🌎 Discussion: Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Critical Race Theory, Systemic Inequality, and Racism - Part 4

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Actor Laurence Fox (of the British Fox family acting dynasty) went on the BBC's Question Time show and said the criticism of Meghan Markle wasn’t racist. He did the whole 'black people are the real racists for pointing out racism' thing followed by everyone is too PC/I'm an contrarian edge lord that can't be told what to think/woe is the plight of the straight white man.

If Fox went on any longer he probably would of started advocating the finer points of Kipling's White Man's Burden.

There was a big backlash and Fox went running to his biracial brother in-law Actor/Comedian/Director/Game & travel show host Richard Ayoade to back him up. Ayoade rightfully told him he wouldn't back him.

Laurence Fox reveals Richard Ayoade's furious reaction to Question Time race row
 
kvz5 said:
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I know this guy's probably coming at this issue from a bad place, but I have to say I don't disagree with his position. I am a Chinese-Canadian, and I for one do not like what I'm seeing from Mainland Chinese nationals coming into Western countries pushing the agenda of their government. Yeah, like this Congressman I'd be all for Chinese students coming here to study art history.
 
Pink Ranger said:
I know this guy's probably coming at this issue from a bad place, but I have to say I don't disagree with his position. I am a Chinese-Canadian, and I for one do not like what I'm seeing from Mainland Chinese nationals coming into Western countries pushing the agenda of their government. Yeah, like this Congressman I'd be all for Chinese students coming here to study art history.
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Not every Chinese student is a government stooge though. I have some Chinese friends who were students in western countries that studied over here because they legitimately wanted a good education. Some Chinese students also probably benefited from experiencing the freedom we get in the west compared to back home.

Also not everyone buys into what the Chinese government is selling. Some people just publicly say they agree because saying they don't will stir up trouble for themselves and their families.
 
chamber-music said:
Not every Chinese student is a government stooge though. I have some Chinese friends who were students in western countries that studied over here because they legitimately wanted a good education. Some Chinese students also probably benefited from experiencing the freedom we get in the west compared to back home.

Also not everyone buys into what the Chinese government is selling. Some people just publicly say they agree because saying they don't will stir up trouble for themselves and their families.
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Foreign nationals coming into a Western country to study is a privilege, not a right. And when a group of foreign nationals attempt to stir up as much trouble as Mainland Chinese nationals are, we have to take a hard look at what's going on. I've lived a long time, and I've never seen a group of foreign nationals behave like the Mainland Chinese behave in Western countries. You don't see American students in Europe holding MAGA rallies in the middle of Paris.

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Another "Stand Your Ground" law being used to justify murder in a case where it should have absolutely no legal standing. And once again it's a couple of good ole' boy white guys murdering a black man.

Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges

A 25-year-old man running through a Georgia neighborhood ended up dead. A prosecutor argued that the pursuers should not be arrested.

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Ahmaud Arbery loved to run. It was how the 25-year-old former high school football standout stayed fit, his friends said, and it was not unusual to see him running around the outskirts of the small coastal Georgia city near where he lived.

But on a Sunday afternoon in February, as Mr. Arbery ran through a suburban neighborhood of ranch houses and moss-draped oaks, he passed a man standing in his front yard, who later told the police that Mr. Arbery looked like the suspect in a string of break-ins.

According to a police report, the man, Gregory McMichael, 64, called out to his son, Travis McMichael, 34. They grabbed their weapons, a .357 magnum revolver and a shotgun, jumped into a truck and began following Mr. Arbery.

“Stop, stop,” they shouted at Mr. Arbery, “we want to talk to you.”

Moments later, after a struggle over the shotgun, Mr. Arbery was killed, shot at least twice.

No one has been charged or arrested in connection with the Feb. 23 killing. The case has received little attention beyond Brunswick, but it has raised questions in the community about racial profiling — Mr. Arbery was black, and the father and son are white — and about the interpretation of the state’s self-defense laws.

The Rev. John Davis Perry II, the president of the Brunswick chapter of the NAACP, has called the shooting “troubling.” And Mr. Arbery’s friends and family have worried that the case, similar to others that have prompted nationwide outrage, might quietly disappear in their Deep South community, because social-distancing restrictions amid the coronavirus outbreak have made it difficult for them to gather and protest.

“We can’t do anything because of this corona stuff,” said Wanda Cooper, Mr. Arbery’s mother. “We thought about walking out where the shooting occurred, just doing a little march, but we can’t be out right now.”

Mr. Arbery was killed three days before the anniversary of the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed African-American teenager whose confrontation with a Florida neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman, helped ignite the Black Lives Matter movement.

According to documents obtained by The New York Times, a prosecutor who had the case for a few weeks told the police that the pursuers had acted within the scope of Georgia’s citizen’s arrest statute, and that Travis McMichael, who held the shotgun, had acted out of self-defense.

The police report does not mention whether Mr. Arbery was in possession of a weapon.

Attempts to reach Gregory McMichael, a retired investigator in the district attorney’s office, were unsuccessful. In a brief phone conversation, Travis McMichael, who runs a company that gives custom boat tours, declined to comment, citing the continuing investigation.

The prosecutor who wrote the letter, George E. Barnhill, the district attorney for Georgia’s Waycross Judicial Circuit, recused himself from the case this month, after Mr. Arbery’s family complained that he had a conflict of interest. A prosecutor from another county is now in charge and will determine whether the case should be presented to a grand jury.

In and around Brunswick, activists and allies of Mr. Arbery’s family are doing what they can to organize online. They have started a Facebook page and have coordinated a pressure campaign, emailing law enforcement officials and the local newspaper. There are hashtags, #IRunWithMaud and #JusticeForAhmaud, and T-shirts have been printed. But few people are on the streets to see their message.

“There are a lot of people absolutely ready to protest,” said Jason Vaughn, a football coach at Brunswick High School who coached Mr. Arbery, who was an outside linebacker. “But because of social distancing and being safe, we have to watch what’s going on with the coronavirus.”

Mr. Arbery was killed in Satilla Shores, a quiet middle-class enclave that abuts a network of marshlands about 15 minutes from downtown Brunswick and a short jog from Mr. Arbery’s neighborhood.

His friends and family said they believed that Mr. Arbery, who was wearing a white T-shirt, khaki shorts, Nike sneakers and a bandanna when he was killed, had been out exercising.

“Everybody in the community knows he runs,” said Mr. Vaughn, who said he saw Mr. Arbery jogging on the streets a few months ago. Mr. Vaughn said that he himself had raised suspicions by jogging through his own neighborhood in the suburbs of Brunswick, recalling a recent instance in which a white woman followed him in a van.

But others contend that Mr. Arbery was up to no good. On the day of the shooting, and apparently moments before the chase, a neighbor in Satilla Shores called 911, telling the dispatcher that a black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in.

“And he’s running right now,” the man told the dispatcher. “There he goes right now!”

In his letter to the police, Mr. Barnhill, the prosecutor, noted that Mr. Arbery had a criminal past. Court records show that Mr. Arbery was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, according to The Brunswick News, he was indicted on charges that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game.

Still, even if Mr. Arbery committed a property crime on the afternoon he was killed, activists and family members said it would not have warranted a chase by armed neighbors.

“This incident was at the least a case of overly zealous citizens that wrongfully profiled the victim without cause,” Mr. Perry wrote in an email. “These men felt justified in taking the law in their own hands.”

Ms. Cooper, Mr. Arbery’s mother, said she believed the men had judged her son by his skin color. And she does not believe he committed any crimes that day. If he had, she said, “he should have been handled by the police.”


Ms. Cooper pushed for Mr. Barnhill, a veteran prosecutor, to recuse himself from the case after she learned that his son works in the Brunswick district attorney’s office, which had previously employed Gregory McMichael. (The Brunswick district attorney, Jackie Johnson, recused herself early on, also because Mr. McMichael had worked in her office.)

“She believes there are kinships between the parties (there are not) and has made other unfounded allegations of bias(es),” Mr. Barnhill wrote in his letter, sent in early April, to the Glynn County Police Department. As such, Mr. Barnhill wrote, he had decided to step away from the case, and would ask Georgia’s attorney general’s office to pick another prosecutor.

Mr. Barnhill also wrote that he did not believe there was evidence of a crime, noting that Gregory McMichael and his son had been legally carrying their weapons under Georgia law. And because Mr. Arbery was a “burglary suspect,” the pursuers, who had “solid firsthand probable cause,” were justified in chasing him under the state’s citizen’s arrest law.

In a separate document, Mr. Barnhill stated that video exists of Mr. Arbery “burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation.” In the letter to the police, he cites a separate video of the shooting filmed by a third pursuer.

Mr. Barnhill said this video, which has not been made public, shows Mr. Arbery attacking Travis McMichael after he and his father pulled up to him in their truck.

The video shows Mr. Arbery trying to grab the shotgun from Travis McMichael’s hands, Mr. Barnhill wrote. And that, he argued, amounts to self-defense under Georgia law. Travis McMichael, Mr. Barnhill concluded, “was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

He noted that it was possible that Mr. Arbery had caused the gun to go off by pulling on it, and pointed to Mr. Arbery’s “mental health records” and prior convictions, which, he said, “help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.”

After Mr. Barnhill recused himself, the case was assigned to Tom Durden, in the city of Hinesville, Ga., who must now decide whether to present the case to a grand jury for possible indictments. In an interview last week, Mr. Durden said his team had begun reviewing the evidence. “We don’t know anything about the case,” he said. “We don’t have any preconceived idea about it.”

The police report is based almost solely upon the responding officer’s interview with Gregory McMichael, who had worked at the police department from 1982 to 1989. The responding officer describes him as a witness. According to the report, Mr. McMichael told the officer that he and his son pulled up near Mr. Arbery, that his son got out of the truck with the shotgun, and that his son and Mr. Arbery then fought over the weapon, “at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot.”

Michael J. Moore, an Atlanta lawyer who formerly served as a U.S. attorney in Georgia, reviewed Mr. Barnhill’s letter to the Glynn County Police Department, as well as the initial police report, at the request of The Times. In an email, Mr. Moore called Mr. Barnhill’s opinion “flawed.”

In his view, Mr. Moore said, the McMichaels appeared to be the aggressors in the confrontation, and such aggressors were not justified in using force under Georgia’s self-defense laws. “The law does not allow a group of people to form an armed posse and chase down an unarmed person who they believe might have possibly been the perpetrator of a past crime,” Mr. Moore wrote.

Nearly two months after the shooting, residents of Satilla Shores remained on guard. One woman angrily asked what a reporter was up to, and another approached almost immediately with similar questions, announcing that she was armed and that she had notified the police.

Mr. Vaughn, the football coach, said on Sunday that he and other activists had come up with a plan to keep the pressure on the authorities. They plan to drive to Mr. Durden’s office in Hinesville, he said, about an hour away. They will mark off spots on the sidewalk so that they remain several feet apart. And they will enter the building, one by one, to ask why the men who chased Mr. Arbery have not been arrested.
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With an update, a grand jury will decide.

ATLANTA — A Georgia district attorney said Tuesday that a grand jury should decide whether to bring charges in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old unarmed black man who was chased by two white men and shot in southern Georgia in February.

“After careful review of the evidence,” the prosecutor, Tom Durden, of Georgia’s Atlantic Judicial Circuit, wrote in a statement, “I am of the opinion that the case should be presented to the grand jury of Glynn County for consideration of criminal charges.”

Mr. Arbery was killed after the men pursued him while he was running in the Satilla Shores neighborhood just outside of Brunswick, in Glynn County. Neither man was arrested after the slaying, which occurred on Feb. 23 at about 1 p.m.

Mr. Arbery’s family and friends said he was an avid jogger, and they do not believe he committed a crime before being chased.

Anger over the case has been building among civil rights activists and others, with the Rev. Al Sharpton and state and local N.A.A.C.P. leaders calling for an investigation.


Mr. Durden said in a statement Tuesday that the case should go before a Glynn County grand jury once the state judicial system allows such bodies to be empaneled again. Because of the coronavirus pandemic, the Georgia Supreme Court has prohibited grand juries from meeting through June 12.

Mr. Durden is the third prosecutor to be assigned to the case after the other two recused themselves because of professional ties to Gregory McMichael, one of the men who pursued Mr. Arbery.

Mr. McMichael had recently retired after a long career as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s office. He had also served seven years as an officer in the Glynn County Police Department.

One of the prosecutors who was previously assigned to the case, George E. Barnhill of the Waycross Judicial District, had advised police that there was insufficient probable cause to arrest Mr. Arbery’s pursuers, arguing that they had acted legally under the state’s citizen arrest and self-defense statutes, according to documents obtained by The New York Times.

Mr. Barnhill eventually asked to be removed from the case because his son worked in the Waycross prosecutor’s office with Mr. McMichael.

According to a police report, Mr. McMichael, 64, said he saw Mr. Arbery running through his neighborhood and thought that he looked like the suspect in a rash of nearby break-ins. Mr. McMichael and his son Travis, 34, armed themselves and began chasing him in a truck.

A confrontation between Mr. Arbery and Travis McMichael, who was carrying a shotgun, eventually ensued, and Mr. Arbery was shot at least twice.

A graphic video surfaced online Tuesday that appeared to show the shooting. In a letter to the police department, Mr. Barnhill described a video made by a third man who had joined the McMichaels in “hot pursuit” of Mr. Arbery.
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We have a modern day lynching, while we are continually told racism is dead in America. I am sure this is getting as much coverage on Fox News and certain places on the internet as Jussie Smollett. Yeah, I can't imagine why the Right Wing is considered racist, when they are more moved by a fake racism story, then an actual one.
 
I read more about the case last night. These two were doing more than reporting a crime. They were hunting him down. He saw them, and ran away. They drove around and found him again.

Now put yourself in his position. You’re out for a normal jog not bothering anyone. Two white men in a pickup truck try to stop you. You get away and they follow you. Then you see they have guns. Do you run? Fight for your life? After they shot him, did either of them immediately call 911? Nope.

Meanwhile, in Michigan, angry white men are allowed to carry weapons into a statehouse, and not a single shot is fired by anyone.

If you are a black man, you can not go anywhere in this country without immediately being considered a threat for just standing there.
 
Teelie said:
Another "Stand Your Ground" law being used to justify murder in a case where it should have absolutely no legal standing. And once again it's a couple of good ole' boy white guys murdering a black man.

Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges

A 25-year-old man running through a Georgia neighborhood ended up dead. A prosecutor argued that the pursuers should not be arrested.



New York Times

With an update, a grand jury will decide.
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The length to which that NYT article goes to detail the victim's "criminal past" and referring to checking out an under-construction house as "property crime" and "possible burglary" is frankly disgusting. Even if he was literally running down the street with a flatscreen TV he had just stolen from these murderers' house, that is in no way justifiable reason to shoot someone.
 
CaptainWagner said:
The length to which that NYT article goes to detail the victim's "criminal past" and referring to checking out an under-construction house as "property crime" and "possible burglary" is frankly disgusting. Even if he was literally running down the street with a flatscreen TV he had just stolen from these murderers' house, that is in no way justifiable reason to shoot someone.
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That’s why I stopped reading the times. They get accused of being a liberal rag, but reality is they aren’t great for either side.
 
Yeah, they really went to town when a lot of the bail reforms started going into effect in NY.

"Law and Order" and "Crime and Punishment" are still quite popular among party lines.
 
I'm not an American so I don't know how everything works in your country, but how are these guys not in jail right now? That seems insane to me :huh:

Stories like this really make me question if I ever should visit America. (Since I'm biracial)
 
Erik20 said:
I'm not an American so I don't know how everything works in your country, but how are these guys not in jail right now? That seems insane to me :huh:

Stories like this really make me question if I ever should visit America. (Since I'm biracial)
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Things very from state to state (which is absurd, IMO, but we're junkies for the federal system) In most cases, they can't be held in prison unless they're charged. And in this state, apparently a crime like this has to be brought before a grand jury, which multiple local and state officials refused to do until now. They've declined to act because of "Stand Your Ground" laws (such as the ones that acquitted George Zimmerman) are loosely interpreted to allow residents of states that have such laws to shoot anyone they perceive as threatening. Thankfully, it is finally being taken to a Grand Jury, but because of those laws, and the deep-rooted racial biases still omnipresent in America (especially in the South) there's no way of knowing if they'll truly face justice.
 
Every state acts like its own little country. Double edged sword.
 
CaptainWagner said:
Things very from state to state (which is absurd, IMO, but we're junkies for the federal system) In most cases, they can't be held in prison unless they're charged. And in this state, apparently a crime like this has to be brought before a grand jury, which multiple local and state officials refused to do until now. They've declined to act because of "Stand Your Ground" laws (such as the ones that acquitted George Zimmerman) are loosely interpreted to allow residents of states that have such laws to shoot black people. Thankfully, it is finally being taken to a Grand Jury, but because of those laws, and the deep-rooted racial biases still omnipresent in America (especially in the South) there's no way of knowing if they'll truly face justice.
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Fixed.
 
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