Fant4stic: Reborn! - - Part 21

[C. Lee]

This thread was started years ago to talk about the hope of getting a new FANTASTIC FOUR live action movie made. Since there is a new live action FANTASTIC FOUR movie being made...it is for the discussing of that movie. NOT the XMEN movies, NOT the AVENGERS movies, NOT the SPIDER-MAN movies.....but the new FANTASTIC FOUR movie.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah it's such a shame the moderators aren't doing anything about it!

Oh wow, look at that....it's the weekend. I actually left my computer for a few hours. Imagine that...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Oh wow, look at that....it's the weekend. I actually left my computer for a few hours. Imagine that...

Take it with you!

 

[Kelly]

Take it with you!

LOL, oh hell no. And I'm too damn old to read on my phone, even if it is a Samsung Mega...lol

 

[jaymes_e06]

This thread was started years ago to talk about the hope of getting a new FANTASTIC FOUR live action movie made. Since there is a new live action FANTASTIC FOUR movie being made...it is for the discussing of that movie. NOT the XMEN movies, NOT the AVENGERS movies, NOT the SPIDER-MAN movies.....but the new FANTASTIC FOUR movie.

Awwww do we havetah?

 

[Flint Marko]

Blogging itself doesn't really seem like inherently a good or bad idea and certainly doesn't seem "ridiculously stupid". It's just a tool people use to communicate with a lot of people these days.

It'd be like me complaining about the idea of Dr. Doom writing a letter to someone. Or is that ancient method of communication also "beneath" Doom?

For probably the eightieth time...yes, if Dr. Doom blogs and does NOTHING ELSE, that's stupid. But if it's just one tool of several he utilizes...especially pre-Dr. Doom, I don't really see the issue.

This.

It's getting tiring arguing with others grasping at straws, and resorting to jokes when cornered.

So Dr. Doom, one of the most memorable and iconic villains in the entire genre, depicted as an anti-social computer programmer who blogs as D00M is a choice you can get behind? Great, hope you like him, but I get the distinct impression he won't even remotely resemble his comic book counterpart. Given what we know it seems like a pretty accurate assumption. So it'd be pretty fair for some fans to get up in arms about that, don't you think?
While we're at it let's turn Lex Luthor into a homeless man, and the Joker into a Baptist preacher, because (according to your logic) as long as it's just one thing he does then it won't be an issue.

 

[C. Lee]

To me....the idea that Victor von Doom, despotic ruler of his own country, mad genius, the guy who wants to kill people and control the world.....also takes time out to share his feeling and gripe on his internet blog.....is the ultimate case of ****ting on the fans and creators of any comic book character since they started making movies about comic book characters.

 

[Flint Marko]

Agreed, C Lee.
If you don't mind the choice and are looking forward to seeing what they do with Doom then that's great, but don't tell people they're wrong or pretend to not see the issue when fans are upset with the film makers drastically changing the character. Doom is one of my favorite villains and nothing about what we have heard sounds right, there's almost no debating that.

 

[Kelly]

Though I have a feeling that this is "college age" Doom (not sure again, why they changed him to Doomashev, or whatever but anyway)....I will have to wait and see if this is simply a college phase, or he grows into Dooms ego and anger and we see Latveria at least at the end. Just no way to tell if this is simply a few minutes in the arc of Doom, or who he is in the entire movie.

 

[Flint Marko]

Though I have a feeling that this is "college age" Doom (not sure again, why they changed him to Doomashev, or whatever but anyway)....I will have to wait and see if this is simply a college phase, or he grows into Dooms ego and anger and we see Latveria at least at the end. Just no way to tell if this is simply a few minutes in the arc of Doom, or who he is in the entire movie.

I have a feeling if it were just a minor aspect of the character, it would not have been the one thing Kebbell mentioned in the interview. Even if he does resemble the classic doom by the end, that still is unsatisfying.

 

[C. Lee]

Though I have a feeling that this is "college age" Doom (not sure again, why they changed him to Doomashev, or whatever but anyway)....I will have to wait and see if this is simply a college phase, or he grows into Dooms ego and anger and we see Latveria at least at the end. Just no way to tell if this is simply a few minutes in the arc of Doom, or who he is in the entire movie.

20 years later.....

Hearings before the INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT at the Hague -

Chairman: Mr. Doomashev....you have killed millions around the world. You have caused devastation and destruction in a hundred countries. You have attempted to overthrow dozens of governments and have been instrumental in causing plagues and famines on 6 continents.

Doomashev: I blame it all on Richards.

Chairman: Yes....we know you do. Your blog is full of DEATH TO RICHARDS!!! I WOULD BE MASTER OF THE WORLD IF NOT FOR RICHARDS!!! Your blog is crammed with RICHARDS, RICHARDS, RICHARDS!!!!


Doomashev: I write what I feel....I am DOOM!!!!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Though I have a feeling that this is "college age" Doom (not sure again, why they changed him to Doomashev, or whatever but anyway)....I will have to wait and see if this is simply a college phase, or he grows into Dooms ego and anger and we see Latveria at least at the end. Just no way to tell if this is simply a few minutes in the arc of Doom, or who he is in the entire movie.

When I think of the Lee/Kirby panels of Reed and Doom in college, "antisocial' sounds right. Blogger? That's were I get hung up and go back and forth a bit. Antisocial and blogger don't really go together, do they? The college-age Doom seemed very private and wanted to do his thing without any interaction with anybody else. That's where I have a problem with him blogging, but I'm with you in that I'll withhold judgment on that particular element until we know more.

But I think one thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is it smells of a lack of courage and unwillingness to keep as much of the original material as possible.

I think they're afraid the whole Von Doom and Dr. Doom thing will look silly so they need a more 'realistic' explanation. That's just chickens*** and hints many other things will be changed because of their lack of courage.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

To me....the idea that Victor von Doom, despotic ruler of his own country, mad genius, the guy who wants to kill people and control the world.....also takes time out to share his feeling and gripe on his internet blog.....is the ultimate case of ****ting on the fans and creators of any comic book character since they started making movies about comic book characters.

You get it. Doom should be doing awesome things like this

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and this

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and this

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not this

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[Dasher10]

When I think of the Lee/Kirby panels of Reed and Doom in college, "antisocial' sounds right. Blogger? That's were I get hung up and go back and forth a bit. Antisocial and blogger don't really go together, do they? The college-age Doom seemed very private and wanted to do his thing without any interaction with anybody else. That's where I have a problem with him blogging, but I'm with you in that I'll withhold judgment on that particular element until we know more.

But I think one thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is it smells of a lack of courage and unwillingness to keep as much of the original material as possible.

I think they're afraid the whole Von Doom and Dr. Doom thing will look silly so they need a more 'realistic' explanation. That's just chickens*** and hints many other things will be changed because of their lack of courage.

College age Doom was written in the 60s before the Internet. My guess is that he's going to be more programmer than blogger and will have made a number of breakthroughs in AI. We'll hopefully see some Doombots.

 

[Kelly]

When I think of the Lee/Kirby panels of Reed and Doom in college, "antisocial' sounds right. Blogger? That's were I get hung up and go back and forth a bit. Antisocial and blogger don't really go together, do they? The college-age Doom seemed very private and wanted to do his thing without any interaction with anybody else. That's where I have a problem with him blogging, but I'm with you in that I'll withhold judgment on that particular element until we know more.

But I think one thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is it smells of a lack of courage and unwillingness to keep as much of the original material as possible.

I think they're afraid the whole Von Doom and Dr. Doom thing will look silly so they need a more 'realistic' explanation. That's just chickens*** and hints many other things will be changed because of their lack of courage.

Here is the thing though.....of course you wouldn't have thought blogger back then, the internet didn't exist.

 

[Dasher10]

I believe that Warner went with face paint because they're embarrassed by the Joker's origin. They're ashamed of a series known for craziness like Man-Bat and Bat-Mite. This whole Dark Knight thing is going to bomb hard.

 

[fangz]

I think Domashev could possibly make a lot of sense if u look at him as being the exiled heir of a deposed rulership. He would be a child when this happened, sent to the US, maybe a trust fund set up for him, and raised by handlers of his father's regime.

he grows up here but it's always beaten into his head that he is something special, he is the only legitimate heir to Latveria. which is being ruled by a US puppet democracy. even the people of Latveria see things as being worse now and there is romanticism for the old ways.

Doom's blog, hack thing is a pro-independent Latveria, and he is taken to be the voice of this heir in exile. runs this under the handle, D00m or Doom or whatever.

there is nothing about this that is counter to the essential character of Doctor Doom. if u look at this as like origin story, it makes lots of sense that he be in the place that he is.

once whatever accident happens, he suddenly either has or has access to way more power than he previously imagined, and he is able to retake the country by using this power. more than half his own country is ecstatic about this, so the UN cannot really go in there and force him off the throne again. for the time being, he is the returned legitimate heir.

i'm not saying it's gonna go like this, but this is something that makes sense, no?
sounds like the origins of Doom to me, for the most part. works to the essence of the character.

 

[The Guard]

To me....the idea that Victor von Doom, despotic ruler of his own country, mad genius, the guy who wants to kill people and control the world.....also takes time out to share his feeling and gripe on his internet blog.....is the ultimate case of ****ting on the fans and creators of any comic book character since they started making movies about comic book characters.

Of course it feels that way. Because you, and who knows how many others, assume that this is what is going to happen.

But we don't know what is going to happen.

Nevermind that Doom has pretty much always taken time out to share his feelings and gripe about things in the comics and other media. He just does so verbally and in person.

I also think he will be more programmer/terrorist than just an internet blogger. Odds are "Doom" will be a mysterious presence in the world in some capacity. At least at first.

 

[RAE072]

When I think of the Lee/Kirby panels of Reed and Doom in college, "antisocial' sounds right. Blogger? That's were I get hung up and go back and forth a bit. Antisocial and blogger don't really go together, do they? The college-age Doom seemed very private and wanted to do his thing without any interaction with anybody else. That's where I have a problem with him blogging, but I'm with you in that I'll withhold judgment on that particular element until we know more.

But I think one thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is it smells of a lack of courage and unwillingness to keep as much of the original material as possible.

I think they're afraid the whole Von Doom and Dr. Doom thing will look silly so they need a more 'realistic' explanation. That's just chickens*** and hints many other things will be changed because of their lack of courage.

They can't even release an official picture of Domashev, because they're very much aware that we know what he'll look like and that he looks awful.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Making Doom a blogger is like making magneto a guidance counselor or joker a disgruntled employee at wayne enterprise

 

[Kelly]

I think Domashev could possibly make a lot of sense if u look at him as being the exiled heir of a deposed rulership. He would be a child when this happened, sent to the US, maybe a trust fund set up for him, and raised by handlers of his father's regime.

he grows up here but it's always beaten into his head that he is something special, he is the only legitimate heir to Latveria. which is being ruled by a US puppet democracy. even the people of Latveria see things as being worse now and there is romanticism for the old ways.

Doom's blog, hack thing is a pro-independent Latveria, and he is taken to be the voice of this heir in exile. runs this under the handle, D00m or Doom or whatever.

there is nothing about this that is counter to the essential character of Doctor Doom. if u look at this as like origin story, it makes lots of sense that he be in the place that he is.

once whatever accident happens, he suddenly either has or has access to way more power than he previously imagined, and he is able to retake the country by using this power. more than half his own country is ecstatic about this, so the UN cannot really go in there and force him off the throne again. for the time being, he is the returned legitimate heir.

i'm not saying it's gonna go like this, but this is something that makes sense, no?
sounds like the origins of Doom to me, for the most part. works to the essence of the character.

If something like that actually happens, there were be some fans who are much happier, that is for sure.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here is the thing though.....of course you wouldn't have thought blogger back then, the internet didn't exist.

But it"s not that. "Blogging" is social. You're interacting with people and sharing ideas. Doom's big issue with Reed was that Reed read his notes, so why would he share ideas online when he is that private about what he's doing?

 

[Kelly]

But it"s not that. "Blogging" is social. You're interacting with people and sharing ideas. Doom's big issue with Reed was that Reed read his notes, so why would he share ideas online when he is that private about what he's doing?

Blogging is social for those that are anti-social.

It is a place where you can share your thoughts, and stay anonymous. It is all kinds of anti-social.

I would venture to say that if we did a study of those who post on forums like this, who blog, etc more than say 5 hours a day, you would find anti-social tendencies in a big majority of them....we simply don't check ourselves, and call it that. We use other terms like introverted, etc.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Doom was never one to try to convince others about his feelings on reed or anyone or thing.. it was his own personal vendettas that he owned.

Blogs are for spreading awareness and opinions for others to read... thats sooooo not doom

 

[The Guard]

When I think of the Lee/Kirby panels of Reed and Doom in college, "antisocial' sounds right. Blogger? That's were I get hung up and go back and forth a bit. Antisocial and blogger don't really go together, do they? The college-age Doom seemed very private and wanted to do his thing without any interaction with anybody else. That's where I have a problem with him blogging, but I'm with you in that I'll withhold judgment on that particular element until we know more.

Anti-social can mean many things. Mostly it means anti-society. It doesn't mean one will be quiet about one's antisocial tendencies.

In the comics, the more classic versions of Doom have constantly spouted his master plans and his distaste for Richards and the Four and delivered his threats and desires to the world, via television or other methods of communication. This could just be the modern equivalent of that.

But I think one thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is it smells of a lack of courage and unwillingness to keep as much of the original material as possible.

I think they're afraid the whole Von Doom and Dr. Doom thing will look silly so they need a more 'realistic' explanation. That's just chickens*** and hints many other things will be changed because of their lack of courage.

At some point when it comes to adapting something into a two hour and some change film, you'd think fans would get realistic about just how much of that source material can be utilized and honored effectively within a film structure.

There's probably not the screentime to effectively portray Doom as a self made dictator, a sorcerer, an inventor, etc in this film. They're going to do what most superhero adaptions do: focus on the basics and the most important and relevant elements of a character, and especially as that character relates to the other characters in the mythology. In this case, it sort of looks like they're going to spotlight ideological differences between Doom and the rest of the world/The Four.