Days of Future Past First Class Sequel - July 18, 2014 - Part 1

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[Whiskey Tango]

Personally, I'm not saying Fox is "hurt" in any way. I'm just saying it was a ****** move on WB's part. Because it was...

You seriously need to get past the silly idea that this is some kind of personal vendetta, or anything but a calculated business decision.

Would *you* ignore all your market research, choose a lesser date and throw away millions and millions of potential dollars just because you were afraid of hurting a rival studios feelings by scheduling your movie on the same day as theirs?

This isn't Candyland and both studios are old hands at it. It's how the system works.

 

[JP]

I never said anything about personal vendetta. I said it was a dick move. Because it was a dick move.

And sorry, this is the third film in a highly anticipated prequel to a billion dollar franchise. They could have had any release date and made the same money.

 

[YoungPrime]

Sounds to me like you don't even care how good any of the future X-Men films can be. So long as it's not MARVEL'S X-MEN you wont like it, no matter how good it is.

Take whatever X-men script, director and cast that Fox has now in production and sell it to Marvel and I guarantee you that Marvel/Disney would only embellish on it.

I strongly feel that Fox at this point is holding back the X-men's potential.

Take Apocalypto for instance....

Great film, which should've done triple its box office when it released...

But Mel Gibson's actions ruined it. But if it was "Tom Hanks Presents....."

Long story short Fox is the "Mel Gibson" of comic book films.

 

[mclay18]

I don't see anything wrong if Fox pushes DoFP to early November or mid December 2014. In addition to having more time to film and edit, it could seriously clean up with little to no competition in the weeks following.

Considering how Thor 2 will be the first Marvel film to do a fall release, might as well take a "wait and see" approach.

 

[X-Maniac]

You seriously need to get past the silly idea that this is some kind of personal vendetta, or anything but a calculated business decision.

Would *you* ignore all your market research, choose a lesser date and throw away millions and millions of potential dollars just because you were afraid of hurting a rival studios feelings by scheduling your movie on the same day as theirs?

This isn't Candyland and both studios are old hands at it. It's how the system works.

The problem is that things like this lead to feuds and decisions made out of spite. It's not a healthy way to operate a business.

 

[X-Maniac]

You seriously need to get past the silly idea that this is some kind of personal vendetta, or anything but a calculated business decision.

Would *you* ignore all your market research, choose a lesser date and throw away millions and millions of potential dollars just because you were afraid of hurting a rival studios feelings by scheduling your movie on the same day as theirs?

This isn't Candyland and both studios are old hands at it. It's how the system works.

Why would they be throwing away millions considering this is the third film in the Hobbit series, with two previous Hobbit movies releasing in winter and three previous LoTR films proven to be massive moneyspinners in winter release slots.

This has nothing to do with that.

 

[X-Maniac]

I never said anything about personal vendetta. I said it was a dick move. Because it was a dick move.

And sorry, this is the third film in a highly anticipated prequel to a billion dollar franchise. They could have had any release date and made the same money.

If there is a silver lining, it will ensure Fox steps up its game.

Prior to The Dark Knight, only the Spider-Man movies were massive moneyspinners.

 

[YoungPrime]

Why would they be throwing away millions considering this is the third film in the Hobbit series, with two previous Hobbit movies releasing in winter and three previous LoTR films proven to be massive moneyspinners in winter release slots.

This has nothing to do with that.

Why not make what appears to be their very last installation of this franchise a Summer Blockbuster release?

Sorry if that ruins your plans but I'm all for it.

 

[JP]

Why not make what appears to be their very last installation of this franchise a Summer Blockbuster release?

Sorry if that ruins your plans but I'm all for it.

Because it's not why not. It's more like oh crap, we don't have Summer tent pole for 2014.. Oh, I know, lets make a 3rd Hobbit film and stick it there!

 

[danoyse]

Oh boy, do we have a lot of immaturity going on in this thread.

-Quit the petty sniping and name-calling at each other. If you can't agree to disagree without acting like a bunch of 4-year-olds, take a break. If it continues, the infractions will start going out.

-If you truly don't wish to see this movie, don't. Also, please do not continue to parade around this forum about your refusal to see a movie that everyone else here clearly does. That's not an "opinion", that's "trolling", and if it continues, the infractions will start going out.

Let's act like the grownups we all claim to be, people.

 

[JP]

Oh, Danny. I'm sorry I make your job so hard.

 

[YoungPrime]

Because it's not why not. It's more like oh crap, we don't have Summer tent pole for 2014.. Oh, I know, lets make a 3rd Hobbit film and stick it there!

That's possible but what if it's still a great film never the less....?

 

[JP]

Then good for Jackson.

 

[X-Maniac]

That's possible but what if it's still a great film never the less....?

This isn't about whether the Hobbit is a great film or not (though I could very easily start a lot of anti-WB, anti-Hobbit campaigning if i felt like it).

It's about the decision to release it on that exact weekend.

And what if X-Men: Days of Future Past is a great film?

 

[YoungPrime]

This isn't about whether the Hobbit is a great film or not
And what if X-Men: Days of Future Past is a great film?

Due to certain scrutiny, I really don't know how to respond to this....

It's about the decision to release it on that exact weekend.

Hey, it's a free country. Besides there's no bleeding hearts for the other alternative films that tend to release on or around mega movies. So fair is fair I guess.

 

[JP]

Hey, it's a free country. Besides there's no bleeding hearts for the other alternative films that tend to release on or around mega movies. So fair is fair I guess.

Like?

 

[YoungPrime]

Like?

Exactly...no one seems to care.

 

[JP]

I keep asking this question, and no one seems to have a decent answer.

 

[X-Maniac]

Due to certain scrutiny, I really don't know how to respond to this....

Well, unless something goes wrong the Hobbit films will probably be well made and well received (though I'd have been interested to see what Guillermo del Toro would have added into the mix.

And X-Men: Days of Future Past may well be a great film.

No doubt you've already made up your mind it won't satisfy you in any way, and that no X-Men film will unless Marvel is doing it.

The thing is, I doubt Fox will let go of the X-Men rights. I'm not defending every aspect of every X-Men film but it does seem likely Fox will carry on doing them, and I hope the studio really does maximise the potential of the property. If you've given up hope, then thrashing around wildly in here isn't going to achieve much to be honest. Better to focus on the things you do like. Seems such a waste of energy otherwise. No one has shifted position since you arrived here.

Hey, it's a free country. Besides there's no bleeding hearts for the other alternative films that tend to release on or around mega movies. So fair is fair I guess.

It seemed like a dirty move, that's why people are disgruntled. WB already lured Singer away from X3 and then stopped him directing First Class, there clearly isn't much love there between the two studios, as far as I can see.

 

[Duran Man]

Assuming that WB is doing this to stick it to Bryan Singer, what did he do to WB that is making them do this?

 

[X-Maniac]

Assuming that WB is doing this to stick it to Bryan Singer, what did he do to WB that is making them do this?

I don't think it's against Singer (they hired him for Superman Returns and he recently finished Jack the Giant Killer for them), it's against Fox. The two studios have had their battles - remember all that stuff over Fox trying to block the release of Watchmen?

But whether this move is specifically a nasty move against Fox, we don't know. We're just gossiping on here! It may be that WB decided they want that weekend and knew full well that the Hobbit would push X-Men out of the way. A brutal business decision rather than execs cackling with evil glee.

It's a competitive marketplace (for all businesses), but things in Hollywood seem a bit more hostile than with other industries.

 

[YoungPrime]

Well, unless something goes wrong the Hobbit films will probably be well made and well received (though I'd have been interested to see what Guillermo del Toro would have added into the mix.

And X-Men: Days of Future Past may well be a great film.

No doubt you've already made up your mind it won't satisfy you in any way, and that no X-Men film will unless Marvel is doing it.

The thing is, I doubt Fox will let go of the X-Men rights. I'm not defending every aspect of every X-Men film but it does seem likely Fox will carry on doing them, and I hope the studio really does maximise the potential of the property. If you've given up hope, then thrashing around wildly in here isn't going to achieve much to be honest. Better to focus on the things you do like. Seems such a waste of energy otherwise. No one has shifted position since you arrived here.

I'm obviously not allowed to comment any further on that specially so why even bring this up? You guys win.....

It seemed like a dirty move, that's why people are disgruntled. WB already lured Singer away from X3 and then stopped him directing First Class, there clearly isn't much love there between the two studios, as far as I can see.

Hmmm.....this could get very interesting.

Assuming that WB is doing this to stick it to Bryan Singer, what did he do to WB that is making them do this?

I'm more interested in who could benefit from this once the dust has settled.

 

[mclay18]

I keep asking this question, and no one seems to have a decent answer.

In 2007, Paramount and Dreamworks released Transformers on July 3rd, only eight days before HP5 came out. It did boffo business despite the competition, and had only mild drops in its first couple of weekends.

So, if Fox just pushed up DoFP a week, it'll do fine. If they move it to a fall spot, it'll do even better with lack of competition. It has roughly three weeks to itself before the HG sequel strikes.

Whereas in summer 2014, it doesn't have much room to itself.

 

[marvelrobbins]

September Is just as bad as june.It will send signal X-Men can't compete In Summer.
In November the third part of hungar game series may be coming November 2014.

Fox should eather

a:Move X-Men to may and move Dawn of the planet of the apes to august
B:Move X-Men back 1 or 2 weeks after The Hobbit

Fox should Ignore Guardians of the galaxy.That film doesn't even have a director yet.
And X-Men or apes are more well known then them.Plus Disney may push GOTG
to November or December.