Fast & Furious 7 - Part 2

[Shpati]

Since "what's a trilogy" was brought up several pages ago....

I think "The Fast and Furious", "Fast & Furious", and "Fast 5" can sort of be a trilogy. In this trilogy, they are more street racers robbing and running from law enforcement. The franchise with the original crew could have easily finished in Fast 5 if they didn't go with the Letty return storyline.

One thing to note, at the end of Toyko Drift when Dom and Sean are about to race. Dom is acting all relaxed and says "I got nothing but time". This is why I think the franchise with the original crew could have ended with Fast 5. Sean already avenged Han's death. Dom just robs a big drug lord, gots money and a nice house on a beach, he's got "nothing but time"... But of course things had to take a different direction when they adjusted the story so it was Shaw that killed Han and Letty coming back with amnesia.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Fast 6 and 7, but when I rewatch Tokyo Drift and see one of my favorite scenes ever, it won't be as good because it doesn't make any sense. "You got nothing but time", you are acting all relaxed, beating everyone in Tokyo, yet you are being hunted by Shaw.

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"Fast and Furious 6" and "Furious 7" and the upcoming one will be it's own trilogy. These are more over the top with them working with the CIA and FBI.

2 Fast 2 Furious, and Tokyo Drift are sort of standalone movies.

btw, everybody should give Tokyo Drift a chance. It's an amazing movie. The resurrection of the franchise all started here with Justin Lin.

 

[Hush]

Just saw it and it hit my feels hard as ****.

 

[dude stannis]

The Rock wants Hobbs vs Stallone in Furious 8.

I've been wanting Stallone as Papa Toretto since Fast Five.

 

[LostSon88]

Papa Toretto's dead though...

 

[Herolee10]

Papa Toretto's dead though...

And so was Letty at one point as well. IF they really do want to bring in that character, given on how we actually never saw him die, they could say that he had found a way to survive in one of those revealing flashbacks.

Course, it should be interesting to see on how well some people will be able to understand what's going on in scenes with only Vin and Stallone talking.lol

 

[Liam_H]

Enjoyed 5 and 6 quite a lot but this one just didn't work for me. Maybe I'm getting old or something but it just got way too stupid. The plot is just a mess and made the movie drag. Great send off for Walker and his character just wish the rest of the movie was as good.

 

[Sharkboy]

Watched it a second time today, I don't know if it matches Fast Five (i don't know if anything will) but definitely 2nd place in the series, very very strong stuff and the ending just topped it off perfectly. Can't wait to see the Shaw brothers come back for a future iteration.

 

[kguillou]

Maybe its just because I like complete stories but I really hope that 7 is the last one for this current cast. Its such a great ending not just for Paul Walker but this current iteration and cast. I really cant imagine what they could possibly do in yet another film that could top 6 and 7. I hope they start fresh in the inevitable sequel.

 

[Herolee10]

I honestly can't see where they could go from this film without them treading on old waters again. I mean there's only so much that they can do with these characters and they've already played out the "death of a crew member" (Han, Giselle, and even Letty for awhile) card so where else can they go when it comes to emotional stakes?

And it's not like they'll have characters target Brian and his family again due to Fast 7 being his sendoff film.

 

[Kar]

Since "what's a trilogy" was brought up several pages ago....

I think "The Fast and Furious", "Fast & Furious", and "Fast 5" can sort of be a trilogy. In this trilogy, they are more street racers robbing and running from law enforcement. The franchise with the original crew could have easily finished in Fast 5 if they didn't go with the Letty return storyline.

One thing to note, at the end of Toyko Drift when Dom and Sean are about to race. Dom is acting all relaxed and says "I got nothing but time". This is why I think the franchise with the original crew could have ended with Fast 5. Sean already avenged Han's death. Dom just robs a big drug lord, gots money and a nice house on a beach, he's got "nothing but time"... But of course things had to take a different direction when they adjusted the story so it was Shaw that killed Han and Letty coming back with amnesia.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Fast 6 and 7, but when I rewatch Tokyo Drift and see one of my favorite scenes ever, it won't be as good because it doesn't make any sense. "You got nothing but time", you are acting all relaxed, beating everyone in Tokyo, yet you are being hunted by Shaw.

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"Fast and Furious 6" and "Furious 7" and the upcoming one will be it's own trilogy. These are more over the top with them working with the CIA and FBI.

2 Fast 2 Furious, and Tokyo Drift are sort of standalone movies.

btw, everybody should give Tokyo Drift a chance. It's an amazing movie. The resurrection of the franchise all started here with Justin Lin.

You hit the nail on the head. I agree 100% here. And Tokyo Drift really does not get the credit it deserves at all. It was the last movie in the franchise that still felt like a street racing movie, and while it was a good idea to stray away from that element with "Fast 5" even still they all went well together. I had issues with "Fast and Furious 6", mainly the corny amnesia thing, and the off the wall stunts like Dom catching Letty and them bringing down the plane (but I can't lie, that scene is still awesome). I felt like by part 6 Lin found an idea that worked and they decided to have fun with it now. At this point they could get away with making it an extreme action movie. And it was still cool.

But part 7? Eh...don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it for still being a thrill ride. Them rescuing Ramsey was probably my favorite scene throughout the whole movie up until the end. But now the series has crossed a threshold I'm afraid they can't turn back form unless executed right. Now we have drones and secret shadow government operations involved. I couldn't tell if I was watching Fast and Furious or Mission Impossible. And Jason Statham didn't do it for me. His brother was a WAY more interesting character. And then you got the Rock and his cheesy yet fun moments (that cast part just made me cringe more than the opening hospital carnage with Statham). I hope in later films they can find a way to scale it down to more gangsters and crime bosses with street. Fast 7 would have worked better if Shaw killing Han wasn't poorly shoehorned into the series. Dom and the gang going after the Yakuza in Tokyo would have been a helluva movie (and yeah, I know, the beef was squashed with them in Tokyo Drift but it could have worked somehow).

But at this point honestly it does nothing to complain about Fast and Furious movies now because they're supposed to be ridiculous now. I'm STILL gonna give Universal all my moneys t:

 

[DarkKnight88]

I can't get past the horrible acting and dialogue in Tokyo Drift. There's some interesting things in it but it just doesn't come together in the end. It'll always be the black sheep of the franchise. I see it as Justin Lin's minor league film before hitting the majors. His hitting just wasn't there yet.

 

[MadVillainy]

Thinking on it another thing I didn't really like was Statham vs Diesel.

I mean, yeah I know these movies are silly and Im 100% on board with that. However, I think they made that fight really silly in the beginning. It felt more like a Star Wars prequel fight minus the lightsabers. Dom is a street brawler not a guy who uses pieces of metal as swords...although he did almost kill someone with a wrench.

They should've made it more like the other fights, primarily hand to hand

I can't get past the horrible acting and dialogue in Tokyo Drift. There's some interesting things in it but it just doesn't come together in the end. It'll always be the black sheep of the franchise. I see it as Justin Lin's minor league film before hitting the majors. His hitting just wasn't there yet.

Wow I didn't even remember that Lin directed Tokyo Drift

One weekend Im going to marathon this whole series. It's crazy how it evolved. Almost unparalleled.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Fast Five single handily saved the Fast and Furious franchise.

 

[MadVillainy]

Fast Five single handily saved the Fast and Furious franchise as it was defintely on its last legs.

Idk I think the 4th movie really starting lifting the franchise back up and then it was Fast Five that catapulted it.

If it would've stayed on Fast & Furious level I think it would've been the same middle of the road franchise and not the juggernaut it is today.

But I guess it's a silly argument since there is no denying Fast Five's influence/status on the rest of the franchise.

The Rock wants Hobbs vs Stallone in Furious 8.

I've been wanting Stallone as Papa Toretto since Fast Five.

That would be cool. Not sure about him as Papa Toretto but he could do something.

IT's funny The Fast and Furious series became what the Expendables should've been in many ways. So it would be cool to see Stallone do something like this.

Even as the villain

Speaking of villain who should be the villain in the next one.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing a I guess "nega" version of the team. LIke evil counterparts to Dom, Roman, Letty, Tej, etc.

 

[nightwing06]

FURIOUS 7

This series of films have always been fun ,action packed and highly entertaining,and F7 has all of the above.Even
though i found Furious 7 lacking in some spots,i liked the additions of Jason Statham,Kurt Russell and the lovely Nathalie Emmanuel.
The team faces off against a revenge seeking Deckard Shaw(Jason Statham) brother of the now comatose
Owen Shaw,plus they have to track down a device called God's Eye.
If the films continue i wonder if Russell will become the M in the series.
What a great send off for the late great Paul Walker

Scale of 1-10 a 9

 

[Kar]

I think we got the nega team in part 6 but I see what you mean. And I agree about the Dom vs Statham fight.

I really didn't like Statham as a villain, and I think its because they cast Statham. He himself is an actor that doesn't even need a character story written for him. They clearly didn't really flesh his character out. Just made him the unstoppable badass Jason Statham is used to playing. He would just pop up and do all these things in the movie that left you like "how the ****?" but then you answer your own question with "...cause its Jason Statham". And I didn't like what they did with him at the end. It kinda defeats the whole purpose of the movie. It was to

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kill Shaw for killing Han, not turn him in.

Also, am I the only that felt like Han's death wasn't as--I dunno, focused on? It was like "Han's dead, we'll get the guy" but there wasn't anymore emotion after that revolving him. Maybe it was just me, but I almost forgot they were avenging Han halfway towards the end of the film and I thought they were just working for Hobbs again.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think we got the nega team in part 6 but I see what you mean. And I agree about the Dom vs Statham fight. .

Wow actually youre kinda of right. I didn't even think of that

 

[Lord]

I also felt that way, after the funeral, it doesn't seem like they even remembered they were avenging Han, it actualy felt more like Vin was trying to defeat Shaw due to them all being targeted.

 

[JaD]

Also, am I the only that felt like Han's death wasn't as--I dunno, focused on? It was like "Han's dead, we'll get the guy" but there wasn't anymore emotion after that revolving him. Maybe it was just me, but I almost forgot they were avenging Han halfway towards the end of the film and I thought they were just working for Hobbs again.

I also felt that way, after the funeral, it doesn't seem like they even remembered they were avenging Han, it actualy felt more like Vin was trying to defeat Shaw due to them all being targeted.

Wow, that actually was so true. Thinking about it now, this movie wasn't about avenging Han, it was more about Dom having beef with Shaw for him nearly killing his family at his house.

Granted, I'm not expecting the crew to all join hands in the center and yell "Han!". But correct me if I'm wrong, I don't even remember Dom confronting Shaw and mentioning Han's name to him?

 

[Tony Stark]

OK, it wasn't as good as the last 3 films, but let's be realistic, this film was only partially done when Paul died and since that point over a year and a half ago it became a tribute project for Paul Walker and from that standpoint, I loved this film, and what a great ending.

Yes the criticisms everyone is saying are valid, and as someone once said it would be curious to know how this film would have been if Paul had lived.

I think that's why Statham's character [blackout] is put in maximum security and wasn't killed off[/blackout]. They want to make another film where they can concentrate on him as the bad guy.

As a furious film this might get a 7/10 for me, but for the Paul Walker sendoff, I'll give it a 9/10.

 

[Kar]

God I hope they don't bring Statham back. He really was not that interesting of a villain, and this is coming from a franchise that has rehashed the Hispanic crime boss archetype several times.

 

[Tony Stark]

God I hope they don't bring Statham back. He really was not that interesting of a villain, and this is coming from a franchise that has rehashed the Hispanic crime boss archetype several times.

That's sort of my point. I think they probably planned on having a bigger role for him, but I have a feeling everything went out the window when Walker passed. They were in the middle of production and had to shut everything down for weeks. I think that drastically changed how this film was.

But I agree with you, for the setup from the last film, Statham was a letdown.

 

[MadVillainy]

That's sort of my point. I think they probably planned on having a bigger role for him, but I have a feeling everything went out the window when Walker passed. They were in the middle of production and had to shut everything down for weeks. I think that drastically changed how this film was.

But I agree with you, for the setup from the last film, Statham was a letdown.

He wasn't bad but yeah he could've been used better. I still think both of the Shaw brothers will return.

He just kinda dipped in, f***ed stuff up, and then dipped and out when it pleased him. Like when they were in,was it Dubai or Abu Dhabi I forget, he didn't really need to show up there

You know what he actually reminds me a lot of? The Winter Soldier. I liked Winter Soldier and I think he did what Shaw did a bit better

 

[Verbal21]

That's sort of my point. I think they probably planned on having a bigger role for him, but I have a feeling everything went out the window when Walker passed. They were in the middle of production and had to shut everything down for weeks. I think that drastically changed how this film was.

But I agree with you, for the setup from the last film, Statham was a letdown.

After you mentioned that, I just realized there were never any scenes with Walker and Statham together. Penthouse/Hypercar scene doesn't count.

 

[MadVillainy]

I heard a rumor that this one was really supposed to be Walker's story, like after Fast 4 it kinda moved into more Dom/an ensemble but this one was supposed to put the focus back on Brian.
Anybody know if there was any truth to this?