FF 2 Rate and Review Thread

[Savage]

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on the Galactus bit. You think the tease was good, I think it was stupid; fair enough.

Now the Surfer...

Stealing his powers from him isn't a bad idea, but it's the way they did it. It was too easy; this is the freakin' Silver Surfer for crying out loud.

What Texas said is right (as funny as it was. t. It's even worse in the comic. The thing is this made the most sense. Removing him from his power source as opposed to a giant vacume that sucked the power out of him. It presents something tangible. A goal. Knock the Surfer off of this and make him powerless. Get Doom to lose control of this and we can defeat him. I'd have liked to see them approach Doom with the full power of the Surfer and no way of stopping him. This is just a small change for me. Surfer is still just as powerful as ever. He can still call his board to him if he loses it (apparantly). He's still the Silver Surfer. He was not spouting out corny dialogue or playing Marco Polo with Johnny Storm (and even then I liked Doom anyway but that's something else entirely).

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You got the shape of his head in the cloud on friggin fire when the Surfer encounters him and you have Tim Story himself on commentary saying that the character is being saved for the people working on the Silver Surfer movie. It'd have been too much work for a character with a grand total of...I'm guessing maybe a minute and a half of screen time. Even that's pushing it. Galactus was supposed to be a teaser and just having the Surfer fly off into space would have been a lame ending anyway so I understand throwing in the Galactus threat. You guys may say if they're not going to do him right then don't do him at all well...technically they DIDN'T do the character at all. They stuck him behind a curtain and still managed to make him a threat. Kudos to them on that accomplishment I say. I know it must have been difficult. There was enough to tease us that there is a machine and a living thing behind the cloud and that only the Human Torch and the Silver Surfer paid witness to it. Pretty cool teaser if you ask me.

Oh and I didn't know making his surfboard his source of power was making a mockery of the character. They only did it so that there'd be a weakness or something tangible to steal his power from him. See? I can make excuses for character changes too. (far less for actually merging two into one which is a far worse offense no matter how well it worked)

It was an idiotic decision to make the board his power source IMO, and it almost ruins the movie for me.

IMo it severly limits the character, what happen if someone like Thanos or even The Thing knocks him off of his board? One punch from either without his board and he is knocked clean out or possibly killed, ridiculous.

 

[Savage]

I don't think they meant he has to literally be knocked off the board to lose his power. Just sever his connection to it. I'm sure he can come and go off of the board as he pleases but he always maintains that connection. His connection was severed and he slides right off of it. Before he could even get it back, Doom zaps him. Now they may have literally meant he needed to be standing on the board for it to work or they could have meant his connection to the board itself had to be severed. What I do know is that it's clear not anybody can just step on the board and get powers. Doom had to build a device to connect with it. Sever that connection with the board and sever that connection with Galactus.

Besides, I like it more than "*Zap!* You don't have any powers now." What's to keep him from just getting it back? In fact how would Doom be able to obtain it if all they did was shut off the connection? The power had to be tangible.

 

[DoomRulz]

Uhm, have you ever read the original Fantastic Four comic when Doom stole SS powers ? Doom basically came up behind the SS along with two henchmen and attached a clamp to SS and absorbed his power !

No I haven't.

 

[TKing]

It was an idiotic decision to make the board his power source IMO, and it almost ruins the movie for me.

I'm wondering, if Galactus was the source of his power, how would the FF have been able to disable the Surfer?

 

[DoomRulz]

I'm wondering, if Galactus was the source of his power, how would the FF have been able to disable the Surfer?

Well Galactus is the source of the Surfer's power. He just operates on his own.

 

[Spade]

The board issue is from the superior Silver Surfer cartoon, not just something they made up in here. Galactus just acts as the one who gave the Surfer his powers. He never gave him the same order of magnitude as his own. The Surfer's first rebellion in the comics clearly shows that he can work independently of Galactus if need be.

That still doesn't explain how a cloud imbued him with powers and a mission in this film, but then we'd just get ourselves into another "well, Galactus in the cloud with all that machinery" debacle again.

 

[Savage]

I don't get why there's any debacle about it in the first place when it's a known fact.

 

[Manic]

I thought the military put the board in that chamber because it scrambled the signal, and prevented the Surfer from summoning it.

 

[Savage]

That's what I figured. Otherwise I guess he could have just summoned it through a wall.

 

[TKing]

Well Galactus is the source of the Surfer's power. He just operates on his own.

Did the FF ever separate the Surfer from his board in the comics? If so, was it a plausible method for the film?

 

[Savage]

He's seperated all the time. Hell, it's even been destroyed. He uses it like a projectile weapon sometimes. All he has to do is make a new one in like 6 seconds.

 

[TKing]

Oh, I wasn't aware he could make a new one.

Still, having the board as the source of the Surfer's power works for the film - and that's what the writers went with.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think they meant he has to literally be knocked off the board to lose his power. Just sever his connection to it. I'm sure he can come and go off of the board as he pleases but he always maintains that connection. His connection was severed and he slides right off of it. Before he could even get it back, Doom zaps him. Now they may have literally meant he needed to be standing on the board for it to work or they could have meant his connection to the board itself had to be severed. What I do know is that it's clear not anybody can just step on the board and get powers. Doom had to build a device to connect with it. Sever that connection with the board and sever that connection with Galactus.

Besides, I like it more than "*Zap!* You don't have any powers now." What's to keep him from just getting it back? In fact how would Doom be able to obtain it if all they did was shut off the connection? The power had to be tangible.

No this is wrong, judging from both the forest scene and the scene after credits were he is floating in space, as soon as he is seperated from his board his loses power.

Wehn he is floating in space after dealing with Galactus, he is seperated from his board and he is not Silver, he is the colour he was during captivity. Which means, as soon as he steps off his board, he becomes severly weakened.

I'm wondering, if Galactus was the source of his power, how would the FF have been able to disable the Surfer?

They are film-makers! It would be pretty easy to have Reed come up with a machine that severs the Surfer's contact/connection with Galactus, therefore making him powerless. They could even use the sme machine they in the movie, rather than having it seperate the Surfer from board, it just severs his connection to the power cosmic. The board could have still been the beacon.

 

[TKing]

They are film-makers! It would be pretty easy to have Reed come up with a machine that severs the Surfer's contact/connection with Galactus, therefore making him powerless. They could even use the sme machine they in the movie, rather than having it seperate the Surfer from board, it just severs his connection to the power cosmic. The board could have still been the beacon.

But at that point (in the forest), no one was aware of Galactus.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But at that point (in the forest), no one was aware of Galactus.

Then change it, or have a seen were Reed/Victor explains that the Surfers powers actually come from another, more powerful source. For one that would create tension about who/what was going to follow the Surfer to earth wouldnt it?

 

[TKing]

Actually yeah, it could be a very dramatic scene. The film definitely had wasted potential.

 

[Malus]

That still doesn't explain how a cloud imbued him with powers and a mission in this film, but then we'd just get ourselves into another "well, Galactus in the cloud with all that machinery" debacle again.

The debate over whether Galactus is or is not inside that storm (It's never been accurate for us to call it "a cloud") is no longer a debate. We've all seen the fiery outline of the Big G by now (all 1.25 seconds of it) and both Tim Story and screenwriter Don Payne have said there is more to Galactus than what we saw.
So "a cloud" didn't imdue Norrin Radd with anything.
While the movie did a poor job indicating the presence inside the storm, we can nevertheless assume that the more traditional Galactus was in there.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Actually yeah, it could be a very dramatic scene. The film definitely had wasted potential.

Agreed, it was still enjoyable, but if I can come up with scenario's that are sound better than what we got, imagine what someone else in Hollywood could have come up with?

Thats why i look forward to SS more than FF3, because someone else will be taking the reigns.

The debate over whether Galactus is or is not inside that storm (It's never been accurate for us to call it "a cloud") is no longer a debate. We've all seen the fiery outline of the Big G by now (all 1.25 seconds of it) and both Tim Story and screenwriter Don Payne have said there is more to Galactus than what we saw.
So "a cloud" didn't imdue Norrin Radd with anything.
While the movie did a poor job indicating the presence inside the storm, we can nevertheless assume that the more traditional Galactus was in there.

Does anyone hear Galactus laugh just before the Surfer sends him packing/destroys him?

 

[Savage]

No this is wrong, judging from both the forest scene and the scene after credits were he is floating in space, as soon as he is seperated from his board his loses power.

Wehn he is floating in space after dealing with Galactus, he is seperated from his board and he is not Silver, he is the colour he was during captivity. Which means, as soon as he steps off his board, he becomes severly weakened.

Forest scene-zapped and connection is lost.

Bringing Sue back to life-Still standing ON the board and tarnishes just using his power to bring her back to life. Takes a lot of power apparantly.

Defeating Galactus/Floating in space-Uses even MORE power to defeat Galactus, hence the full blown tarnish.

Yeah, I think it can be easily explained that it's the connection to the board that he needs and not necessarily standing on it. I mean clearly he still has power of his own as shown by his little teletubby power.

 

[Kelly]

Forest scene-zapped and connection is lost.

Bringing Sue back to life-Still standing ON the board and tarnishes just using his power to bring her back to life. Takes a lot of power apparantly.

Defeating Galactus/Floating in space-Uses even MORE power to defeat Galactus, hence the full blown tarnish.

Yeah, I think it can be easily explained that it's the connection to the board that he needs and not necessarily standing on it. I mean clearly he still has power of his own as shown by his little teletubby power.

I didn't like the "teletubby" power thing....I would have rather he had a mental connection with Sue and we see what she is thinking in her mind....rather than the stomach thing.....kinda weird...

 

[Savage]

Yeah, not to mention a little gross lookin'. >_0

 

[fantastic fifth]

"teletubby" power thing
LOL!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Forest scene-zapped and connection is lost.

Bringing Sue back to life-Still standing ON the board and tarnishes just using his power to bring her back to life. Takes a lot of power apparantly.

Defeating Galactus/Floating in space-Uses even MORE power to defeat Galactus, hence the full blown tarnish.

Yeah, I think it can be easily explained that it's the connection to the board that he needs and not necessarily standing on it. I mean clearly he still has power of his own as shown by his little teletubby power.

Yeah, he has so much power he is knocked out by a Doom bolt that didnt even manage to knock Sue, Johnny or Reed out in the first movie, not to mention General Hager survived one with little ill effect. Come on, it severly reduces his power.

As for all the others, sorry i gotta disagree, they could have explained easily that getting his board back re-connects him to Galactus and therfore gives him back his power.

 

[Savage]

You dissagree that his connection to Galactus was lost in the forest, that using his power to bring Sue back to life tarnished him even WHILE standing on the board, and that teleporting Galactus took immense power? I'm sorry but those are pretty much facts and are in the movie.

My point about him having power on his own was that it is possible for him to operate independently of the board as long as he still has that connection. Yes he was stopped by Doom but his connection was severed. Not enough power. Reed's device did not pull him off of the board. When he lost his connection he was still standing on it and slid right through it. My guess is that this is what would happen to anyone who tried to stand on the board but had no connection to it. This is why Doom needed to turn on the device on his arm before getting onto the board and having it actually merge with him. If he didn't press that button, nothing would have happened.