittles Laurel's character by faking relationships to pretend that people care about her in the show. It's ironic that you call me a troll for pointing out a fact of storytelling when you don't read my words. I'm very sorry if I'm coming off as harsh though. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[b_boy]

- Cisco became friends with Laurel on the Flash episode where she features and he gives her the canary cry.

- They were all together on the farm house.

- On Legend's of Tomorrow, on the first episode, Laurel gives Sara her White Canary suit, Sara asks how she managed to make that suit and Laurel answers that she has a resourceful friend called Cisco.

- On S4, Felicity tells Star Labs helped them build the new lair (the one under Palmer technologies anyway) where only Thea, Diggle and Laurel worked because Felicity and Oliver where out of town.

- Diggle told Star Labs made his helmet.

So I think they give enough hints that the two teams interacted. Out all of them that line would probably be better if Cisco gave it, but it's not really that reaching.....

 

[Batsfan1]

- Cisco became friends with Laurel on the Flash episode where she features and he gives her the canary cry.

- They were all together on the farm house.

- On Legend's of Tomorrow, on the first episode, Laurel gives Sara her White Canary suit, Sara asks how she managed to make that suit and Laurel answers that she has a resourceful friend called Cisco.

- On S4, Felicity tells Star Labs helped them build the new lair (the one under Palmer technologies anyway) where only Thea, Diggle and Laurel worked because Felicity and Oliver where out of town.

- Diggle told Star Labs made his helmet.

So I think they give enough hints that the two teams interacted. Out all of them that line would probably be better if Cisco gave it, but it's not really that reaching.....

All Cisco stuff. Not Caitlin. She's a doctor, not a tech expert. All of that is Cisco's work. They've interacted. Not Caitlin, who in between seasons, when the helmet and new lair were developed, was not on Team Flash, but working for Mercury Labs. Thea didn't even know they knew The Flash until this seasons crossover, proving that the Flash hadn't interacted with them. Them being together in the farmhouse for about 2 days only means something if they had talked once or even hinted at having talked. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!