Age of Ultron Early Avengers 2 Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[Marvin]

As far as the issue of “quality” though, what people enjoy is what they enjoy and be it some person asking deep questions, two space ships shooting each other, two robots fighting each other, a costumed person hitting another costumed person in the face through a building, or a awesome car making a awesome stunt from a building to a ramp in a airplane, it’s all good as long as people enjoy it.

The F&F series is/was fun (I hear they are going to keep going with it) and it has a following, so it’s fine if you don’t care for that type of film and that’s your right, but it shouldn’t be dismissed as a lesser series simply because it’s focus is to tell a fun/exciting story you don’t care for as others apparently do and that’s enough of a justification and doesn’t need to be proven further, just respect others are different.

"I gotta agree with all of this. "

 

[Tymminator]

"I gotta agree with all of this. "

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[Pond]

But also if a Chinese actor gives a world beating performance in a Chinese film they might appreciate that without a language barrier or terrible dub while its quality might be lost on non-Chinese audiences if the dub to other languages was terrible. Pretty much every country likes the big action but I think you're more sensitive to plot and acting when the film is in a language you know or the performance of the translated actor is comparable to the actual actor.

A lot of people dont give a damn about the story or the dialogue in the USA, when the movie is in English. Why you think the chinese would? You know how many people ADORE the Beatles around the world and know not one word of English? The Rolling? Radiohead? Oais? You name it. They learn to sing them and they dont know what they mean. They listen to the music. If you think about it, loving a song without knowing the lyrics sounds terryfing. But people sometimes just make do with what they can have.

Its a big world, and people are smarter and more resourcefull than one might think.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with reviews for any film, I'm saying that there seems to be claim that Age of Ultron is seen by everyone as the far superior film and that is just blantatly untrue.

I'm just a person who hates when untrue things are said and cannot let it slide. Regarding FF7's reviews; The reviews I've read for FF7 aren't calling it anywhere near a masterpiece in anyway, at best they called it a dumb but entertaining action film with a hard emotional kick at the end. Nobody is calling it an instant classic. The reviews for both films individually are decent from the vast majority of critics collectively. Now anyone is capable and well within their rights to think that either film is horrible or a masterwork but neither of those views are a consensus view. Doesn't mean that one's opinion is wrong if they have those views but don't claim that those are the consensus views of the films when they are in fact not.

 

[Pond]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with reviews for any film, I'm saying that there seems to be claim that Age of Ultron is seen by everyone as the far superior film and that is just blantatly untrue.

I'm just a person who hates when untrue things are said and cannot let it slide. Regarding FF7's reviews; The reviews I've read for FF7 aren't calling it anywhere near a masterpiece in anyway, at best they called it a dumb but entertaining action film with a hard emotional kick at the end. Nobody is calling it an instant classic. The reviews for both films individually are decent from the vast majority of critics collectively. Now anyone is capable and well within their rights to think that either film is horrible or a masterwork but neither of those views are a consensus view. Doesn't mean that one's opinion is wrong if they have those views but don't claim that those are the consensus views of the films when they are in fact not.

There isnt a consensus view. Some reviews of AOU are spectacular, as good or better than the first. Some arent. And some are really bad, comparing it even with Transformers.

Was the first more widely positive in its reception? Yes. But that doesnt even tell half the story. Even the first one had plenty of reviewers saying it was just fan service that worked but was nothing special. many positive reviews of the first Avengers were rather patronizing. More and event than a movie.

Consensus is hard to get. It has to bee either very bad or very good a reception to even contemplate the concept of "consensus". In a movie like AOU, where you can get "ovestuffed" vs "well balanced", "Whedon has been buried under the machine" vs "Its totally Whedon to the bone", "Its no better than Transformers" vs "What makes it so much better thatn Transforners its the fact it has SOUL", the idea of consensus is rather out of the question.

You see, you cant just put all reviews together and try to make some percentage. Its fun, its entertaining, but something like Rottentomatoes is probably the most useless and lazy way to gather information about one movies critical reception.

Art is personal. So is being a critic. Its too complex to be reduced to something like rottentomatoes.

 

[warhorse78]

That scene probably added few hundred million in American markets as well.

Well, sadly, all it takes is a tease of just one scene to get the butts in the seats. I myself would never had given much thought to the Mission Impossible series, if it weren't for the teaser of Cruise scaling the building in Dubai.

 

[Dark Raven]

Damn wasn't TDK in the top 5 worldwide just a few years ago.

Well when I made the post earlier, AOU was still the 21st highest grossing film. I didn't expect it to jump so many places in just a few hours to the 8th highest just below Iron man 3. It leapt over all the POTC, Transformers, LOTF and Dark Knight films. And Skyfall dropped out of the top 10.

But can it even catch Furious 7 and overtake it? It looks like that is going to overtake Avengers. Will AOU surpass Avengers?

 

[warhorse78]

A lot of people dont give a damn about the story or the dialogue in the USA, when the movie is in English. Why you think the chinese would? You know how many people ADORE the Beatles around the world and know not one word of English? The Rolling? Radiohead? Oais? You name it. They learn to sing them and they dont know what they mean. They listen to the music. If you think about it, loving a song without knowing the lyrics sounds terryfing. But people sometimes just make do with what they can have.

Its a big world, and people are smarter and more resourcefull than one might think.

That's true. I remember back in the day, the Spanish song Macarena came out, and it was a huge hit, regardless if one spoke Spanish or not. It was just a catchy, fun tune that people liked to dance and chant with.

 

[Tymminator]

That's true. I remember back in the day, the Spanish song Macarena came out, and it was a huge hit, regardless if one spoke Spanish or not. It was just a catchy, fun tune that people liked to dance and chant with.

Heh, I remember people dancing to that song at the clubs.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with reviews for any film, I'm saying that there seems to be claim that Age of Ultron is seen by everyone as the far superior film and that is just blantatly untrue.

I'm just a person who hates when untrue things are said and cannot let it slide. Regarding FF7's reviews; The reviews I've read for FF7 aren't calling it anywhere near a masterpiece in anyway, at best they called it a dumb but entertaining action film with a hard emotional kick at the end. Nobody is calling it an instant classic. The reviews for both films individually are decent from the vast majority of critics collectively. Now anyone is capable and well within their rights to think that either film is horrible or a masterwork but neither of those views are a consensus view. Doesn't mean that one's opinion is wrong if they have those views but don't claim that those are the consensus views of the films when they are in fact not.

Nobody made that claim. I was only saying that TF4 the previous owner of the record in China is generally seen as a bad film. The point is they look for alot of action which TF4 and FF7 seem to deliver. AoU also surpassed any other MCU film in China, so I'm not sure what the big controversy is here.

 

[Iceman]

A lot of people dont give a damn about the story or the dialogue in the USA, when the movie is in English. Why you think the chinese would? You know how many people ADORE the Beatles around the world and know not one word of English? The Rolling? Radiohead? Oais? You name it. They learn to sing them and they dont know what they mean. They listen to the music. If you think about it, loving a song without knowing the lyrics sounds terryfing. But people sometimes just make do with what they can have.

Its a big world, and people are smarter and more resourcefull than one might think.

Good music is good even when you take out lyrics (even if the lyrics are great). But take the action out of an action film and sometimes what's underneath isn't enough. And all songs have music but many films have no action at all. I don't think this comparison works.

 

[Iceman]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with reviews for any film, I'm saying that there seems to be claim that Age of Ultron is seen by everyone as the far superior film and that is just blantatly untrue.

I'm just a person who hates when untrue things are said and cannot let it slide. Regarding FF7's reviews; The reviews I've read for FF7 aren't calling it anywhere near a masterpiece in anyway, at best they called it a dumb but entertaining action film with a hard emotional kick at the end. Nobody is calling it an instant classic. The reviews for both films individually are decent from the vast majority of critics collectively. Now anyone is capable and well within their rights to think that either film is horrible or a masterwork but neither of those views are a consensus view. Doesn't mean that one's opinion is wrong if they have those views but don't claim that those are the consensus views of the films when they are in fact not.

I think these kinds of posts work better when you quote someone that makes one of these claims. Otherwise the people you're talking about may remain oblivious and those who you aren't talking about may become paranoid that you are (already happened to me with a couple of these statements before).

 

[Tony Stark]

I get and understand that Avengers reviews are higher than those for Age of Ultron. I liked the first one better myself. But regarding reviews though and using Fast & Furious series as an example, here is my point...

When it comes to FF7 though, I see a RT score of 82% when F6 IMO was better and had a RT score of 69% and F5 which I feel is the VERY best F&F film of them all and it has a score of 78%.


That’s why I feel FF7 is getting a pass because of Walker’s death. People can feel I’m off or wrong and that’s fine and their opinion, and like what’s been stated quite a few times it doesn’t diminish what AoU is doing and like I said before I don’t even really consider it a bad thing (I’m glad FF7 was Walker’s send off instead of like “Brick Mansions” as that would have sucked).


But there is nobody on the planet who is going to convince me F7 is a better movie then F5 even though FF7 has a way higher RT score, no way in Hades.


As far as the issue of “quality” though, what people enjoy is what they enjoy and be it some person asking deep questions, two space ships shooting each other, two robots fighting each other, a costumed person hitting another costumed person in the face through a building, or a awesome car making a awesome stunt from a building to a ramp in a airplane, it’s all good as long as people enjoy it.

The F&F series is/was fun (I hear they are going to keep going with it) and it has a following, so it’s fine if you don’t care for that type of film and that’s your right, but it shouldn’t be dismissed as a lesser series simply because it’s focus is to tell a fun/exciting story you don’t care for as others apparently do and that’s enough of a justification and doesn’t need to be proven further, just respect others are different.

100% spot on. Hey I love the FF series, and I'm so happy for the success of FF7 as a tribute to Walker. Plus I believe Universal is donating part of the profits to Walker's charitable organization, so the more money it makes the better.

But you are right, there was a large group of fans of the series that didn't like it as much as some of the previous installments. The critics rated it higher, but I feel it wasn't as good as the last two or three, but I understand why they couldn't do what they wanted to do with it.

I'm totally fine with it getting a boost because of Walker. The guy was a class act and my only regret is that he can't be around to celebrate its success.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with reviews for any film, I'm saying that there seems to be claim that Age of Ultron is seen by everyone as the far superior film and that is just blantatly untrue.

I'm just a person who hates when untrue things are said and cannot let it slide. Regarding FF7's reviews; The reviews I've read for FF7 aren't calling it anywhere near a masterpiece in anyway, at best they called it a dumb but entertaining action film with a hard emotional kick at the end. Nobody is calling it an instant classic. The reviews for both films individually are decent from the vast majority of critics collectively. Now anyone is capable and well within their rights to think that either film is horrible or a masterwork but neither of those views are a consensus view. Doesn't mean that one's opinion is wrong if they have those views but don't claim that those are the consensus views of the films when they are in fact not.

I have not seen anyone say the reviews for AoU were as strong as The Avengers.

 

[Tymminator]

Plus I believe Universal is donating part of the profits to Walker's charitable organization, so the more money it makes the better.

I didn't know about that part, that's pretty cool!

 

[Wildcard]

^ They've been doing so since the DVD release of Fast 6. It's really awesome.

 

[sueb1863]

Heh, I remember people dancing to that song at the clubs.

I saw people dancing to it at a Civil War reenactment. That song was *everywhere*!

 

[JOE]

Civil War will beat AoU in the box office, I guarantee it.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Lol well in that case...

 

[Mysteryman]

Does anybody here think its possible Fury Road will fall from second place before Memorial Day weekend ?

 

[Tony Stark]

Does anybody here think its possible Fury Road will fall from second place before Memorial Day weekend ?

I don't know. I'm real confused on it. It seems like it would bode for a leggy run, but the Cinemascore was pretty low. But as others have pointed out that doesn't always mean everything.

I think the film most poised to drop is PP2. I think that will be fairly front loaded. At a minimum it's a 60% drop but I think it's probably set for a 70% drop or so, however with the holiday weekend that could save it from a total free fall with the extra day.

I saw both films over the weekend. MMFR is definitely the more satisfying of the two for me. I liked PP1 although I saw it on Netflix and not in the theater. The quality of the first film prompted me to see the second in the theater with my wife, who is also a big fan. There are some true LOL moments in the film, but the script is a mess, and the whole thing seems like it's slapped together. There's a part that makes the complaining about the Avengers going off to Clint's farm killing the pacing, seem mute. They go off to some camp that's run by the chick who pukes on everyone in the first film. It was totally unnecessary and out of place, and I'd rather have seen some other scenes built up.

If I had to guess without crunching the numbers I'd say next weekend will look like this:

1.) Tomorrow Land
2.) MMFR
3.) PP2
4.) AoU

If PP does have a 70% drop there's a chance that AoU could hang on to the no 3 spot, if it can have a -40%. The holiday is really going to make things kind of strange. I think that Tomorrow Land would probably hurt Avengers more than the other two films, as it's a similar demographic.

 

[Leenie]

Civil War will beat AoU in the box office, I guarantee it.

I can see this happening. It will ride off the success of Winter Soldier (one of the best comic book movies ever, in my opinion), Iron Man is in it (a clear fan favorite with the general audience), and ... Of course, Spider-Man.

When Spider-Man was announced to appear in the MCU, my hype for Civil War outshined my hype for AoU.

 

[Mysteryman]

MMFR may end up up with 45 million.
Today is a holiday in Canada.
It is boosting the North America numbers .

 

[take3]

 

[ctsketch]

We are still only assuming Spider-man will be in civil war