Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - Part 37

[lordofthenerds]

I don't agree with the idea a Director can be critized for giving a pitch, having it greenlit and doing the movie he wanted. Lots of people can always say Directors could change the story because of X or Y reasons, but why? The director is telling the story he wants, or what the studio wants.

So, if I understand this correctly, the director who makes a pitch isn't worth criticizing so long his pitched gets picked up by a studio? Why? Just because he's telling the story he wants (and some sucker bought it) doesn't necessarily mean it's a story worth telling.

You're acting as though all the blame is suddenly transferred to the studio once they greenlight the idea. I disagree. The blame isn't transferred to them, they simply share it.

We'll now we're going circles but why can't a science fiction superhero comic book have an emphasis on the family and science? Overcoming obstacles in non violent solutions? FOX has called this movie a prequel and Trank wanted to do an Origin story, did it need violence? According to the studio it did. Will the audience enjoy that action? Only time will tell.

Because it's an adaptation of a property known for action and adventure. Adaptations are supposed to capture the spirit and essence of the properties they're adapting. You can't capture the spirit of the Fantastic Four without including action and adventure, and a couple of trips to Planet Zero wouldn't cut it for me.

 

[Erzengel]

They're projecting MIRN opening this weekend at 40+ million. FF next week in theory shouldn't have trouble coming in at 50 million. Man from Uncle opens the week after that. While I like Guy Ritchie, I don't see it doing more than a 30 million which gives FF a slim chance depending on quality of remaining #1 at the BO.

 

[RAE072]

Shaun The Sheep and The Gift

Oh wow.

Yeah Shaun might slaughter this thing. Kid's movie that looks great? Almost no question.

The Gift'll do suspense thriller numbers.

All will combine to erode Fantfourstic's box office revenue.

As well, we're getting reviews for these movies that come out before or at the same time as Fantfourstic, but no reviews for Fantfourstic.

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.

 

[RAE072]

They're projecting MIRN opening this weekend at 40+ million. FF next week in theory shouldn't have trouble coming in at 50 million. Man from Uncle opens the week after that. While I like Guy Ritchie, I don't see it doing more than a 30 million which gives FF a slim chance depending on quality of remaining #1 at the BO.

Unless the reviews, which are probably going to be held off until a few days before release, are awful.

Then I could see mid 40s or less.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Unless the reviews, which are probably going to be held off until a few days before release, are awful.

Then I could see mid 40s or less.

Imo, mid-40s would be a decent guess for both the tomatometer and OW box office.

 

[Drz]

Just because he's telling the story he wants (and some sucker bought it) doesn't necessarily mean it's a story worth telling.

Well as you can see that is upon the individual, noone is going to like every movie. Even the most popular blockbusters or critically received movies will find people who don't like it or not, who could say "yeah the director should have done this and that" so yeah, the audience can decide for themselves what kind of a movie they want to see, what they liked and so on, but noone should be telling any director what to do. That's my opinion on the principal matter.

Adaptations are supposed to capture the spirit and essence of the properties they're adapting.

Yeah, and I don't see how it is essantial for the Fantastic Four to get into fights when you can put emphasis on adventure, family and science.

Should we have Reed Richards build a prison for dangerous criminals and support the government registering superheroes too because it's part of Reed's essence? :b (PS. This is extra funny coming from me, because I want the Maker to happen, but you get the idea! )

and a couple of trips to Planet Zero wouldn't cut it for me.

Well this is their origin story, the sequel can have the Multiverse!

Doom 2099! Supreme Squadron! Planet of the Apes! House of M! Anything is possible!

 

[Val_Zod]

Oh wow.

Yeah Shaun might slaughter this thing. Kid's movie that looks great? Almost no question.

The Gift'll do suspense thriller numbers.

All will combine to erode Fantfourstic's box office revenue.

As well, we're getting reviews for these movies that come out before or at the same time as Fantfourstic, but no reviews for Fantfourstic.

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.

Also Rogue Nation might have a strong second week due to strong WOM, and that could take away from the blockbuster fans. So really, this thing will struggle with no real demographic.

 

[RAE072]

Imo, mid-40s would be a decent guess for both the tomatometer and OW box office.

One could hope! Mid 40s or lower is my ideal.

Also Rogue Nation might have a strong second week due to strong WOM, and that could take away from the blockbuster fans. So really, this thing will struggle with no real demographic.

Something tells me RN will be the last good BIG summer blockbuster of the year.

 

[TMP99]

From all the behind the scenes stuff we know about the movie, did this have more production issues or The Revenant?

 

[sleekstereo]

Saw the trailer while watching Ant-Man today. It looks great on the bigger screen compared to YouTube.

Also, it was interesting hearing the reactions from the younger crowd/teenagers, which was positive. Makes me think if Fox's strategy of advertising on the kid/teen driven networks will pay off.

 

[Erzengel]

Something tells me RN will be the last good BIG summer blockbuster of the year.

BIG summer blockbuster to me is at least a $300 domestic.

GP only made $200 domestically and Cruise's last 3 action movies top out at $100 million. If RN makes it to $200, they would be pretty decent. Cruise's movies tend do better overseas.

 

[Zarex]

Well this is their origin story, the sequel can have the Multiverse!

Doom 2099! Supreme Squadron! Planet of the Apes! House of M! Anything is possible!

I think a crossover between Fant4stic and Planet of the Apes is as likely as a crossover with the other Marvel character family licensed to FOX. And I see two issues with Squadron. The team has been featured on the Avengers Assemble cartoon, which has shied away from most of the FOX controlled characters. More than likely the team is with Marvel. Also, I think WB may have a problem with an evil (or misunderstood) Justice League popping up on the big screen.

 

[justanotherguy]

Saw the trailer while watching Ant-Man today. It looks great on the bigger screen compared to YouTube.

Also, it was interesting hearing the reactions from the younger crowd/teenagers, which was positive. Makes me think if Fox's strategy of advertising on the kid/teen driven networks will pay off.

Personally I didn't see an improvement in the quality of the trailer while watching Ant-Man.

I did pay attention to any feedback in the thearter by anyone. I got crickets and there were kids and teens in the showing.

Doesn't mean anything...I really think the reviews will make or break this movie.

It's not going to get a lot of daytime tickets sales because for some parts of the country, school is starting back up.

There is less fanfare for this movie than the 05 one for sure.

 

[RAE072]

Well this is their origin story, the sequel can have the Multiverse!

Doom 2099! Supreme Squadron! Planet of the Apes! House of M! Anything is possible!

 

[Paradox1]

From all the behind the scenes stuff we know about the movie, did this have more production issues or The Revenant?

The Revenant easily the cast from that movie were quitting or being fired. The director had a vision of wanting to make it seem authentic so he dragged the cast and crew through hell to do it.

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah, and I don't see how it is essantial for the Fantastic Four to get into fights when you can put emphasis on adventure, family and science.

You really think a movie centered around comic book characters with super powers coming into conflict with other super-powered characters doesn't require fighting and action sequences? That's easily one of the strangest things I've ever heard around here.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You really think a movie centered around comic book characters with super powers coming into conflict with other super-powered characters doesn't require fighting and action sequences? That's easily one of the strangest things I've ever heard around here.

He's just saying that to defend the film, he probably wouldn't say that about any other comic book movie I bet. I do think there are people who, legitimately and strangely in my opinion, have an aversion to action in these films but I suspect he isn't one of them. If he proves me wrong fine, I'll concede that he is one of those people and isn't just trying to stan for this particular film.

 

[The Guard]

Do people actually think FOX greenlighted a superhero movie without action? I think there's something to be said for the idea that a FOUR film, especially an origin film, doesn't need AS MUCH action as other superhero movies. It's obviously not completely devoid of action sequences, though. Nor do I buy the nonsense about reshoots "adding action scenes". There's no way FOX would let a superhero movie be made without action prior to reshoots.

 

[Paradox1]

For people into this kind of thing here is clip of Marco Beltrami and Philip Glass https://www.juno.co.uk/products/marco-beltrami-philip-glass-fantastic-four-soundtrack/581330-01/

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm sure there was always some action, doesn't mean that they didn't add more.

 

[Flint Marko]

He's just saying that to defend the film, he wouldn't say that about any other comic book movie I bet.

I can't even begin to wrap my head around it.
"Alright Doom, I can stretch my body at will, and my friends can fly, shoot flames and force fields, and dismantle tanks with their bare hands. You have some sort of telekinetic abilities, energy manipulation, super strength, and who knows what else. But you know what? Let's just talk it out. Bring it on in, big guy!"

The Revenant easily the cast from that movie were quitting or being fired. The director had a vision of wanting to make it seem authentic so he dragged the cast and crew through hell to do it.

Well in that case the production issues were very much intentional. That's worth bringing up.

It's not going to get a lot of daytime tickets sales because for some parts of the country, school is starting back up.

I didn't even consider that.

I'm sure there was always some action, doesn't mean that they didn't add more.

I have a feeling this is the case.

 

[Snow Queen]

I'm not sure why Suicide Squad needs action scenes. They should just make it about Amanda Waller trying to get the Suicide Squad approved. It can be a prequel to Suicide Squad called Suicide Squad, just like this is a prequel to Fantastic Four.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not sure why Suicide Squad needs action scenes. They should just make it about Amanda Waller trying to get the Suicide Squad approved. It can be a prequel to Suicide Squad called Suicide Squad, just like this is a prequel to Fantastic Four.

The whole film can just be meetings and dinners!

 

[Snow Queen]

The whole film can just be meetings and dinners!

No dinner, cutting that steak might be too much action.

 

[Zarex]

There's also going to be a crapload of forms to fill out. I have long been hoping for a hard-administrative take on the superhero genre.