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Episode 04 Discussion - "Collision" | October 16

Gold Samurai said:
*thinks real hard like Hiro*


nope nothing lol

future hiro with the ninja sword/black clothes and perfect english lol
trunks.jpg

I'm Trun-uhhhh..... Hiro! Yeah, I'm from the future!

nathan looks like he's gonna be doing the superman thing ;)


DAMN YOU BEAT ME TO IT..I WAS THINKING...TRUNKS
 
AnimeJune said:
Because I know your response. I'm going to say, "I have not been raped", and you'll say, "Then you can't possibly understand Claire's situation, blah blah blah".

There's no excuse for rape.

There's no excuse for murder, either.

Claire is supposed to be a HERO - HEROES are above that.
of course there's no excuse for either, and that's exactly what makes her character even better

but think about this for a moment, this girl is really conflicted about what's happening to herself, she a frigging cheerleader, chances are she has never been that connected to the whole geek world (how many cheerleaders do you know that are comic or sci fi geeks?), all that is not sitting well with her

and suddenly she gets date raped and murdered by a guy she liked, and wakes up all opened and on a slab... I can bet you a hundred she was a little bit ticked off, now add the fact that she knows that someone else had been put through that before, what she did, although is not acceptable (it's as acceptable as Hiro cheating in Vegas or Niki and Nathan sleeping together), it's just natural that she did it

did you notice how she felt guilty of what had happened to her? as if she had been the one that caused it? her acting was on spot throughout the episode, specially when she got home

a very frequent theme I've seen on the show is preciesly how normal people are reacting to something they cannot understand
 
Bishop2 said:
Ah yes, Nathan. The "happily married" politician with the power to... sleep with the first willing chick he meets in Vegas. Dick.
anyone noticed how he's starting to wonder about his powers?
 
Very cool episode. It looks like Claire is actually gonna use her ability at least once, despite the evil intentions. Great to know the most powerful one has a moral code. Nathan must be embracing his power if he's thinking about flying. Interesting take on the painter's ability, and those drawings are pure Tim Sale, love it. And it's about time Shuresh ran into a hero.

But dang, what happened to Matt? He was only in the beginning and never seen again?

Future Hiro! It caught me off guard at first, but it makes sense that he could travel back in time. Glad to know he picks up English somewhere down the line. And nice homage to Dragonball-Z.

I may need to watch it a second time, but for now thumbs up on this one.
 
This show is so frickin' awesome. Somehow it gets me more pumped with each new episode. Future Hiro was unexpected and cool. It's also safe to say that the heroes will become aquainted with each other in the near future. I loved the whole episode, I can't wait for next week!
 
They should really change the name to Hiro and kick everyone else out.
 
Claire was totally justified to do what she did. She's straight gangsta
 
Enzyme said:
Some of you people are really, really, really, really, really, really easily impressed.

The only good part about this episode was Hiro getting hit in the face. I like Hiro, but that was comedy. And there as nothing "OMG!! Awesome!" about future Hiro. "You look different without your scar." What? Seriously? That's some pretty bad writing. "Peter has a scar in the future!!! Holy Sheyat, the future must be wicked scary." Who the hell is stupid enough to say that to someone's panicking past self when you're trying to keep them calm. The only thing you're going to do is make the fact that time has stopped even more horrifying.

Nikki's 'Hulk', felt about as threatening as acne. I didn't like Nikki/Ali to begin with, but this pathetic attempted at being 'bad-ass' makes me hate her more. Her "You're different" interaction with her son was something else we could have done without. Terrible.

Claire killed the rapist, finally something to like about her. We need someone who doesn't have a problem with killing people. Claire>Nikki/Hulk

Nathan, yawn. Shuresh, yawn. Peter's love triangle with FuturePaint, boring. She's not even that attractive. It's really hard to like anyone in this show apart from Hiro.

People have compared it to Lost, it's far, very far, very very very far from being anywhere near as good as Lost. And someone said it puts Smallville to shame, then Smallville must be one of the badly written, boring shows ever made and I'm glad I never view it as anything more than Superman trying to be Spider-Man.

Man, want some cheese with all that whine? Heroes is a great show because it's high in quality and drama. It gives us just enough to get excited about, but leaves us wanting more. Lost is well acted, but after 3 seasons they really should get to the point. Every episode of Lost I see I just go "huh?" and nothing is explained. Smallville is a good show, but not really in the smae vein as Heroes. Smallville has really lost it's way here and there and is just now getting back on track. This should be it's last season, but I doubt it. Heroes brings us something that we haven't really had on TV since "V" or "Alien Nation", that is a Sci-Fi or action show done in a very realistic and interesting manner. If you don't like, don't watch it, so we don't have to hear you complain.
 
Darthphere said:
They should really change the name to Hiro and kick everyone else out.

Better yet, just change the spelling to "Hiros" and make it all about the adventures of Present Hiro and Future Hiro! The ultimate buddy story!
 
Bishop2 said:
That sword-lookin' handle is probably just a wiffleball bat or something.


haha i find it coincidentally your named bishop from x-men who traveled back in time.

this could have easily been a season finale but then again the endings for the eps so far all have that "unresolved" feeling

I have an audio file of "super hero time" from sentai but no video to go along with it
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mj7i2i

for those unfamilar with sentai. They start some of their shows with

"super hero time!! starts now!"
 
Bishop2 said:
Ah yes, Nathan. The "happily married" politician with the power to... sleep with the first willing chick he meets in Vegas. Dick.

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...unless millions of people are watching on NBC I suppose. Great episode. Really enjoying this show.
 
AnimeJune said:
Because I know your response. I'm going to say, "I have not been raped", and you'll say, "Then you can't possibly understand Claire's situation, blah blah blah".

There's no excuse for rape.

There's no excuse for murder, either.

Claire is supposed to be a HERO - HEROES are above that.

Take a look at this weeks graphic novel "Aftermath" before you give up on her.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/
 
IzzyJG99 said:
He's a Power Mimic because Jeph Loeb said he is. In a TV Guide interview after the pilot preimere Jeph said that Peter is a power mimic. Anyone who he is in contact with that is special he is able to mimic their powers. He's able to fly when he's with Nathan, he's able to see the future almost on command when around Issac. Obviously when he is around Hiro, he will be able to mimic Hiro's powers. To what extent he can mimic is unknown.

Power Mimics are tough customers in the comics, I tell you. It'll be interesting to see Peter go up against that black dude who has unknown telepathic abilities. I expect a good little scene to be exchanged between them.
Now, now - for one thing, it might be a rather useless power in some respects. So far, he's mimicked the powers mildly. Around his soaring brother, he hovers. Around the psychic artist, he doodles one incident. Besides, if anyone can consistantly defend themselves against one power, it would have to be their own power, don't you think?

And to continue my argument with PLAS - I'm not sure she was raped. He was definitely going to DO it had she not been so inconveniently skewered, but they never specify what happens afterward other than that he tried to dispose of the body.

And her attack - it wasn't natural. She didn't just fly into a rage and kill him in a fit of vengeful passion. She planned it - she was perfectly calm throughout the whole driving incident. That took conscious thought.
 
Bishop2 said:
Well... it obviously all depends on your personal moral barometer.

Is it evil to maim or possibly even kill someone to prevent them from raping teenage girls?
Yes, especially when you don't even try using other less fatal methods to stop the rapist first.

Right now she has a very weak sense of right and wrong. She is the type of character that the villian(s) will probably turn.
 
Armand Z Trip said:
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...unless millions of people are watching on NBC I suppose. Great episode. Really enjoying this show.


Unless you get STD ;) then it sure doesn't stay in Vegas :D
 
dusk soldier said:
Yes, especially when you don't even try using other less fatal methods to stop the rapist first.

Right now she has a very weak sense of right and wrong. She is the type of character that the villian(s) will probably turn.

the guy killed her and dumped her body in the river, if it wasn't her, it would of been some other girl who really would of died, and he pretty much said he'd do it again.
what else would she do go to the cops and say this guy tried to rap me, and killed me, even though I don't have a stratch on me.
anyway, who said he die
 
AnimeJune said:
Also, with Claire's storyline - I was put off by the whole "you're never going to change, are you?" exchange while she was driving the car. It was like they were trying to justify what she does, but there's no excusing it - she's probably killed or crippled him. A sixteen year old boy. Nice going, Claire.


Unless you have someone you know who's been raped you don't know nothing of what it does to a women especially to a child-as long as I live I will never forget the look of a child face after she was raped. My ex was raped(twice!) and 3 of my cousins, I know the horror of it and I agree 100% rapist should get the death penatly, I'm glad Claire killed him or serious maim him. No great lose to me, world be better off without those type of people
 
it was a great episode last night! Everything I thought was going to happen happened and then the end was totally kick ass! I mean Hiro from the future with a sweet sword/english/wierd eye! Claire is going to obvisioulsy get what is coming to her due to the accident (why else would they have to save her? Save the cheerleader, save the world!)
Plus we finally see Nikis other side come out, that was freakin awesome. I'm just with the rest of the few people wondering about the cop, and with the whole mind wipe thing?
 
AtrophyG4 said:
Take a look at this weeks graphic novel "Aftermath" before you give up on her.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/
Ah...well this certainly explains a lot. Still, while she only intending to freak him out, a car accident is an incredibly risky way to go about doing it, don't you think?

She does save him, though, so she does redeem herself. Thank you for showing this to me, it definitely explains her reasoning a lot more than her really creepy in-car scene. What's going to happen now that he knows?

Morg, that's awful - I didn't intend to insinuate that rape isn't deserving of punishment (castration would be my punishment of choice, actually....). It's understandable what Claire did, and her actions in the comic show that she came through, but two wrongs never make a right - they just make more wrong.
 
AnimeJune said:
Morg, that's awful - I didn't intend to insinuate that rape isn't deserving of punishment (castration would be my punishment of choice, actually....). It's understandable what Claire did, and her actions in the comic show that she came through, but two wrongs never make a right - they just make more wrong.


castration doesn't always work *taps head* that's the part where's the sickos gets his kicks and I know one dude even after being castrated he still attacked a girl using his hands and mouth on her, jail for life or death is the only way to stop them.
 
Morg said:
castration doesn't always work *taps head* that's the part where's the sickos gets his kicks and I know one dude even after being castrated he still attacked a girl using his hands and mouth on her, jail for life or death is the only way to stop them.
Oh.....kay.

I'm never leaving my house again.

Jail for life!
 
This episode kicked rear, even if it lacked the action sequence of last week (Matt vs. Syler). The characters are starting to come together after the first month's worth of episodes, either directly (Peter meeting with Mohinder to find Isaac, or Nikki having sex with Nathan) or indirectly (Hiro & his buddy happening to be in Vegas at the same time Nikki & Nathan are). When I hear the talk of Mohinder's father's research and the whole "evolution" theory they have to explain the sudden burst of super-powers, yeah, I'll admit it does sound a lot like "mutants" and the X-Men (only without the derogitory term like "mutant"). But that's not a major problem for me. Shows, comics, etc. take bits and pieces from what was done before all the time. How many times has Superman's premise been ripped off? So it's nothing to get upset over.

The show also does have some "stereotypes", the newest being that the only male black character yet to show up is, of course, working for a white guy (Claire's connected dad, who may or may not be Syler). This minion apparently may have some sort of psychic powers, as he caused Matt to fall unconsious in the bar and was ordered to "wipe him clean" by Claire's dad (who works for your "generic evil secret organization", although their purpose and intentions aren't known, but if they're kidnapping people/characters, the audience will see them as evil). Again, despite how cool the show is, it does have stereotypes; blond cheerleader, nerdy Japanese "otaku", an Indian guy acting in a "sage" role connecting people, etc. But, like the allusions to the X-Men, I'm enjoying the show enough that it doesn't really matter. We'd go nuts trying to count all the stereotypes TV projects anyway (Italians usually still have it rough; most times they're only featured prominantly when they're either being goofy "Mamma Mia" jokesters or mobsters).

But maybe there is another angle of inspiration...DBZ? I know, a longshot, but Hiro, especially at the end, is starting to remind me of Trunks; dorky in the present, bad-arse in the Future. That final scene with Peter meeting "Future Hiro", complete with a suit, a sword (right?) and a confident command of English and his powers all but stole the show for me, which ain't bad for a cliffhanger.

I still wonder how long they're going to insist that Isaac shoot up to use his powers; does HEROES really want to "encourage" it? I can imagine Conservatives bursting a vein about it. I like that he, like Hiro, is trying to be heroic with his gifts, but the drug thing may turn people off eventually. Granted, there are superheroes who relied on drugs; Hourman, Elongated Man, Patriot, and really anyone who's taken the "super soldier serum", which is basically a steriod. But that's not the same as heroin. I get that it's edgy, I just hope HEROES doesn't overdo it.

We finally got to see Nikki's "Ms. Hyde" form, and there're no bulging muscles or green skin, just a nastier demeaner, some combat instinct and enough strength to manhandle a guy who outweighed her by maybe 100 lbs. I can see where the writers are being truthful to comparing HEROES to UNBREAKABLE; the superpowers are kept at a less-ridiculous level, at least for now (although time travel is rather hardcore). But I doubt we'll see Nikki throwing cars through buildings.

Peter's power was finally defined as a sort of "omnipower" simular to Synch or Rogue, in that he gains whatever powers of the "special" he is near. He's closest to his brother Nathan but also briefly gained Isaac's power (a tidbit I'd forgotten). On the downside, this sort of power is commonly used for plot-device purposes. On the upside, this means that he and Nathan don't have to hold hands and share a "sibling power" like the Wonder Twins, Fenris, or Mas & Menos, which is a huge upside to me, because I HATE that gimmick. I also wonder if Peter may get "messed up" if he is amung more than one special. Could he command all of their powers at once, or pick one at a time, or go out of control and spasm?

Claire also went through the ringer, waking up in the morgue, sneaking home and then getting revenge on her remourseless, date-raping jock of an ex (another stereotype), which was cool. Despite her seeming apathy towards things she has done some heroic stuff, saving a fireman and now doing a bit of "vigilante" justice. Her father obviously is keeping some eye on her but eventually other people are going to notice it. Her connection to her dad is probably why a clue is "save the cheerleader, save the world".

Hiro & his buddy did some power-betting in Vegas, which was an amusing scene. Hiro didn't think it was right using his powers that way and it looks like a bit of "karma" proved him right (although cheating as he did at the poker match was asking for it; of course the cowboy would notice his hand change in an eyeblink and suspect cheating). But Future Hiro sort of blew that away. It makes some sense but time travel is a nasty beast to write for even the best of 'em, and hopefully Loeb & Co. have a handle on it.

Looks like Nathan may end up flying sooner than Clark did on SMALLVILLE. Cool.

At the pilot, I liked the show but wasn't ravenous for it. But the show seems to improve by the episode, which is a healthy sign of progression. Consider me hooked.
 
All I know, is they have to be really careful how they do the whole 'time travel' thing. Theres way to many set laws and such of do's and dont's.
 

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