Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

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An update to be taken with a grain of salt

Crew member that I've spoken to before has said the general feeling about this film is that it can be "salvaged" and they have enough footage to "save it". Says it won't be a "great film" but it will get to a point that it will "sell tickets".

I suspect that's been Fox's attitude for the past six months.

They see comments on the internet indicating people will go see this no matter what, so they figure they can make the budget back and keep the rights for another round even though production has been a disaster.
 
Do I believe that filmmakers will make an entire movie one uncompromising tone, with no humor or fun? No. I don't believe a writer with even the most basic knowledge of structure and tone would create a script like that. Nor do I believe any studio would ALLOW that from a major motion picture.

You're speaking my language here.
 
If I had to speculate on how dark it is, I'd put it somewhere between X-Men 1 and The Dark Knight. I don't think it's likely to be lighter than that, given some of the footage we've seen, but nothing I've seen or heard leads me to expect a Chronicle or a Watchmen.
 
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Where is the idea that this movie is going to be nothing but dark coming from?

If it’s the teaser trailer…I feel like it’s pretty obvious that this first teaser likely focused on the darker, more serious elements of the film in an effort to distance this version of the Four from previous films, not because the whole film is grim and dark.

I would imagine the next trailer will have more action, humor, etc.
I get the sense that the tone will be “weird and cerebral” more than outright “dark”.

People also keep confusing “dark situations” (which pretty much every superhero goes through) with “dark characters”. A serious film or series of events does not necessarily mean the characters themselves will be dark.

Nevermind that the Fantastic Four have been through some of the most serious, “darkest” situations of any comic book characters I’ve seen.

I dunno, people just keep jumping to conclusions based on little bits of info taken out of context.



Agreed.

There’s something of a double standard on this. It’s ok for some films to make changes and not okay for others to do so. Usually it depends on the quality of the film after fanboys view it, as many of them are unable to separate the degree of change from the quality of the film itself, but FF has been prejudged as being a bad film that has made changes to the source material.

Look at BATMAN BEGINS. Some sizeable changes made to Batman’s origin, his training, etc. The filmmakers felt they could honor the best of the mythology and make a more efficient film by making these changes.


I don't know that anyone has said it will be "nothing but dark"...the fact that you have to go to a far extreme to try and make your point makes it pretty weak...most have said that it is "darker" than what they want. I don't know that there is anything wrong with that, it is their opinion and taste as far as the F4, they want lighter fair...I myself know that there are darker arcs in the F4 comics, as do the other fans of the comics, but just because they are seeing this as being darker than they would like is not wrong on their part, again it is their opinion. If some want fewer changes from the comic, again, so what? that is their opinion.

Why is it that there is such a need to have a comeback for every opinion that isn't toward the positive?

I happen to think that it could very well be an interesting movie, and I plan on seeing it....so maybe I am more towards the positive view at this point, but I certainly do not feel the need to take every negative point on as if it is a slam against something I personally wrote. It's a forum that is, for the most part, fans of the comics first...so yeah, they are going to talk, and talk, and talk, and talk about what they have seen and heard, no matter how little it is....again, I have to say, so what? What is that such a big deal? It's a forum, you are supposed to give your opinion on things that you have seen and heard about a movie, and even come up with some stuff on their own. Why is it any different from those who are gung ho as hell about this project, and can't wait for it to come out based on the little they have seen and heard...cool....everyone is talking about it. Yippee that is what is supposed to be happening...

It's an opinion, everyone has one... :cwink:
 
If I had to speculate on how dark it is, I'd put it somewhere between X-Men 1 and The Dark Knight. I don't think it's likely to be lighter than that, given some of the footage we've soon, but nothing I've seen or heard leads me to expect a Chronicle or a Watchmen.


Yeah, very possible, but things can change with the next trailer, and probably will....lol AND THEN, change again...
 
Do I believe that filmmakers will make an entire movie one uncompromising tone, with no humor or fun? No. I don't believe a writer with even the most basic knowledge of structure and tone would create a script like that. Nor do I believe any studio would ALLOW that from a major motion picture. And I think that anyone who believes this to be the case is seriously biased against this production and is just being ridiculous and hyperbolic about its likely content.l.

Let me climb back up on my soapbox.

We've seen and heard nothing thus far from anyone involved in this production that would suggest the film is at all fun or humorous. There are also true believers holding out hope that the vent and spring filled costumes must be transition suits, but I'm going to continue to believe my lying ears and eyes.

I would suggest that those who continue to believe FFINO will have a tone or appearance that differs wildly from what we've seen and heard may be a smidge biased in favor of the film.
 
An update to be taken with a grain of salt

Crew member that I've spoken to before has said the general feeling about this film is that it can be "salvaged" and they have enough footage to "save it". Says it won't be a "great film" but it will get to a point that it will "sell tickets".

That's pretty much what I'm expecting. It's a reboot which hurts box office returns. Fox isn't going all out on this since they're taking the time to establish the characters and their relationships with each other, then going all out for the sequels.
 
I would suggest that those who continue to believe FFINO will have a tone or appearance that differs wildly from what we've seen and heard may be a smidge biased in favor of the film.

I continue to hope that the next trailer we get will look and feel completely different than what we've seen. But I won't allow that hope to turn to the delusion that a much better trailer is likely.

And I won't let my strong desire to see a good Fantastic Four film convince me that what we're actually seeing comprises the components of a good Fantastic Four film.
 
I continue to hope that the next trailer we get will look and feel completely different than what we've seen. But I won't allow that hope to turn to the delusion that a much better trailer is likely.

Taking all bets that the theatrical trailer will look nearly identical to the teaser except with longer bits of dialogue and more not good cgi set pieces/action.

I'll put down 1 million internet dollars.
 
That's pretty much what I'm expecting. It's a reboot which hurts box office returns. Fox isn't going all out on this since they're taking the time to establish the characters and their relationships with each other, then going all out for the sequels.

Neil Blomkamp for FF2!

Reed Richards vs. South African military dictatorial robots disguised as aliens keeping medicine from the poor!!!!

Taking all bets that the theatrical trailer will look nearly identical to the teaser except with longer bits of dialogue and more not good cgi set pieces/action.

I'll put down 1 million internet dollars.

If there's even one wonky shot of CGI in the trailer people will eat it alive.
 
That's pretty much what I'm expecting. It's a reboot which hurts box office returns. Fox isn't going all out on this since they're taking the time to establish the characters and their relationships with each other, then going all out for the sequels.

Yeah.... no. This is bad filmmaking.
 
Yeah.... no. This is bad filmmaking.

Remember the days when people didn't claim studios were saving the good **** for a make-believe sequel as an excuse for why a first movie was not good?

Those were great times.

"Oh don't worry bros, it'll TOTALLY look more like the Fantastic Four in the sequel! Meanwhile, spend your money on THIS half-assed attempt in order to ENSURE that sequel! You want to see the Fantastic Four dontcha?! Then pay up nerd."
 
Seriously, "We're saving it for the sequel" is NOT how you do things.

You get it right the first time, then expand from there.
 
Seriously, "We're saving it for the sequel" is NOT how you do things.

You get it right the first time, then expand from there.

It's just code for "we're playing it safe and cheap for the first movie, hoping we sucker in a bunch of people with trailer spectacle in order to recoup costs and justify that sequel."

It worked fine for movies like Rise and Dawn of the Apes because it was building an overarching story of escalation, where things start small and then eventually blow up into post-Ape Apocalypse.

Marvel, again, is doing it right. Giving us big spectacle relating and appropriate to each hero, but saving the HUGE AWESOME **** for the team-ups.

We're not getting big spectacle in this movie. We're getting green screen soundstages and garbage bag hobo blogger domashev.
 
Can someone school me on "the negative zone" I haven't been reading the comics for a while now.
 
Can someone school me on "the negative zone" I haven't been reading the comics for a while now.

"The Negative Zone in the Marvel Comics Universe is used as a fictional dimension. Essentially, it is a universe parallel to Earth's. The two have many similarities, but a few noteworthy differences include: all matter in the Negative Zone is negatively charged; the Negative Zone is entirely filled with a pressurized, breathable atmosphere; and near the center of the Negative Zone is a deadly vortex of unspeakable power. Since the Negative Zone is largely uninhabited, several would-be conquerors have attempted to bridge the gap to Earth and take over its population. A few notable residents of the Negative Zone include Blastaar, Annihilus, Stygorr and Noktiis.

The Negative Zone is often visited by the Fantastic Four as Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic) discovered it, and has mapped portions of it extensively"
 
"The Negative Zone in the Marvel Comics Universe is used as a fictional dimension. Essentially, it is a universe parallel to Earth's. The two have many similarities, but a few noteworthy differences include: all matter in the Negative Zone is negatively charged; the Negative Zone is entirely filled with a pressurized, breathable atmosphere; and near the center of the Negative Zone is a deadly vortex of unspeakable power. Since the Negative Zone is largely uninhabited, several would-be conquerors have attempted to bridge the gap to Earth and take over its population. A few notable residents of the Negative Zone include Blastaar, Annihilus, Stygorr and Noktiis.

The Negative Zone is often visited by the Fantastic Four as Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic) discovered it, and has mapped portions of it extensively"

Thank you!
 
An update to be taken with a grain of salt

Crew member that I've spoken to before has said the general feeling about this film is that it can be "salvaged" and they have enough footage to "save it". Says it won't be a "great film" but it will get to a point that it will "sell tickets".

I think its gonna be just fine. The film itself will do more than just salvaged.
 
That's pretty much what I'm expecting. It's a reboot which hurts box office returns. Fox isn't going all out on this since they're taking the time to establish the characters and their relationships with each other, then going all out for the sequels.

If people aren't impressed with the first one their not going to come back for the sequel.
 
Can someone school me on "the negative zone" I haven't been reading the comics for a while now.

Since 1966 perhaps? :p

The Negative Zone has been around in the Fantastic Four since issue 51. It's been a place for random bad guys to come out of (Blastaar, Annihilus) since then.

More seriously, RAE072 had a good description. Just to add to that, from recent comics, it was featured in Civil War as the place to intern superheroes that refused to register.
 
I remember some poster saying that it's okay for this or that to make changes as it improves on the comics while saying another is bastardising the source :shrug:

Yeah, how dare they have a difference in opinion about 2 different films. What's good for one should be good for everything!

Now what should the penalty be 100 lashes or be forced to see the film?
 
Yeah, how dare they have a difference in opinion about 2 different films. What's good for one should be good for everything!

It's almost like someone forming an opinion based on each specific set of circumstances rather than blindly attaching a generic label to cover everything. What a radical concept.
 
Since 1966 perhaps? :p

The Negative Zone has been around in the Fantastic Four since issue 51. It's been a place for random bad guys to come out of (Blastaar, Annihilus) since then.

More seriously, RAE072 had a good description. Just to add to that, from recent comics, it was featured in Civil War as the place to intern superheroes that refused to register.

So do you think most of the movie will be based in the negative zone?
 
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