Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[RAE072]

Take the 1 second clip of The Thing out and the trailer is completely unrecognizable. Seriously, if we showed this trailer to someone who didn't know anything about it and we edited out The Thing and the title, that person would never guess it was Fantastic Four.

Based on what we've seen, we can't compare this to UFF or any other run because it's completely unrecognizable.

In very simple terms, there's no excuse for a film that calls itself Fantastic Four to be completely unrecognizable as Fantastic Four.

And I have to admit it chafes my butt when someone says this doesn't have to look like FF because FF is a 'minor property'. Not only does that show a complete ignorance of the history of comic books, but why is Fox making this film and why are people posting so passionately here if that is true?

Crapping all over something they purport to like/love just to defend a bad-looking movie.

It'll never not confuse/delight me.

 

[psylockolussus]

Here we go again.

 

[Zarex]

Take the 1 second clip of The Thing out and the trailer is completely unrecognizable. Seriously, if we showed this trailer to someone who didn't know anything about it and we edited out The Thing and the title, that person would never guess it was Fantastic Four.

Based on what we've seen, we can't compare this to UFF or any other run because it's completely unrecognizable.

In very simple terms, there's no excuse for a film that calls itself Fantastic Four to be completely unrecognizable as Fantastic Four.

And I have to admit it chafes my butt when someone says this doesn't have to look like FF because FF is a 'minor property'. Not only does that show a complete ignorance of the history of comic books, but why is Fox making this film and why are people posting so passionately here if that is true?

It's especially jarring in light of the awesome A:AOU 3rd trailer. Way too "comicbooky", right Josh?

I put this on another thread:

A:AOU is a celebration of everything we love about the Avengers.

FFINO is a rejection of everything we love about the Fantastic Four.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

A:AOU is a celebration of everything we love about the Avengers.

FFINO is a rejection of everything we love about the Fantastic Four.

That's a very succinct . . . and depressingly accurate way of stating it.

 

[Sithborg]

FFINO is a rejection of everything we love about the Fantastic Four.

Drastic changes is not necessarily a rejection of the source material. I could go on about how the drastic changes made to the source material is on par to those made to one of my favorite Godzilla movies.

 

[Zarex]

Drastic changes is not necessarily a rejection of the source material. I could go on about how the drastic changes made to the source material is on par to those made to one of my favorite Godzilla movies.

Agree to disagree!

 

[UltraSuperGuy]

it's especially jarring in light of the awesome a:aou 3rd trailer. Way too "comicbooky", right josh?

I put this on another thread:

A:aou is a celebration of everything we love about the avengers.

Ffino is a rejection of everything we love about the fantastic four.

this +1000

 

[wobbly]

It's especially jarring in light of the awesome A:AOU 3rd trailer. Way too "comicbooky", right Josh?

I put this on another thread:

A:AOU is a celebration of everything we love about the Avengers.

FFINO is a rejection of everything we love about the Fantastic Four.

That does rather sum it up, sad to say

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It's especially jarring in light of the awesome A:AOU 3rd trailer. Way too "comicbooky", right Josh?

I put this on another thread:

A:AOU is a celebration of everything we love about the Avengers.

FFINO is a rejection of everything we love about the Fantastic Four.

You too have earned approval of LaBeef!

 

[fantasticfan]

OT - but this thread is where there was discussion of reshoots happening in Romania based upon tweets between Teller and the makeup guy from F4. It can now be confirmed that is not true. Miles Teller is shooting Arms and the Dudes there right now with Jonah Hill. Some of the same hair/makeup crew is on the film.

 

[Dasher10]

Batman Returns had incredibly unfaithful takes on Penguin and Catwoman and a Batman who would gleefully kill his enemies. In retrospect, it's seen as a great Batman film which was sadly completely unfaithful to the source material.

Considering that the Tim Story films were actually pretty similar to Joel Schumaker's Batman movies, I'd rather have a take on Fantastic Four which is closer to Burton.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's especially jarring in light of the awesome A:AOU 3rd trailer. Way too "comicbooky", right Josh?

I put this on another thread:

A:AOU is a celebration of everything we love about the Avengers.

FFINO is a rejection of everything we love about the Fantastic Four.

Spot on bro!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Batman Returns had incredibly unfaithful takes on Penguin and Catwoman and a Batman who would gleefully kill his enemies. In retrospect, it's seen as a great Batman film which was sadly completely unfaithful to the source material.

Considering that the Tim Story films were actually pretty similar to Joel Schumaker's Batman movies, I'd rather have a take on Fantastic Four which is closer to Burton.

Burtons batman films were very different from the schumacher films. You can tell that from the color palette alone, and the Tim Story films, while not great.. were not nearly as cringe worthy as the Schumacher films.

And at the time of the burton films, batman was very much getting a face lift and revision to his source material thanks to Frank Miller. The combination of the 2 shaped batman to be what he is today. and brought it back into being something more in line with what it started out as.

 

[Tony Stark]

The story films were bad, but they weren't like Shumaker's Batman films. Story's FF films were maybe 30-40% camp, where Shumaker's films were 80-90% camp. Story's films did try to be faithful to the comics where Shumaker's tried to be faithful to the 60's TV show Batman.

I would say Green Lantern was more similar to the Story FF movies than Schumaker's batman. GL tried to be faithful, but was disjointed, had poor writing, some of the acting was cringeworthy and for as much money as they spent it was visually unappealing.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The story films were bad, but they weren't like Shumaker's Batman films. Story's FF films were maybe 30-40% camp, where Shumaker's films were 80-90% camp. Story's films did try to be faithful to the comics where Shumaker's tried to be faithful to the 60's TV show Batman.

I would say Green Lantern was more similar to the Story FF movies than Schumaker's batman. GL tried to be faithful, but was disjointed, had poor writing, some of the acting was cringeworthy and for as much money as they spent it was visually unappealing.

agrees

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The idea that you have to choose between campy and dark was dis-proven by Avengers (and just about every other Marvel film).

The Avengers looks and feels like the comic books. It's serious and not goofy, but still fun and relatively light-hearted.

Avengers made some changes and revisions, sure, but that film proved that the idea you have to throw away the look and feel of the comic books is just a cop-out by film-makers lacking talent, creativity, ambition and respect for the source material.

There's no excuse for not making reasonably comic-accurate films in a post-Avengers world.

 

[Paradox1]

The idea that you have to choose between campy and dark was dis-proven by Avengers (and just about every other Marvel film).

The Avengers looks and feels like the comic books. It's serious and not goofy, but still fun and relatively light-hearted.

Avengers made some changes and revisions, sure, but that film proved that the idea you have to throw away the look and feel of the comic books is just a cop-out by film-makers lacking talent, creativity, ambition and respect for the source material.

There's no excuse for not making reasonably comic-accurate films in a post-Avengers world.

Should every writer of plays write like William Shakespeare? No other studio or film should try to be like Marvel. Every one should create their own identity. It allows what Marvel does to be stay fresh and distinct to them.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

How does that expression go. Identical is the spice of life? - wait that doesn't sound right.

If this film fails, Fox will presumably hold on to the rights for another 8 years where they'll sell things back piecemeal. This means that Marvel won't be getting back the X-Men merch rights any time soon which means that you won't see any X-Men movie merch and the X-Men will continue to be downplayed in animation and video games when they appear at all as Marvel slowly buys back characters like Silver Surfer, Galactus, Annihilus, Terrax and Blaastar. This also means no Fox-Men/MCU crossover in the near future when Marvel has IP to slowly buy back.

I'd say it's likely Fox will keep them until the next deadline. Pretty sure Marvel owns 100% X-Men comic merch and atleast majority movie merch rights already

So far, the footage shown had decent production values for the sets and the cast is made up of solid actors. Those aren't the indicators of a terrible film. It may not be the interpretation of the characters that you want but it doesn't look like Catwoman.

People like to confuse 'I don't like it' with 'it'll be bad' or 'it'll flop'

BS. Crapy scripts and bad marketing are what makes films fail.

Man of Steel is considered a failure I think but that had great marketing

My issue is that the posters who state outright that they want the film to turn out terribly and fail critically and commercially are the ones who reply to every single positive post and mock it to the point where they're the only ones left talking. Anyone who does have something positive to say is drowned out and shot down to the point where they simply leave the FF boards.

It's not a fun exchange of ideas here, it's just, "this movie is going to suck and nothing can ever change my mind as long as Fox owns the rights and if you disagree, we'll make fun of you until you go away." That's not a conductive environment.

I for one dislike the costumes but still have hope that this will turn out better than the Tim Story films. I just dislike the elitist and condescending environment here.

I've seen new-ish members say the wish there was a negative thread so the main threads can be hospitable. They left the section eventually.

 

[moviedoors]

The idea that you have to choose between campy and dark was dis-proven by Avengers

I disagree that you have to choose at all. I like both approaches. My two favorite superhero movies are The Avengers and The Dark Knight and I love them for very different reasons. I am equally open to both approaches.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Should every writer of plays write like William Shakespeare? No other studio or film should try to be like Marvel. Every one should create their own identity. It allows what Marvel does to be stay fresh and distinct to them.

Why not? It benefits the work in the end, and is the very reason dc has had trouble with anyone whos not batman. Marvel found a way to balance it all and let the characters speak for themselves. DC really should learn from this, and try to even further improve upon it. Not ttry to reinvent their characters, and break whats not broken. Its a dated concept. Fox should be learning as well.. but all Sony, Fox, and WB seem to have gotten out of what Marvel accomplished is "cross-overs make money". WB is now rushing into a dccu jumping head first into jla without crafting the established universe (and is something that could very well bite them in the end, FOX just now started to map out xmen films ahead of time rather than one film at a time, and sony tried to force it on a character who didnt need that perspective and tainted him because of it

 

[Flint Marko]

I disagree that you have to choose at all. I like both approaches. My two favorite superhero movies are The Avengers and The Dark Knight and I love them for very different reasons. I am equally open to both approaches.

It depends on the characters you are adapting. Dark and gritty work better for some, light and fun work for others. A dark spider-man movie could be made, and could even be a good film if executed properly, but it would not inherently be true to the character.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It depends on the characters you are adapting. Dark and gritty work better for some, light and fun work for others. A dark spider-man movie could be made, and could even be a good film if executed properly, but it would not inherently be true to the character.

actually.. spidey does work for that... he's had plenty of dark stories (kraven's last hunt, death of gwen, death in the family, torment, etc... he and batman are characters that should and can walk in and out of the light. it just shouldn't be the complete tone for a spidey franchise. I always say keep it simple.. dark and gritty works for street level heroes.. not so much for superhero teams

 

[moviedoors]

It depends on the characters you are adapting. Dark and gritty work better for some, light and fun work for others. A dark spider-man movie could be made, and could even be a good film if executed properly, but it would not inherently be true to the character.

You are talking to someone who loved Man of Steel too. I know lots of fans would say that they got the essential essence of the character wrong, I just didn't see it the way they did. I think you could do with Fantastic Four what they did with Superman there, which is take the same essential character but place them in a world with different demands and resonances. I see it as a way to potentially dig deeper and get something fresh from the property.

Basically, aesthetic and tonal changes aren't and never have been deal breakers for me and I generally don't have much devotion to tangible details when it comes to adaptation.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I've seen new-ish members say the wish there was a negative thread so the main threads can be hospitable. They left the section eventually.

Then they should learn to accept opposing viewpoints like every other forum.

How many times do you have to be told to discuss the film instead of how other people post? Your constant instigating is growing tedious.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I disagree that you have to choose at all. I like both approaches. My two favorite superhero movies are The Avengers and The Dark Knight and I love them for very different reasons. I am equally open to both approaches.

Exactly. Some times you're in the mood for a dramatic take and others a bombastic take and the good thing is there's choice as they aren't all the same