EVERYTHING Black Panther - Part 4

[DrCosmic]

This is why a better analogy is Japan. You have a country with a strong cultural tradition, that had a period of isolation that largely kept out western colonialism, that *then* opened somewhat to the wider world and bootstrapped itself to a modern nation. You make Wakanda something extraordinary, without requiring it to be Perfect Magic Jungle Elves.

Agreed.

Now, am I the only one who thinks it would be better for the film, T'Challa and the MCU if T'Challa is the one who opens them up to the wider world and bootstraps them into a modern nation?

 

[metaphysician]

No, I think that'd be problematic, on several levels:

1. Unless you make T'Challa much older than is at all likely, this forces the modernization to happen on far too tight a timescale to be credible

2. Having Wakanda stay primitive until just prior to the present stretches the credibility that they could stay isolated past the breaking point

3. It up fronts the luddite trend in Wakandan society, and has them be dominate until just before now. This basically casts "Wakandan society" as being a villain

My suggestion would be to have T'Challa's grandfather be the one who modernized Wakanda.

 

[DrCosmic]

Hmmm... I think we still have isolated societies in real life, and they are credible. I personally have no problem with Wakandan Society being the villain (redeemed in the end of course), or with the anachronism that would come with a sort of rapid modernization. T'Challa distributing intuitive Kimoyo Cards to the populace could be quite interesting to say the least.

But I can definitely see how that would be to off putting for some. Would it be cool if T'Challa's father modernized it? I know that's not ideal as far as world history, but from the movie's standpoint, his father being killed by outsiders just after modernizing/opening Wakanda creates a texture that I think is more interesting than T'Challa's grandfather being a footnote and his father being simply a victim.

It seems to me sometimes promoting Wakanda comes at the expense of developing T'Challa as a character. Sometimes it seems like the book/film should be called: "Wakanda" as that's the most prolific, influential character in it.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Klaw should be the villian trying to steal the Vibranium maybe with a South African actor trying to get the metal tbat ultron was made of

 

[Ant-manic]

Klaw should be the villian trying to steal the Vibranium maybe with a South African actor trying to get the metal tbat ultron was made of

i like the idea of Ulysses being a confederate of Baron Zemo.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Devin Faraci is teasing Wakanda in Age of Ultron.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

I saw that how accurate has he been in past? Wakanda is kinda a necessity for Ultron's armour. Mjonir by itself could get past a non vibranium armour. The Hulk would definitely crush him

 

[Dr. Evil]

I have no idea how accurate he is.

He's also teased Carol Danvers either at the end of Phase 2 or the start of Phase 3.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I bet the role of T'Chaka in this film will be the one they give to the older iconic actor (like Redford, Close, Douglas, SLJ). I wonder what iconic black actor could they use that is up there in age? Denzel Washington is the obvious go to.

 

[Mr. Dent]

And Faraci is pretty reliable.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

T'Challa should be in college or out sewing his royal oats if Wakanda is shown outside a BP film.

Denzel, Forrest, Ving could all bring something different to T'Chaka. Or a complete African unknown is my preference.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Denzel is not going to play a minor role. We know that T'Chaka dies early on in the Black Panther story. That doesn't happen to Denzel (his characters usually die at the end of a movie rather than at the beginning).

Forrest Whitaker is my top choice.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

The difference here is this THE Definitive Black Super Hero. The genre has exploded and everyone in Black Hollywood will want some kinda role in this film. Denzel could be sold on his presence legitimizing the film. And giving millions of young black children a heroe of their own for Halloween. This is going to be the super hero event film if marvel ever gets off their butts.


Denzel probably wont do it but if sold to him correctly I dont see him turning it down. King of a Africannation without European influence!? He'd love it

 

[Paradox1]

First of all I don't think Denzel would take it(the role requires an accent) and while us comic nerds of various ethnic origins may love these heroes. However in black culture in America comic books have not been embraced for a ton of reasons. One of them being many black folks look at the landscape of the most iconic superheroes and villains then say where is someone who looks like me. Black Panther is great but he is a B, or C list hero at best his exclusion out of two avenger movies is proof of that.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I'm not buying the Wakanda rumors in Age of Ultron at all.

 

[DrCosmic]

I wasn't before either, but hearing them affirmed again by a somewhat reputable source, and seeing as how they seem to have a random 1940s scene in the film with another character I would've sworn wouldn't be in Avengers, I could see them sliding T'Chaka in there.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I wasn't before either, but hearing them affirmed again by a somewhat reputable source, and seeing as how they seem to have a random 1940s scene in the film with another character I would've sworn wouldn't be in Avengers, I could see them sliding T'Chaka in there.

Then Marvel Studios is going to have to work some magic to transform a street in Johannesburg into a street in Wakanda if that's the case.

Now it's possible that T'Chaka could be visiting London. That's always a possibility, but even that is a long shot.

 

[RockSP]

First of all I don't think Denzel would take it(the role requires an accent) and while us comic nerds of various ethnic origins may love these heroes. However in black culture in America comic books have not been embraced for a ton of reasons. One of them being many black folks look at the landscape of the most iconic superheroes and villains then say where is someone who looks like me. Black Panther is great but he is a B, or C list hero at best his exclusion out of two avenger movies is proof of that.

This whole post is just inducing, lol.

Denzel has played roles with accents before. He was Oscar nominated for playing Steve Biko (not that I think he'll take the role, just saying an accent won't be the reason).

Plenty of black people read comics, and black people go to see comic book movies just like anyone else. Marvel isn't going to make this movie hoping just black people come see it anyway.

And finally BP's exclusion from the movies has nothing to do with fanboy created listings. I mean Black Widow will have been in 4 marvel movies when Avengers 2 comes out. Is she suddenly "A-list"?

 

[MadVillainy]

Denzel is not going to play a minor role. We know that T'Chaka dies early on in the Black Panther story. That doesn't happen to Denzel (his characters usually die at the end of a movie rather than at the beginning).

Forrest Whitaker is my top choice.

Denzel is the perfect choice. I could see him doing it especially if they dont have T'Chaka die until the end of the movie. My idea would be to have him die at the end of 2nd act (basically about 30 mins before the movie is over). Which would give him a lot of screen time

 

[Paradox1]

This whole post is just inducing, lol.

Denzel has played roles with accents before. He was Oscar nominated for playing Steve Biko (not that I think he'll take the role, just saying an accent won't be the reason).

Plenty of black people read comics, and black people go to see comic book movies just like anyone else. Marvel isn't going to make this movie hoping just black people come see it anyway.

And finally BP's exclusion from the movies has nothing to do with fanboy created listings. I mean Black Widow will have been in 4 marvel movies when Avengers 2 comes out. Is she suddenly "A-list"?

I haven't seen every Denzel movie but everyone I have seen he's never used an accent. Even though the character he's played live in distinctive places where accents are prevelant. I don't think that takes away from his acting skills it just means he stays in his lane. I've never seen Mathew Mcconahey not use his accent and he's an oscar winner. Does that mean he should play he could drop his accent to play Matt Murdock a New York lawyer.

I never said that black people dont read comics or show up to their movies. However a majority of people who see them don't read the books. Nor have I said they should target a BP movie towards black people.

Like my uncle told me when I was buying books as a kid. How many of them look like you? Maybe my uncle was more pro black than most but that is a sentiment I have heard from other poc who like the genre. There is a video on YouTube of a black comic book artist who has similar story. That gave him the inspiration to create his own because he didn't feel represented.

I don't care what BW was before Avengers. She fit into the story they were telling. The point is if your that valuable to the company they will find a way to fit you in. Even if that character doesn't really fit into the dynamic of the team or story.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Denzel is the perfect choice. I could see him doing it especially if they dont have T'Chaka die until the end of the movie. My idea would be to have him die at the end of 2nd act (basically about 30 mins before the movie is over). Which would give him a lot of screen time

If they went that route, I think Denzel would take it. But if they went with the "T'Chaka dies at the start of the movie" he would say no.

My concern with Denzel as T'Chaka has nothing to do with whether or not he can do an African accent. It's whether or not T'Chaka dies at the end or beginning of a Black Panther movie.

 

[Ant-manic]

I bet the role of T'Chaka in this film will be the one they give to the older iconic actor (like Redford, Close, Douglas, SLJ). I wonder what iconic black actor could they use that is up there in age? Denzel Washington is the obvious go to.

Delroy Lindo would be my pick

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Man, imaging Denzel doing a badass action scene and dramatic death scene would be so sweet.

 

[DrCosmic]

Then Marvel Studios is going to have to work some magic to transform a street in Johannesburg into a street in Wakanda if that's the case.

Now it's possible that T'Chaka could be visiting London. That's always a possibility, but even that is a long shot.

Or Wakanda is something separate.

Denzel is the perfect choice. I could see him doing it especially if they dont have T'Chaka die until the end of the movie. My idea would be to have him die at the end of 2nd act (basically about 30 mins before the movie is over). Which would give him a lot of screen time

I'd rather keep his screen time small. A James Kirk Sr. An Odin. A Yinsen. A Dr. Erskine. I'd rather not have the hero remain reliant on his father for most of the film ala MOS, just to get a huge actor.

 

[Chance Jackson]

This whole post is just inducing, lol.

Denzel has played roles with accents before. He was Oscar nominated for playing Steve Biko (not that I think he'll take the role, just saying an accent won't be the reason).

Plenty of black people read comics, and black people go to see comic book movies just like anyone else. Marvel isn't going to make this movie hoping just black people come see it anyway.

And finally BP's exclusion from the movies has nothing to do with fanboy created listings. I mean Black Widow will have been in 4 marvel movies when Avengers 2 comes out. Is she suddenly "A-list"?

She's Probably the closest thing to an A list female that marvel has that isn't attached to the X-Men franchise.