EVERYTHING Black Panther - Part 4

[Dr. Evil]

But Marvel's pattern so far per year (1 cosmic, 1 Earth-based) makes me think 2017 will be Thor 3 and then Black Panther. Just makes sense to me.

Yes, but in 2016, Cap 3 and Dr. Strange will happen and neither are Cosmic based. Ant Man and Age of Ultron won't be either.

 

[DrCosmic]

Anyway i think in the long run this will be the best way, besides you could tell stories and show places and stuff that will never make to the big screen.

You could show more superheroes on smaller screen that will most likely never be shown on the big screen or not anytime soon,like blue marvel,frenzy,rage, the externals,black goliath.the egyptian gods and other african gods world of marvel and showing darwin and how he really is etc.. etc...

Look at how well the recent battlestar galactica tv show did. No way a movie could have told the story that well like tv. To tell you the truth tv versions overall could do a better job in story and telling more detail. There are just some stories that work better for tv then live action big screen movies. The shaka zulu mini-series is a perfect example of this. It was on tv and it had a large audience. Alexander of macedon is story for example that works better as a min-series then movie.

It's JUST TO LARGE IN SCOPE FOR BIG SCREEN MOVIE.

DC HAS THE RIGHT IDEA,but they too could expand on it too. They are keeping their tv universe separate from dc cinematic universe.

To tell you the truth i would be just as happy with a black panther live tv show as i would with a live action movie. In some ways more happy with the latter because more folks will get to know who he is abit worldwide,but overall i will be just as happy or more so if it's on the smaller screen,separate or not from the marvel universe.

In the end i rather have the characters story done well enough then having it on the big screen and major changes are done just to reach audiences who could really care less about this great superhero. If we could have both movie version or any tv version fine,but a tv show etc..should not be counted out. In the end it should be more of a focus. That for all other superheros.

As for the black superheroes ,i think the black movie makers and black nations need to step up more like some asian nations and find a way to push or created more black superheroes and make tv shows and movies about them.

A posting critique: you actually use too many paragraphs, and it makes your posts seem like a bunch of unconnected thoughts when some of them are connected. Thoughts that are connected should be in the same paragraph.

On your point: I think TV is great for characters who can be fully actualized on TV, like Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. These people have low key and rarely used powers. A big budget Luke Cage movie wouldn't spend much of it's money on Luke Cage. Most of it would be spent on set pieces, and even those, ones that really don't have much to do with Luke Cage as a person and character.

Black Panther is different. Wakanda, if done justice ever, is simply not affordable on a TV budget. It's got too much awesomeness. Plus, making it look authentically exotic while shooting in LA or New York would be tough. The alternative is setting a Black Panther series in the states, and I can't subscribe to that, I don't think that's the way to explore the character long-form.

Maybe if it was shot in Hawaii, like Lost or Hawaii 5-0 you could get something going with the jungle and ancient temples and such, but overall, you can't really do BP right on a TV budget, at least, not in a way that I personally would appreciate.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Yes, but in 2016, Cap 3 and Dr. Strange will happen and neither are Cosmic based. Ant Man and Age of Ultron won't be either.

Dr Strange is more in that fantastical realm, and the Avengers definitely had cosmic elements (at least in the first movie).

 

[Dr. Evil]

Dr Strange is more in that fantastical realm, and the Avengers definitely had cosmic elements (at least in the first movie).

Doesn't mean that Black Panther is coming in 2017. I want to see it happen too, but it doesn't have the momentum that Strange, Carol Danvers or even Natasha Romanoff have. Feige has talked about Strange, Danvers and Widow as possible solo flicks while talking about Cap 2 in the last few weeks. He has not once mentioned (nor been asked) about Black Panther. All he's said about the film was back when Thor: The Dark World came out that the film was "in development."

 

[ss3walkman]

Chilling in bed watching Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes introduction of Black Panther and I feel this would be the best way to introduce him into the MCU. Although it's Avengers EMH it would fit Captain America 3. But IMO there should be a brief cameo in A2. Something small but still leaves an impact. Something like in EMH were BP threw Cap his shield right as soon as Zemo was going for the kill. Something similar in A2 would be perfect.

Then in C3 (like in EMH) BP would attack Cap out of the blue (maybe break in while he's sleeping) and they fight more on the sparring side, they get to standstill and BP tells him he was texting him and needs his help telling him Hydra killed his father and is now taking over his country. Leading them to team up and free Wakanda.

Now that would be a dope way to bring Black Panther to the MCU!

 

[DrCosmic]

I think the EMH effect requires multiple heroes. Seeing Black Panther take on Cap, Widow, Falcon, Agent 13 and Bucky all at once could be pretty awesome to see, though, honestly, I think I'd enjoy it better if he was taking down all the Avengers at once.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Doesn't mean that Black Panther is coming in 2017. I want to see it happen too, but it doesn't have the momentum that Strange, Carol Danvers or even Natasha Romanoff have. Feige has talked about Strange, Danvers and Widow as possible solo flicks while talking about Cap 2 in the last few weeks. He has not once mentioned (nor been asked) about Black Panther. All he's said about the film was back when Thor: The Dark World came out that the film was "in development."

True. I can see any of BP, Widow, or Ms Marvel filling that spot. I am really hoping it's BP though.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I would love to see BP fill the 2017 spot after Thor 3. I guess we'll see soon. If Vibranium is the main source of the creation of Ultron, then BP could happen.

 

[mace1]

Black Panther is different. Wakanda, if done justice ever, is simply not affordable on a TV budget. It's got too much awesomeness. Plus, making it look authentically exotic while shooting in LA or New York would be tough. The alternative is setting a Black Panther series in the states, and I can't subscribe to that, I don't think that's the way to explore the character long-form.

Maybe if it was shot in Hawaii, like Lost or Hawaii 5-0 you could get something going with the jungle and ancient temples and such, but overall, you can't really do BP right on a TV budget, at least, not in a way that I personally would appreciate.

You may have a point here,the setting must count.
It would different if someones is doing a sentry or ms marvel tv show.


Of course when i was thinking about the black panther some of story may take place in america,but if the whole story takes place in Wakanda a movie overall would be better.

It all depends on the story however,

 

[Paradox1]

Can we stop talking about Black Superman?

For me, Marvel not willing to do BP for now has nothing to do with his race. I think it has everything to do with how to portray Wakanda properly. If there's a major city in Wakanda I'd imagine it looks more like this (Nairobi, Kenya):

Or this (Cape Town, South Africa):

rather than this (Singapore):

But who knows. Maybe someone else sees Wakanda's major city akin to Singapore or Dubai rather than Nairobi or Cape Town. Or is it like as it is in the comics?

I don't see Wakanda as a modern city. I see them as a people proud of their heritage and being more inspired by the old world than the new. I think their would be pyramids, aqueducts, large panther statues, water fountains and I also believe they would find a better balance between being green and technical advancement.

 

[mace1]

Can we stop talking about Black Superman?

For me, Marvel not willing to do BP for now has nothing to do with his race. I think it has everything to do with how to portray Wakanda properly. If there's a major city in Wakanda I'd imagine it looks more like this (Nairobi, Kenya):

Or this (Cape Town, South Africa):

rather than this (Singapore):

But who knows. Maybe someone else sees Wakanda's major city akin to Singapore or Dubai rather than Nairobi or Cape Town. Or is it like as it is in the comics?

Here some images of Wakanda's city of the dead .

It's architecture looks like something out nubia or egypt.
This seems to be some of Wakanda's earlier architecture.


Now this is a another picture of one Wakanda's cities.

By the way how many cities do Wakanda have?
There seems to be 3 or 4 so far.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't even know how Blade got made before BP

Simple answer: because he's basically not a superhero. Blade, the movie, comes off as an action-horror piece, rather than a comic book, and that made it easier to sell ( to studios and audiences ).

Whereas Black Panther is impossible to make appear as anything but a superhero.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I wanna see The Black Panther in Avengers 3 so I hope he's introduced in Phase III

 

[Kar]

What if they introduced Black Panther (or at least T'Challa) in the new Fantastic Four movie (granted we get sequels). I could see it working, like how they had Black Widow in "Ironman 2". Maybe Reed and the others could be investigating alien technology involving vibramium and it calls for the help of T'Challa. Or Doom could be trying to invade Wakanda.

 

[Dr. Evil]

What if they introduced Black Panther (or at least T'Challa) in the new Fantastic Four movie (granted we get sequels). I could see it working, like how they had Black Widow in "Ironman 2". Maybe Reed and the others could be investigating alien technology involving vibramium and it calls for the help of T'Challa. Or Doom could be trying to invade Wakanda.

Fantastic Four belongs to Fox and BP is with Marvel Studios.

 

[Kar]

Ah okay I missed that part. I was wondering why no one suggested that. Screw my idea.

Actually, just squeeze my idea sans Doom in Phase 3 or something.

 

[Silvermoth]

Abu Dhabi would be interesting from a design point of view but johannesburg I suppose is more iconic and more likely for them to film the movie in

 

[Ant-manic]

i wonder if Ulysses Klaw will be Hydra-affiliated, in this one.

 

[The_Manhunter]

i wonder if Ulysses Klaw will be Hydra-affiliated, in this one.

Could be, but I wouldn't want that. It's a big world, not everything needs to be clearly connected like that.

 

[bubbadoom]

i wonder if Ulysses Klaw will be Hydra-affiliated, in this one.

It would be nice to have a BP movie in WWII with Zemo invading Wakanda and Cap helping defeat him. Klaw could be a Zemo flunky and this would explain how he learns about Vibranium. He returns years after the war to take some.

The time line of when Klaw then kills the elder Panther gets tricky as it would be ideal to have young T'Challa take Klaw's hand, but I guess it could be T'Chaka and the present BP could encounter the Sonic version of Klaw [the cool Kirby one of course].

Either way they go, lots of cool possibilities.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Question:

- Would making Wakanda the "Switzerland of Africa" work? Based on what I have read, it was never colonized by the Europeans. Instead of making it an isolationist country ala Iran, Cuba and North Korea, how about making Wakanda like Switzerland?

 

[Paradox1]

I don't think that works being Switzerland because it suppose to be some kind of Atlantis. I don't mean DC's I mean stargate's.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, I think a lot of people would see it as a "lame" Wakanda. You'd even get some "see, people couldn't handle a powerful nation."

If you try to make a super-powerful Switzerland, it sounds really odd.

 

[metaphysician]

This is why a better analogy is Japan. You have a country with a strong cultural tradition, that had a period of isolation that largely kept out western colonialism, that *then* opened somewhat to the wider world and bootstrapped itself to a modern nation. You make Wakanda something extraordinary, without requiring it to be Perfect Magic Jungle Elves.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Japan is a better analogy for Wakanda.