Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[Dasher10]

Its not weak, its just repetitive. You shouldnt do multiple films with one herald after the other. They're all galactus lap dogs.

And you just proved another point that lucia has no good story that doesn't involve the rest of the mu

Obliterator is NOT a Herald of Galactus.

And I like FF 258-259. That's a really, really good story, Lucia would just be an antagonist in there because I like the character.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's why I only think he'll work as part of the Frightful Four. He'd be Ben's enemy who Ben would call Paste Pot Pete to annoy him/distract him. He'd find a backpack full of adhesive to be an ingenious way of containing Thing without realizing that he's the most ridiculous character in the entire film and Thing is actually strong enough to eventually break out after the adhesive dries.

Sounds brilliant! I hope fox is listening. Sooner the rights come back home the better!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Obliterator is NOT a Herald of Galactus.

And I like FF 258-259. That's a really, really good story, Lucia would just be an antagonist in there because I like the character.

Mmmhmmm

 

[Dasher10]

Thats just throwing a bunch of random villains in FF films with absolutely no rhyme reason or logic whatsoever. You want to sell the audience exciting films that raises the stakes and create new and unique challenges for the heroes. Most of these villains won't sell that kind of film to the general audience. Like Spideyboy 1111 has said they are missing much of their most compelling and diverse elements that could offer something different that these movies need to offer. Especially with the barrage of competition coming from WB, Marvel and Sony. Yes I said Sony, with an MCU Spiderman moving forward.

The main problem is that most of the FF's enemies are world shattering threats. There is no way to raise the stakes when every villain whose motivation isn't, "kill off the FF" is to wreak destruction across the entire planet.

Also, if Fox and Marvel do agree to merge universes, then you won't see Black Panther in an FF movie, you'd see the FF in BP. The Inhumans may guest star in FF but only as often as the FF guest in Inhumans. I've never been a fan of sue cheating on Reed, so I'd rather have Namor be an Avenger and mostly interact with Avengers characters.

 

[Dasher10]

Sounds brilliant! I hope fox is listening. Sooner the rights come back home the better!

Trapster's still a less cheesy villain than Puppet Master. I don't think it's possible to take Puppet Master seriously unless High Evolutionary is previously established... and he's an Avengers villain over at Marvel.

 

[Eddie]

re: Lucia von Bardas

Not sure why the Fox fans think that's even a sequel option. I doubt Fox has her. Marvel likely has her film rights.

 

[Dasher10]

re: Lucia von Bardas

Not sure why the Fox fans think that's even a sequel option. I doubt Fox has her. Marvel likely has her film rights.

Because Cartoon Network used her within their animated FF series. She's part of the FF rights.

 

[Tony Stark]

The main problem is that most of the FF's enemies are world shattering threats. There is no way to raise the stakes when every villain whose motivation isn't, "kill off the FF" is to wreak destruction across the entire planet.

Also, if Fox and Marvel do agree to merge universes, then you won't see Black Panther in an FF movie, you'd see the FF in BP. The Inhumans may guest star in FF but only as often as the FF guest in Inhumans. I've never been a fan of sue cheating on Reed, so I'd rather have Namor be an Avenger and mostly interact with Avengers characters.

If Fox and Marvel agree to terms, it won't be with this FF cast.

 

[Spiderine]

Because Cartoon Network used her within their animated FF series. She's part of the FF rights.

She was in Earth's Mightiest Heroes too. The animated rights don't really apply to film rights.

 

[Eddie]

Because Cartoon Network used her within their animated FF series. She's part of the FF rights.

That means absolutely nothing. Fox doesn't have the animated television rights. That was a Marvel production. That's why the various Marvel anime can feature characters like Iron Man and Wolverine in the same project. Lucia was created well after the deal for an event comic, not FF. Marvel probably has access to her, they'd just have to mess with her background (ala Iron Patriot, Victoria Hand, Raina, etc.).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The main problem is that most of the FF's enemies are world shattering threats. There is no way to raise the stakes when every villain whose motivation isn't, "kill off the FF" is to wreak destruction across the entire planet.

Also, if Fox and Marvel do agree to merge universes, then you won't see Black Panther in an FF movie, you'd see the FF in BP. The Inhumans may guest star in FF but only as often as the FF guest in Inhumans. I've never been a fan of sue cheating on Reed, so I'd rather have Namor be an Avenger and mostly interact with Avengers characters.

Contrary to what hugh jackman hopes for... that aint happening. The two studios have bad blood and as taylor swift would say "band aids don't fix bullet holes" not only that, but it also means one or both properties would need a complete reboot, which isnt happening. And truthfully, the x-men work best in a separate universe due to the very conflicting civilians, and very self contained stories

And no they arnt all world shattering, some are based on the f4's explorations and getting trapped in their wrath

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Trapster's still a less cheesy villain than Puppet Master. I don't think it's possible to take Puppet Master seriously unless High Evolutionary is previously established... and he's an Avengers villain over at Marvel.

Puppet master is almost essentially purple man... a mind controlling rapist. His mind control is what you utilize, and basically theyd make him a jason 143 2.0 id imagine. Creepy and manipulative. Id take that over trapster any day

 

[spideyboy_1111]

re: Lucia von Bardas

Not sure why the Fox fans think that's even a sequel option. I doubt Fox has her. Marvel likely has her film rights.

Lucia would be under fox's control, shes deeply tied to latveria

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Because Cartoon Network used her within their animated FF series. She's part of the FF rights.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Four:_World's_Greatest_Heroes

That matters not, that cartoon was by marvel not fox... marvel can use anyone they want in their properties. Thats not proof of anything. But as i just said, her strong ties to latveria likely make her with fox. Not your invalid reasoning

 

[Jordacar]

my list would be like this

Ff1: Doom
ff2: Mole Man
ff3: Annihilus, Blastarr
ff4: Frightful Four with Wizard as the leader
ff5: Skrulls
ff6: Puppet Master, Psycho Man, Impossible Man
ff7: Silver Surfer, Terrax, Galactus

then add Doom in some of those films... Fox might not have Namor and the Inhumans but I dont think they are limited when it comes to villains. And I prefer Black Panther to be separated from Fant4stic, I feel like he has his own mythology so I dont mind.

Not bad. I think I'd swap the first two. I'm sick of Doom getting roped into the origin. He's better off getting a whole movie to himself.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ugh... just let go fox. Let go

 

[Dasher10]

If Fox and Marvel agree to terms, it won't be with this FF cast.

Doubtful. Fox won't recast the X-Men and that means bringing the FF with them. The alternative is the FF reverting to Marvel.

 

[Eddie]

Iron Patriot is deeply tied to being Norman freaking Osborn. Marvel has Iron Patriot. Marvel also has SWORD (AoS Easter Egg) despite showing up in X-Men first, Kree despite their ties to the FF, partial Skrull rights despite their major FF ties, Inhumans despite their major FF ties, the ability to use highly modified versions of Raina and Scorch, at least partial Alpha Flight access (Department H AoS reference), etc.

We also know from the Sony hack that loads of minor characters that are actual villains of the character don't necessarily get bundled in with the film rights. Sony couldn't use Hypno-Hustler, for example.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Doubtful. Fox won't recast the X-Men and that means bringing the FF with them. The alternative is the FF reverting to Marvel.

Fox cant build a shared universe with the f4... due to contractual clauses... so yes... the f4 would get a new cast just like spidey

 

[spideyboy_1111]

We also know from the Sony hack that loads of minor characters that are actual villains of the character don't necessarily get bundled in with the film rights. Sony couldn't use Hypno-Hustler, for example.

When did this get confirmed? Surely if sony can bring in iron man, disney can bring in jameson and the bugle all over the mcu, and characters like daredevil crossing over with spidey, mysterio with daredevil, and black cat with heroes for hire. Im sure they all need cleared first, and i doubt marvel can debut a spidey villain , but they can probably get studio permission if sony has no plans to use them, or if they already have. The new deal is all about cooperating. Sony just has control (with help and guidance) over their films and properties

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Id also like to point out, the new deal happened after the hacks. So i wouldnt count the older discussions via hacks as definitive proof

 

[Dasher10]

Not bad. I think I'd swap the first two. I'm sick of Doom getting roped into the origin. He's better off getting a whole movie to himself.

No to Impossible Man. I can't stand him.

Other Marvel villains I hate and hope to never see on film or TV

X-Men: Wildside, Obnoxio, Brainchild, Maximus Lobo (Azazel was sadly already in a film)

Daredevil: Leap Frog, Matador

Iron Man: The Chessmen

Spider-Man: Judas Traveller, Big Wheel, Kangaroo

It's not that Impossible Man is outlandish, its that he's a lousy villain. One of Thor's greatest enemies is a talking planet named Ego. Ego still has a cool factor to him and can be a credible threat. Impossible Man isn't so much outlandish as he is silly and I can't take him seriously.

 

[Eddie]

The new deal allows for that stuff, sure. Fox doesn't have the new deal. They have a twenty year old deal that probably didn't stipulate that they would automatically get a character that was created as a villain for a S.H.I.E.L.D. focused event comic just because she happens to be from Latveria. She's not terribly unlike Victoria Hand in the sense that a big part of her character is tied to a major component of a franchise Marvel doesn't have the rights too, but she's from a Marvel Universe event first and foremost. Marvel has Victoria Hand, so...

 

[Eddie]

No to Impossible Man. I can't stand him.

Other Marvel villains I hate and hope to never see on film or TV

X-Men: Wildside, Obnoxio, Brainchild, Maximus Lobo (Azazel was sadly already in a film)

Daredevil: Leap Frog, Matador

Iron Man: The Chessmen

Spider-Man: Judas Traveller, Big Wheel, Kangaroo

It's not that Impossible Man is outlandish, its that he's a lousy villain. One of Thor's greatest enemies is a talking planet named Ego. Ego still has a cool factor to him and can be a credible threat. Impossible Man isn't so much outlandish as he is silly and I can't take him seriously.

Obnoxio is originally from a Marvel published MAD-like magazine, not X-Men. He won't show up in a Fox production unfortunately.

 

[Dasher10]

Iron Patriot is deeply tied to being Norman freaking Osborn. Marvel has Iron Patriot. Marvel also has SWORD (AoS Easter Egg) despite showing up in X-Men first, Kree despite their ties to the FF, partial Skrull rights despite their major FF ties, Inhumans despite their major FF ties, the ability to use highly modified versions of Raina and Scorch, at least partial Alpha Flight access (Department H AoS reference), etc.

We also know from the Sony hack that loads of minor characters that are actual villains of the character don't necessarily get bundled in with the film rights. Sony couldn't use Hypno-Hustler, for example.

SWORD was probably part of the Nick Fury and SHIELD rights (hoping Marvel has Abigail Brand)

Kree were probably packed with both Ms Marvel and Inhumans instead of FF. Mostly since you can't do Ms Marvel or Inhumans without the Kree.

Skrulls are also tied to Hulk so I can see why those are split.

Inhumans I'm a bit surprised about but I'm guessing that they were either sold back by Fox or were bundled as their own property and sold to another studio before reverting to Marvel. They've also had their own series on plenty of occasions.

Scorch was a New Warriors villain despite being a mutant. Kind of like how Marvel has Scarlet Witch since she's an Avenger and Whirlwind is probably over with Ant-Man and Wasp.

Raina is a completely different character than the Raina from the comics. She shares a name but she's a completely original character to the MCU.

Personally, if I were Marvel, I'd try to get access to Viper since I don't get why she's part of the X-Men rights as opposed to the Captain America rights.