Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 4

[Sawyer]

I'm betting/hoping she's a doppelganger from another earth in the multiverse. I don't want an alien-related hallucination (or guilt-related for that matter), I don't want a resurrection by magic (didn't we have our fill of that s*** last season?), her being here because of Flashpoint really wouldn't add up... I'd be up for her being the Laurel/Dinah of Jay Garrick's earth or from an earth where the Oliver Queen that she knew had been killed by Prometheus and she traveled here to stop it from happening again.

 

[Legendver2]

I'm going with the theory that in Flashpoint, Laurel was a meta with her canary cry powers, and somehow she's revived when Alchemy did that thing with the globe in the Flash. So this revived Laurel actually has a real canary cry, not the collar cry.

 

[Sawyer]

I suppose I wouldn't have much issue with that either.

 

[Slade W]

I really hope that whatever happens, they leave it possible for her to become a regular in the future, hopefully next season. Hopefully Guggenheim can resist finding someway to erase her from all the time-lines.

 

[Slade W]

Almost everything I have read, from both fans and articles about Laurel appearances have been positive. Even in the last episode she just appeared briefly, but it got a lot of people excited. I imagine that people on youtube are reacting similarly. If people keep this up, surely she will be brought back on one of the shows. Maybe this would encourage people to consider her for a Birds of Prey show. ATM, there clearly is a lot of people who want to see more of Laurel. If there is enough demand for her, surely they would have to do it as it would be a waste not to.

 

[Jeff257]

I really hope that whatever happens, they leave it possible for her to become a regular in the future, hopefully next season. Hopefully Guggenheim can resist finding someway to erase her from all the time-lines.

It seems we have all forgotten the deal she signed back in July to be a regular across all the Arrowverse CW shows. http://tvline.com/2016/07/23/arrow-katie-cassidy-series-regular-flash-legends-of-tomorrow/

I am in the camp that I am glad she is back and I am looking forward to seeing how her character grows across all the shows.

 

[haephestus]

Maybe this would encourage people to consider her for a Birds of Prey show. ATM, there clearly is a lot of people who want to see more of Laurel. If there is enough demand for her, surely they would have to do it as it would be a waste not to.

That would be awesome. Laurel, Nyssa and maybe Helena (if they can get someone to do justice to the character of Huntress) would make a decent starting line up. Rotate in other female heroes like Katana, Vixen, Earth 2 Doctor Light, Hawkgirl, Earth 2 Jesse Quick, etc from time to time to spice things up.

 

[Slade W]

It seems we have all forgotten the deal she signed back in July to be a regular across all the Arrowverse CW shows. http://tvline.com/2016/07/23/arrow-katie-cassidy-series-regular-flash-legends-of-tomorrow/

I am in the camp that I am glad she is back and I am looking forward to seeing how her character grows across all the shows.

I am aware of the deal, but she will not be a regular this year on Arrow, as far as I am aware. If she continues to be received well, hopefully it will happen next year.

 

[O'Haire]

Maybe this would encourage people to consider her for a Birds of Prey show. ATM, there clearly is a lot of people who want to see more of Laurel. If there is enough demand for her, surely they would have to do it as it would be a waste not to.

Birds of Prey would be awesome. Or maybe bring her onto Legends full time for a season. Her and Sara being bad asses throughout time.

 

[Jeff257]

I am aware of the deal, but she will not be a regular this year on Arrow, as far as I am aware. If she continues to be received well, hopefully it will happen next year.

Yeah maybe so. I guess it really all boils down to, "How the heck she is alive." I can't wait for Jan to get the answers.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I say give her to Legends

 

[Legendver2]

I wouldn't mind seeing her on Flash honestly.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Laurel made it to #4 on Tvlines biggest tv deaths of 2016.

 

[Slade W]

It was clear that Arrow wanted to get attention for the death by building up to it and milking it as much as possible, and they got that attention, it seems, but I imagine the attention being negative is not what they expected.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's never what they expect.

 

[Slade W]

Last year, certainly. This year they have done a very good job turning things around so far.

 

[metaphysician]

That's Black Siren. A metahuman with a "canary cry" (aka sonic scream) who was a murderer (on a pretty major scale - demolishing entire buildings full of people) and second in command to the primary villain Zoom. Black Siren was imprisoned by The Flash, originally at STAR Labs, but she may have been moved to the dedicated / public prison for meta human criminals in Central City.

It *could* be Black Siren, but unless they write one heck of a redemption arc for the character, I'm not sure that Oliver will be interested in working with such a wilful murderer (i.e. it's not like this version of Laurel has a tragic backstory explaining her murdering past like Sara did).

If "Laurel" is the Black Siren, I don't think they *intend* to write a redemption arc. I'm pretty sure the plan is more "yank Ollie's chain, make him suffer, then horrible betrayal and death".

Which is to say, I think the Black Siren theory is the most plausible explanation. She definitely exists, and definitely exists on Earth-1. All it requires is that Prometheus bust her out of prison ( plausible ), and convince her to play along in his plan ( would require explanation, but plausible ).

The next most plausible theory I can come up with is "Nyssa faked Laurel's death". Which is just this side of possible, but is ridiculously baroque, *and* doesn't fit with the heavily suggested "this is part of Prometheus' scheme" aspect. Honestly, I think "hallucination" or "impostor, possibly shapeshifter" are more probable than this one.

 

[Primal Slayer]

While I am 99% certain that this is Black Siren, doing 2 major back2back betrayals for Oliver is not good writing. To bad Katie hasnt been back on set since filming 5x10.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I don't think this is Black Siren, I think something else is going on.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm going with the theory that in Flashpoint, Laurel was a meta with her canary cry powers, and somehow she's revived when Alchemy did that thing with the globe in the Flash. So this revived Laurel actually has a real canary cry, not the collar cry.

That doesn't really work. Alchemy didn't resurrect people, he gave them the powers their alternate self had. A dead Laurel Lance would have been useless to him, even if he did somehow decide to take a road trip to Star City.

 

[Paradox1]

I don't think this is Black Siren, I think something else is going on.

I'm with you on that and one possibility that came to mind is Talia Al'Ghul. I hear she is in 5x10 and the Flashback that might be featured is Laurel's. Being resurrected by the pits and getting trained by Talia in some messy resurgence of the League of Assassins. That has reached some critical stage requiring Oliver's help to stop.

 

[Thome216]

I hope it's Flashback and its repercussions, though that doesn't change the fact that she did apparently die. I also hope the Lazarus Pit had not been destroyed by Nyssa in this timeline and that in memory of Sara, Nyssa had resurrected Laurel and kept it a secret.

But if I'm wrong and it is Black Siren, then I hope they end up subduing her, getting Constantine back and stuffing Laurel's soul into her body!t:

 

[Avenging Angel]

Really like it if she was a regular on another show, so they can promote her to lead there. Seeing her again was great. I didn't notice how much I missed her until last night. I'm very curious what they're gonna do now.

 

[Syncos]

There's a few possibilities, based on what we know:

1) Ollie is having another dream-state. Which would be annoying considering it's immediately the next episode after his big dream prison.

2) Flashback, but probably not, because it was in the new Arrow lair. So unless it was a flashback to just before Laurel's death or something, but that seems wrong.

3) Black Siren. This is interesting. We haven't seen her post Flashpoint, and even before flashpoint we didn't know much about her. It's possible she led a very similar life to Laurel before Zoom recruited her. Maybe her downfall happened when her Oliver was killed, or something. Who knows. I'd be interested to see a redemption story.

4) Savitar has shown to be able to appear as dead loved ones. This would make me pretty upset if that's the case.

5) Flashpoint changed something about the way Laurel "died" to the extent that Oliver and Company thought she was dead, but maybe she wasn't.

 

[Loki882]

It being Black Siren in disguise would make the Flash crew look really stupid (especially if it's not addressed on that show at all). That's a HUGE ton of plot development to leave to another show altogether. And having that exposition in Arrow would feel waaaay out of place.

I'm not saying it can't be Black Siren, but I'm not sure how/where they'll fit all this exposition.

Also I recall correctly, Team Flash specified that they were keeping Black Siren in The Pipeline to avoid the uncomfortable questions of why Star City's ex-DA and outed (by Oliver at her funeral) superhero, is suddenly locked up in a metahuman prison in Central City. So I assume that that hasn't changed, and that therefore she's still at Star Labs. Which means that they'd have to explain:

-How Prometheus found out about her in the first place (since even Team Arrow doesn't seem to know about her)?
-Him breaking into Star Labs and releasing her?
-When/if Team Flash realizes that she's gone (or are two stupid to have figured it out)?
-What role she would play in Prometheus's plan?
-Team Flash informing Team Arrow about it (and likely ensuing awkwardness)?
-Etc.

That's A LOT of plot exposition to either keep on one show (The Flash) where it's not plot-relevant, or spread out between two shows, where its only plot-relevant to one.