Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[Dasher10]

Nah, just until the rights revert back.

What if Fox puts out a great FF film and the rights don't revert? Or what if the rights only revert as far as Hulk or Spider-Man where Fox still gets the box office profits?

 

[Spiderine]

What if Fox puts out a great FF film and the rights don't revert? Or what if the rights only revert as far as Hulk or Spider-Man where Fox still gets the box office profits?

How is Universal getting box office profits from Hulk?

 

[RAE072]

What if Fox puts out a great FF film and the rights don't revert?

What if they put out a total disaster of a movie and the rights do revert back?

 

[Flint Marko]

What if Fox puts out a great FF film and the rights don't revert?

They may put out a great film, but it won't be a great FF film.

Or what if the rights only revert as far as Hulk or Spider-Man where Fox still gets the box office profits?

I'd be more than oaky with that. Get Doom and Silver Surfer in the MCU, whatever it takes.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Not a fan, just read them recently.

Just to fill you in on what the comment was about: Lee and Kirby, not Lee and Ditko. Ditko did Spider-Man and Dr. Strange, but not Fantastic Four.

 

[Zarex]

What if Fox puts out a great FF film and the rights don't revert? Or what if the rights only revert as far as Hulk or Spider-Man where Fox still gets the box office profits?

FFINO could potentially be a good or great film. But there's no chance it will be a good FF film. And FOX ain't getting the Spidey deal. The FF doesn't have nearly the same box office pull and Marvel (unfortunately) can afford to let the FF fail.

 

[Dasher10]

What if they put out a total disaster of a movie and the rights do revert back?

1. You never answered the question.

2. If this film fails, Fox will presumably hold on to the rights for another 8 years where they'll sell things back piecemeal. This means that Marvel won't be getting back the X-Men merch rights any time soon which means that you won't see any X-Men movie merch and the X-Men will continue to be downplayed in animation and video games when they appear at all as Marvel slowly buys back characters like Silver Surfer, Galactus, Annihilus, Terrax and Blaastar. This also means no Fox-Men/MCU crossover in the near future when Marvel has IP to slowly buy back.

Fox didn't give up Daredevil until Marvel stopped giving them extensions. It's foolish to think that Fox is going to suddenly sell back the FF and all related characters the second this film flops. The only time that happened was with Ghost Rider where the sequel made next to no money. No summer tentpole film flops that hard. Ghost Rider 2 came out in February, FF2015 comes out in August. It isn't doing Ghost Rider numbers regardless of quality. The Transformers films have proven that a summer release date combined with CGI guarantees a profit regardless of quality. I'd rather Fox make a good film with the FF license than see this film become a punchline.

 

[RAE072]

1. You never answered the question.

Because my scenario is equally as likely as yours.

 

[Flint Marko]

The Transformers films have proven that a summer release date combined with CGI guarantees a profit regardless of quality.

How'd that fare for Cowboys and Aliens? And Green Lantern? And R.I.P.D.? And Amazing Spider-man 2? I could keep going. Point is, it is not guaranteed.

I'd rather Fox make a good film with the FF license than see this film become a punchline.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Dasher10]

How'd that fare for Cowboys and Aliens? And Green Lantern? And R.I.P.D.? And Amazing Spider-man 2? I could keep going. Point is, it is not guaranteed.

Green Lantern still grossed $200M. TASM2 grossed $700M. FF's budget isn't nearly as high and it's a known IP as opposed to C&A and RIPD.

 

[Flint Marko]

Green Lantern still grossed $200M. TASM2 grossed $700M. FF's budget isn't nearly as high and it's a known IP as opposed to C&A and RIPD.

Look at what you are doing. You are justifying this films potential success by comparing it to two of the worst comic book movies in recent history.
Yes those films made some money, but they clearly underperformed because they were lackluster, and it killed both of those franchises. FFINO does not have the star power those two movies did, nor does it have the prime release date, nor will it probably have the amount of marketing behind it.
I've said before I could see this becoming a modest hit, don't get me wrong, but to pretend that every summer CGI blockbuster is a guaranteed money maker (which you did to begin with) is complete nonsense.

 

[RAE072]

Green Lantern still grossed $200M. TASM2 grossed $700M. FF's budget isn't nearly as high and it's a known IP as opposed to C&A and RIPD.

Remember kids: It's okay to suck and be really awful, just as long as you make a big studio loooots of money!

 

[Dasher10]

Look at what you are doing. You are justifying this films potential success by comparing it to two of the worst comic book movies in recent history.
Yes those films made some money, but they clearly underperformed because they were lackluster, and it killed both of those franchises. FFINO does not have the star power those two movies did, nor does it have the prime release date, nor will it probably have the amount of marketing behind it.
I've said before I could see this becoming a modest hit, don't get me wrong, but to pretend that every summer CGI blockbuster is a guaranteed money maker (which you did to begin with) is complete nonsense.

You mentioned them first. You make an argument, I refute it and then you point out that it's a dumb analogy which you happened to bring up in the first place.

The number one thing that gets films to fail nowadays is cheese. Hammy acting, poorly done special effects and dumb slapstick gags are what wind up causing a poor reception from critics. So far, the footage shown had decent production values for the sets and the cast is made up of solid actors. Those aren't the indicators of a terrible film. It may not be the interpretation of the characters that you want but it doesn't look like Catwoman.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

GL, CaA, RIPD, TASM2, and Transfomers are all more popcorn and have more spectacle than the dark and edgy FF, and hence have more box office appeal as summer CGI blockbusters.

 

[Dasher10]

Remember kids: It's okay to suck and be really awful, just as long as you make a big studio loooots of money!

That wasn't my point. My point was that it's hard to make a serious flop with a budget of only $100M on a summer film. I can't speak to this film's quality since it isn't out yet but it's pointless to root against a film before its even out.

 

[RAE072]

That wasn't my point. My point was that it's hard to make a serious flop with a budget of only $100M on a summer film. I can't speak to this film's quality since it isn't out yet but it's pointless to root against a film before its even out.

Equally pointless to rail against those who do. So why don't you let them be eh?

Or can't you? Can you not help yourself?

 

[def28]

The number one thing that gets films to fail nowadays is cheese. Hammy acting, poorly done special effects and dumb slapstick gags are what wind up causing a poor reception from critics. So far, the footage shown had decent production values for the sets and the cast is made up of solid actors. Those aren't the indicators of a terrible film. It may not be the interpretation of the characters that you want but it doesn't look like Catwoman.

BS. Crapy scripts and bad marketing are what makes films fail.

 

[Dasher10]

GL, CaA, RIPD, TASM2, and Transfomers are all more popcorn and have more spectacle than the dark and edgy FF, and hence have more box office appeal as summer CGI blockbusters.

Man of Steel grossed over $650M. That was a dark and edgy film which managed to outgross RIPD. Most of the hate for Man of Steel came from people arguing that it didn't have the same tone as the Christopher Reeve films.

Want to know what RIPD failed? It's because camp doesn't sell unless it markets itself as, "so bad, its good." The Tim Story films didn't fail just because Galactus was a cloud, they had numerous other problems.

 

[def28]

Want to know what RIPD failed? It's because camp doesn't sell unless it markets itself as, "so bad, its good." The Tim Story films didn't fail just because Galactus was a cloud, they had numerous other problems.

Cause it was boring, and the script wasn't too good to start with.

 

[Dasher10]

BS. Crapy scripts and bad marketing are what makes films fail.

And poor scripts are unable to be played with a straight face when it isn't trying to be funny. Unintentional comedy (or comedy which falls flat) is a buzzkill. Trying to return to the Tim Story films except with a better Galactus wouldn't change the fact that both films were simply not good.

 

[Dasher10]

Cause it was boring, and the script wasn't too good to start with.

I just saw poor GCI in the trailer and jokes which didn't click with me. I didn't bother watching it.

 

[def28]

RIPD missed it's mark as a fun comedy and an action spectacle. It's dull and was marketed poorly on top of it. Saying Cheese is the number one reason everything fails nowadays is off.

 

[RAE072]

RIPD missed it's mark as a fun comedy and an action spectacle. It's dull and was marketed poorly on top of it. Saying Cheese is the number one reason everything fails nowadays is off.

I think it's hilarious that the narrative now is cheese is the reason a movie fails, solely because this Fantastic Four in name only movie is dark and gritty and grounded and realistic.

If we were getting a family friendly, light in tone FF movie, it'd be the exact opposite and Matthew Vaughn's own words would be championed by those who are supporting this movie right now.

 

[Dasher10]

I think it's hilarious that the narrative now is cheese is the reason a movie fails, solely because this Fantastic Four in name only movie is dark and gritty and grounded and realistic.

If we were getting a family friendly, light in tone FF movie, it'd be the exact opposite and Matthew Vaughn's own words would be championed by those who are supporting this movie right now.

Vsughn is also producing. I'm doubtful that this film will be darker that the Nolan Batman films.

 

[Kelly]

I think it's hilarious that the narrative now is cheese is the reason a movie fails, solely because this Fantastic Four in name only movie is dark and gritty and grounded and realistic.

If we were getting a family friendly, light in tone FF movie, it'd be the exact opposite and Matthew Vaughn's own words would be championed by those who are supporting this movie right now.

So what? Fans do that all the time, if they like what they see, they like what they see....whether it's a realistic view of what is being shown, or one that is full of optimistic, ignorance is bliss....

So what? It's a movie, it's not world peace.

People are upset and are finding every single thing they can to back up their view...ok, that is what people do....so I'm not sure why others take it so personally when someone takes a negative view of a movie they are excited about.

I think people really need to just step back, and breath. It's a movie, people disagree with their likes and dislikes...but the constant, "I can't believe they can take this crap" kind of posts, or "Why can't people stop speculating and just wait for the full movie before forming an opinion" kind of posts just repeat themselves, and repeat themselves, and repeat themselves. If either group stopped posting their views positive and negative, this entire site would shut down.

The posts that call people out, "those people", "that group", do nothing to further the discussion, it just turns it into a personal vendetta to be "right"....and those kinds of discussions never lead to good things. It's not a group against group, fight till someone wins. It is a group that is excited for a movie, and one that is not...it is a difference of opinion that is WELCOMED ON THIS SITE until it turns to the personal "fight to win the debate" rather than a fun, hype-filled exchange of ideas and opinions.