Fant4stic: Reborn! - - Part 36

[Drz]

You are forgiven, even when you don't need it whatsoever. It is your right as a customer to choose what you want to read. =)

Yeah i'm on the minority here with the Maker support + Goat legs Doom, but a Ultimate fan can dream right?! :P I'd say Maker would fit with Ultimate Annihilus, Gah Lak Tus and the whole Ultimate Kang ideas floating around, since Trank was aiming for the Ultimates vibe and we can see that with the Government wanting to weaponize Fantastic Four.

 

[Orba]

I'll admit to Maker being a cool character but he still works better as an alternate universe version of Reed. I don't want to see Reed from either Marvel Studios or Fox turn evil. And forgive me if I stopped reading Ultimate Marvel after Ultimatum.

The big problem with the Maker idea is that it dumps the core theme of the entire franchise, family.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Well, we have seen and heard so little about Doom its hard to judge, I don't he will be exactly the Doom from the comics but I am interested so see what they have done.

Let's face it Marvel have done poorly with plenty of their villains and their movies were not effected most of the time, so a good performance here is a good start and we know we will get that. I am looking forward to his performance myself.

Ok what's with the stigma of MCU and bad villains? The good outweigh the bad.

Loki, Laufey, Obadiah, Raza and the Ten Rings, Ross and Emil Blonsky, Aldrich Killian, Winter Soldier, Brock Rumlow, Alexander Pierce, Nebula, Ultron, were good to great.

Poor to bad (according to most here) were Red Skull, Vanko, Malekith and Ronan. And even then those are debatable.


Anyway Dr Doom is as we all know, Marvel's and arguably comic's greatest villain, and in this movie he's reduced to a potato sack wearing blogger who names himself on the internet. But hey more power to you if you're looking forward to this.

 

[terry78]

Honestly, if he turns out to actually be heir to the Latverian throne I will be fine with that. Like you think he's just some Eastern European guy talking **** online but he's actually royalty.

 

[Dasher10]

Honestly, if he turns out to actually be heir to the Latverian throne I will be fine with that. Like you think he's just some Eastern European guy talking **** online but he's actually royalty.

Or if he actually manages to conquer his old homeland despite being a nobody. He's not even royalty, his ancestors were Romani. He's nothing more than an internet troll who after the credits sits upon the throne of his own country as the loser who became the most powerful man in the world. He'll have gone from a nobody to somebody who nobody wants to mess with and everyone has heard of.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Honestly, if he turns out to actually be heir to the Latverian throne I will be fine with that. Like you think he's just some Eastern European guy talking **** online but he's actually royalty.

Actually, just to split a hair, he should be from a family of poor gypsies - not heir to the throne. That was, in my opinion one of many huge flaws in UFF. They made him a rich, spoiled brat.

But from history, we know that people like Hitler, Stalin and Saddam Hussein came from very poor families.

He shouldn't be royalty - he should be someone who has suffered abuse at the hands of the rich and privileged who wants to take control - not slide into a pre-ordained role as leader.

From what Kebbell said, that real Doom backstory with gypsy parents is what he's playing. The problem is even if he's playing Doom right in every way possible, if the actual script doesn't allow him to do it it right it could still be a problem.

Unfortunately, people like Kinberg and Trank don't understand the subtle yet important things that people like Kirby and Lee did when creating these classic characters. They see them on a very superficial level and they don't see any reason they shouldn't completely change them to make them more 'interesting' from their dull-witted, ignorant view-point.

 

[Zarex]

Ok what's with the stigma of MCU and bad villains? The good outweigh the bad.

Loki, Laufey, Obadiah, Raza and the Ten Rings, Ross and Emil Blonsky, Aldrich Killian, Winter Soldier, Brock Rumlow, Alexander Pierce, Nebula, Ultron, were good to great.

Poor to bad (according to most here) were Red Skull, Vanko, Malekith and Ronan. And even then those are debatable.


Anyway Dr Doom is as we all know, Marvel's and arguably comic's greatest villain, and in this movie he's reduced to a potato sack wearing blogger who names himself on the internet. But hey more power to you if you're looking forward to this.

I would add that the TV villains have been terrific and have certainly been aided by the additional screen time. Fisk was fantastic on DD, and his associates - Vanessa, Wesley, Madame Gao, Owsly, Nobu and the Russians - were no slouches. Garrett, Ward and Zabo were terrific on AOS, Creel was great in live action, and Dottie and Dr. Faustus were equally compellng on Agent Carter.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ok what's with the stigma of MCU and bad villains? The good outweigh the bad.

Loki, Laufey, Obadiah, Raza and the Ten Rings, Ross and Emil Blonsky, Aldrich Killian, Winter Soldier, Brock Rumlow, Alexander Pierce, Nebula, Ultron, were good to great.

Poor to bad (according to most here) were Red Skull, Vanko, Malekith and Ronan. And even then those are debatable.


Anyway Dr Doom is as we all know, Marvel's and arguably comic's greatest villain, and in this movie he's reduced to a potato sack wearing blogger who names himself on the internet. But hey more power to you if you're looking forward to this.

Well, some of the ones you listed as good are debatable, I personally found Ultron and Von Strucker very disappointing, and wouldnt say the likes of Killian and Raza were good. There is a reason their movies are known to have poor villains for the most part.

The thing with Doom s we hardly know anything, the blogger stuff will be minimal, and we don't know how the movie ends and what it sets up for sequels. If he is a bad villain I will say so, but until I see the movie I can't properly judge, plenty of CBM villains I expected to be good turned out bad, I am hoping to opposite happens here but can't judge until I see it. It's his origin, he is not going to be the Doom we have all known for years in the 1st movie and I accepted that long ago.

 

[Dasher10]

Actually, just to split a hair, he should be from a family of poor gypsies - not heir to the throne. That was, in my opinion one of many huge flaws in UFF. They made him a rich, spoiled brat.

But from history, we know that people like Hitler, Stalin and Saddam Hussein came from very poor families.

He shouldn't be royalty - he should be someone who has suffered abuse at the hands of the rich and privileged who wants to take control - not slide into a pre-ordained role as leader.

From what Kebbell said, that real Doom backstory with gypsy parents is what he's playing. The problem is even if he's playing Doom right in every way possible, if the actual script doesn't allow him to do it it right it could still be a problem.

Unfortunately, people like Kinberg and Trank don't understand the subtle yet important things that people like Kirby and Lee did when creating these classic characters. They see them on a very superficial level and they don't see any reason they shouldn't completely change them to make them more 'interesting' from their dull-witted, ignorant view-point.

Or he's simply a nobody who's becoming the Doom we all know and love?

 

[Urich Leeds]

Or if he actually manages to conquer his old homeland despite being a nobody. He's not even royalty, his ancestors were Romani. He's nothing more than an internet troll who after the credits sits upon the throne of his own country as the loser who became the most powerful man in the world. He'll have gone from a nobody to somebody who nobody wants to mess with and everyone has heard of.

It'll be cheapened by the fact he has powers and N-Zone enhanced intelligence. Whereas in the comics, Doom conquered Latveria using his god given intelligence, and advanced technology he created with it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the maker is an awful idea for film... and makes my head hurt even remotely thinking about it...

It's fine for Alt world and "what if" kinda things.. or if he's Reed from the future or alt/universe in a film and they have to defeat him.. but that's about it... and even then, it's hardly an original story plot

 

[Orba]

the maker is an awful idea for film... and makes my head hurt even remotely thinking about it...

It's fine for Alt world and "what if" kinda things.. or if he's Reed from the future or alt/universe in a film and they have to defeat him.. but that's about it... and even then, it's hardly an original story plot

Yeah he has some potential as an interesting character, just as long as he is not the 'Real Reed'.

 

[Drz]

It'll be cheapened by the fact he has powers and N-Zone enhanced intelligence. Whereas in the comics, Doom conquered Latveria using his god given intelligence, and advanced technology he created with it.

Even tough Ultimate Doctor Doom received his powers through the same way Fantastic Four did, that didn't hinder his accomplishments, same applies here.

Also where are we getting this N-zone enhanced intelligence?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Even tough Ultimate Doctor Doom received his powers through the same way Fantastic Four did, that didn't hinder his accomplishments, same applies here.

Also where are we getting this N-zone enhanced intelligence?

Yeah he is a clever guy already, he just gets more knowledge from being in the N-Zone, similar to Loki in between Thor and Avengers.

 

[TeeKay]

What was the difference between Loki in between Avengers and Thor?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What was the difference between Loki in between Avengers and Thor?

He gained knowledge of the Tesseract and other things he previously didn't know beforehand. He even says to Thor in Avengers that he has 'grown' since his time in Asgard.

 

[Erzengel]

I don't think that's an apt comparison. If Doom does become smarter as an effect of N-Zone, that's different then simply gaining knowledge about the infinity stone.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think that's an apt comparison. If Doom does become smarter as an effect of N-Zone, that's different then simply gaining knowledge about the infinity stone.

I don't think he will become smarter, I just think he will gain more knowledge about other worlds, like Loki did when he left Asgard.

 

[Erzengel]

I would be more inclined to believe that Loki received his knowledge through Thanos or one of his emissaries as opposed to just being exposed to radiation that opens up his mind or feeds it about other worlds. I still think that's different.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would be more inclined to believe that Loki received his knowledge through Thanos or one of his emissaries as opposed to just being exposed to radiation that opens up his mind or feeds it about other worlds. I still think that's different.

I am not saying radiation will make him smarter, just that he will gain knowledge of things beyond human understanding, like other worlds we never knew of, etc, like Loki did. I doubt Loki went straight to Thanos from Asgard, I bet he visited other worlds first and 'grew' that way also.

The negative zone is full of worlds in the comics, I presume it will be here, plus there are rumours he meets Annihilus and learns of things like Galactus while he spends time there as he gets stuck there for longer than the heroes.

 

[RAE072]

I am not saying radiation will make him smarter, just that he will gain knowledge of things beyond human understanding, like other worlds we never knew of

Huh.

 

[Quasar]

In regards to the classic costumes, if they were to wear the costumes in this movie at all, I am 100% certain they would have spoiled that in the trailers and/or tv spots. No reason to keep that a hidden surprise for the movie goers, especially when that lack of costumes is one of the things that's keeping lots of people away.

 

[Drz]

Yeah he is a clever guy already, he just gets more knowledge from being in the N-Zone, similar to Loki in between Thor and Avengers.

I am not saying radiation will make him smarter, just that he will gain knowledge of things beyond human understanding, like other worlds we never knew of, etc, like Loki did. I doubt Loki went straight to Thanos from Asgard, I bet he visited other worlds first and 'grew' that way also.

The negative zone is full of worlds in the comics, I presume it will be here, plus there are rumours he meets Annihilus and learns of things like Galactus while he spends time there as he gets stuck there for longer than the heroes.

Yeah fully agreed. I mean, the explosions didn't make Reed Richards smarter because he became the elongated man who could stretch his brain and whatnot, likewise the N-Zone causes Dr. Doom to have the opportunity to learn more and master what he learns.

 

[Mad Ones]

I hope the rumours about Doom meeting Annihilus and learning about Galactus is true.

 

[Quasar]

When I was a kid, I always pronounced Annihilus as it looks, Ann-ih-hill-us. When I watched the 94 Animated Series, Stan Lee had an introduction before the show and he pronounced it like Annihilate, and it literally blew my mind. I always liked Annihilus more than Blastaar, and part of that was because I thought Blastaar had a really dumb name. (I blast, ergo my name is Blast-something!), plus the hyperolic subtitle of "THE LIVING BOMBURST!" that was so prevalent of that time. Then to learn that Annihilus did something similiar. (I annihilate things, ergo my name is Annihilate-something!) Anyway, to this day I still pronounce it Ann-ih-hill-us, because I like him too much to call him that other name.