Duncan Jones' Warcraft - Part 2

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I read that it's tracking to do record numbers in China. This could truly be a film where international box office does save it.
 
Kyle said:
It's because as guessed, the aim for the film was oddly never general audiences. They were too focused on the gamers. My bet is the Hollywood Reporter critic played the game. Here gamers can't take what critics say at heart because most critics aren't gamers.

As Variety even notes....
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I'm certainly no GA in this case. I'm so old, I played WC1-2 on Intel 486 PC. I tested my sound card in setup menu. So I have zero idea what GA will think. Something tells me it's gonna be like Dredd. Fans and geeks will love it (especially in countries, where playing MMO games is a full time job), GA will be largely unimpressed (except for visuals, probably). But since fan base of WC is far larger than of Judge Dredd comic books, it will be more successful in BO. It already shows impressive pre-sale results in various countries. China, Russia...
 
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OutOfBoose said:
I'm certainly no GA in this case. I'm so old, I played WC1-2 on Intel 486 PC. I tested my sound card in setup menu. So I have zero idea what GA will think. Something tells me it's gonna be like Dredd. Fans and geeks will love it (especially in countries, where MMO games is a full time job), GA will be largely unimpressed (except for visuals, probably). But since fan base of WC is far larger than of Judge Dredd comic books, it will be more successful in BO. It already sets records in various countries. China, Russia...
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More successful than Dredd but a GIANT problem. This is the first summer movie tent poll I have no interest at all in seeing in 28 YEARS. Everything I've seen so far is very alienating, whereas it reeks as only caring about the gamers and throwing g.a. under the bus. Can a quality movie be made that is catering to both fans and general audiences? Yes. Does this? The reviews point to no which is a huge problem since films by their very nature especially with this budget shouldn't be alienating.

People are jumping at the critics while forgetting their response will largely be how the general audience receives it. Their job isn't to tell us what gamers think, if that was the case those trades would have put their video game writers on it. Their job is, and they did, to tell us what those who have no idea what the game is whether we should spend our money on it or not and that's what they did. Gamers may hate that, but a film has to be more than just niche based especially at this budget. These reviews don't surprise me at all since it's the exact same reaction I had to all of marketing material they put out.
 
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Look, there are game based films, that people enjoyed big time, but were panned by critics - Resident Evil (guilty pleasure of James Cameron, by the way), Mortal Kombat. If someone is using critics to decide if he/she should watch the film, I can only pity such person.

I find it stupid to be so dependent on someone's opinion. I can understand if someone just dislikes what he sees in trailers and decided not to watch it in a theater. But critic reception...
 
OutOfBoose said:
Negative critic reaction is pretty much a given.
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Marvolo said:
Im not expecting this to be a winner with the critics. Even the best material Warcraft has to offer will probably be dismissed as fantasy drivel for pimple faced nerds. I doubt they will give this film an inch of slack no matter how "fun" it is.

While Im definitely curious to see how badly the critics react to the film, they wont be swaying me from seeing the film in theaters.
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Oh come one, we are better then this in the Misc. Films section. :(
 
OutOfBoose said:
Look, there are game based films, that people enjoyed big time, but were panned by critics - Resident Evil (guilty pleasure of James Cameron, by the way), Mortal Kombat. If someone is using critics to decide if he/she should watch the film, I can only pity such person.

I find it stupid to be so dependent on someone's opinion.
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I'd say more these reviews just reaffirm the belief that a lot of non gamers have had about the film already. As said these were my thoughts to the marketing material. I just had no idea if it was abysmal marketing or if the final product would be this dull and alienating, which it turns out to be. I couldn't fathom anyone would be so daff as to say "screw the general audience" thus critics would let me know if it was terrible alienating marketing or if that was a true reflection upon the film which it turned out to be. Basically while for gamers it might seem harsh, for general audiences a lot of being on the fence was the exact reason these critics panned the film, that they completely forgot they were making a movie that had to sell to the masses. Dredd had Rated R action, thus mostly general audiences unfamiliar with the comics can latch onto that.... Here politics of orcs and man and all of this other stuff they've been showing, it just comes off as dull (and that's from someone who one of my favorite films ever is JFK, so I dig politics - here not at all).
 
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DarthSkywalker said:
What kind of records?
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Presales are open for Warcraft, X-men Apocalypse, and Alice in China. Warcraft presales are massive considering how far out they are. Several times higher than those other two combined. Like bigger than Civil War and possibly closer to Furious 7 massive.
Yesterday presales for the midnight releases of each film was as follows
Alice - 146k
X-Men - 78k
Warcraft - 2.77M
Warcraft was up to 4.66M for the midnight showing this morning. The film is still two weeks away. Civil War's midnight presales were 4.7M when the film was 48 hours away from release.
 
This is early. Can we at least give the critics time to have some sort of consensus before we lose it? Preemptive attacks from both sides are totally unnecessary. Also, lets not act like the critics don't know what a good movie is. Don't have to agree, but 9 times out of 10, they agree with the general consensus.
 
Kyle said:
I'd say more these reviews just reaffirm the belief that a lot of non gamers have had about the film already. As said these were my thoughts to the marketing material. I just had no idea if it was abysmal marketing or if the final product would be this dull and alienating, which it turns out to be. Basically while for gamers it might seem harsh, for general audiences a lot of being on the fence was the exact reason these critics panned the film, that they completely forgot they were making a movie that had to sell to the masses.
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Let's wait for more reviews and, what's far more important, BO performance.
 
Logan0327 said:
Presales are open for Warcraft, X-men Apocalypse, and Alice in China. Warcraft presales are massive considering how far out they are. Several times higher than those other two combined. Like bigger than Civil War and possibly closer to Furious 7 massive.
Yesterday presales for the midnight releases of each film was as follows
Alice - 146k
X-Men - 78k
Warcraft - 2.77M
Warcraft was up to 4.66M for the midnight showing this morning. The film is still two weeks away. Civil War's midnight presales were 4.7M when the film was 48 hours away from release.
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Thank you for the info. Do they have numbers for other countries?
 
OutOfBoose said:
Let's wait for more reviews and, what's far more important, BO performance.
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No need. I can see you're a gamer and fan of this series. But those reviews don't sound obnoxious at all to me. I can see how gamers would be let down and offended at viewing the material as dull and lifeless. But, that's as said exactly as I saw the marketing material and everything released. If it improves I'll consider it, but given how spot on these reviews have been to all the footage I've seen? I highly doubt it will change. As said, all of the footage released just comes off as highly alienating.

With that said, I don't think gamers should listen to normal film critics here. At all. Most normal film critics aren't gamers. If the marketing material and these reviews are an indication this is an alienating film which (being alienating) will rub them the wrong way. As Variety said, gamers would without a doubt have a much different reaction to the film than film critics. They're here to just provide us with how general audiences will regard it. I'd say stick with gaming sites and boards for a more accurate reflection of what you might think since chances are this will divide audiences by a lot.
 
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OutOfBoose said:
Please, point where and how I **** on them.
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You dismissed their opinion as of course it is going to be negative, as if they have some preconceived notion. You know the critics that gave incredibly good scores to Fury Road and Zootopia.

I, who thought John Wick had no chance of being good, was shocked by the critical reaction, showed the qualities of that film.
 
I just got my Lootcrate today and i'm wearing the Warcraft shirt they sent out with it when I go see the movie.

This might seem odd...but for movies like Warcraft....I put more faith in a Jeremey Jahns or Andre the Black Nerd, Jo Schmoes review than some of main critics.
 
Kyle said:
No need. I can see you're a gamer and fan of this series. But those reviews don't sound obnoxious at all to me. I can see how gamers would be let down and offended at viewing the material as dull and lifeless. But, that's as said exactly as I saw the marketing material and everything released. If it improves I'll consider it, but given how spot on these reviews have been to all the footage I've seen? I highly doubt it will change. As said, all of the footage released just comes off as highly alienating.
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I didn't like trailers, but clips grabbed me. They have absolutely different energy and feel. Those 4 clips, released a week ago - that's what sold me on the film.
With that said, I don't think gamers should listen to normal film critics here. At all. Most normal film critics aren't gamers. If the marketing material and these reviews are an indication this is an alienating film which (being alienating) will rub them the wrong way. As Variety said, gamers would without a doubt have a much different reaction to the film than film critics.
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Gamers won't be listening to critics. They're booking tickets already.
 
Kyle said:
No need. I can see you're a gamer and fan of this series. But those reviews don't sound obnoxious at all to me. I can see how gamers would be let down and offended at viewing the material as dull and lifeless. But, that's as said exactly as I saw the marketing material and everything released. If it improves I'll consider it, but given how spot on these reviews have been to all the footage I've seen? I highly doubt it will change. As said, all of the footage released just comes off as highly alienating.

With that said, I don't think gamers should listen to normal film critics here. At all. Most normal film critics aren't gamers. If the marketing material and these reviews are an indication this is an alienating film which (being alienating) will rub them the wrong way. As Variety said, gamers would without a doubt have a much different reaction to the film than film critics. They're here to just provide us with how general audiences will regard it. I'd say stick with gaming sites and boards for a more accurate reflection of what you might think since chances are this will divide audiences by a lot.
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Often I cringe at the film taste (or knowledge) of nerds who are strictly tied into video game and comic book, and not into film. Cringe at their taste.
 
The trailers are terrible. I will not go see a film with terrible trailers and poor reviews.
 
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