Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 1

[Whiskey Tango]

Youtubes post sounds like the early days of Fant4stic all over again.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Youtubes post sounds like the early days of Fant4stic all over again.

Exactly.

I was one of those, "there is nothing going on with Fantastic Four and you guys are nothing but a bunch of Marvel Zombies" people, until I gained some commonsense in November/December. A lot of people knew it was a cluster**** from the beginning, SPIDEY was late to the party.

No I'm not writing the film off yet but that Fantastic Four song and dance damn well won't fly this time Fox fanboys. If I start hearing more and more crap about this production then I will not hesitate to discuss and assume that the film will be another Fantastic Four. Meaning a universally reviled film. And that has nothing to do with the studio, I'll do that with any film with horrible behind the scenes problems no matter which studio it comes from.

 

[Zarex]

Even if FOX manages to work out their directorial, script and budget issues, the end result is a "Gambit" movie. I'm not convinced the end result will be worth all of the strife.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Exactly.

I was one of those, "there is nothing going on with Fantastic Four and you guys are nothing but a bunch of Marvel Zombies" people, until I gained some commonsense in November/December. A lot of people knew it was a cluster**** from the beginning, SPIDEY was late to the party.

No I'm not writing the film off yet but that Fantastic Four song and dance damn well won't fly this time Fox fanboys. If I start hearing more and more crap about this production then I will not hesitate to discuss and assume that the film will be another Fantastic Four. Meaning a universally reviled film. And that has nothing to do with the studio, I'll do that with any film with horrible behind the scenes problems no matter which studio it comes from.

The difference between Gambit and Fantastic Four is that we had a lot more information to go on with Fantastic Four. We had statements from the likes of Kinberg, Trank, and the actors early on that clearly showed they had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

With Gambit, these production problems are cause for concern to be sure so we should be wary, but I think it is too early to completely dismiss the film like with Fantastic Four. I am still hopeful at this point that this will be more Ant-Man (which fans were also rightfully concerned about, showing that this isn't a Fox vs. Marvel issue) than Fantastic Four.

 

[Zarex]

The difference between Gambit and Fantastic Four is that we had a lot more information to go on with Fantastic Four. We had statements from the likes of Kinberg, Trank, and the actors early on that clearly showed they had absolutely no idea what they were doing.

With Gambit, these production problems are cause for concern to be sure so we should be wary, but I think it is too early to completely dismiss the film like with Fantastic Four. I am still hopeful at this point that this will be more Ant-Man (which fans were also rightfully concerned about, showing that this isn't a Fox vs. Marvel issue) than Fantastic Four.

I'd have a lot more confidence in the project if the film had an Deadpool sized budget, which likely is less than half of the $150M committed to the Tatum flick. Even if a director is found and everything is smooth sailing from here on in, "Gambit" is going to struggle to earn back its investment.

 

[marvelrobbins]

There hasn't been that much backstage trouble and keep in mind, all this "trouble" is pre-production. What you guys are amounting is the director leaving, Channing having trouble negotiating on a contract and the budget. To justify that, you all say that the movie was only made because of an interview Channing did. No, the interview Channing did gave Donner an excuse to make a film she had been wanting to do since X3 and would have done had Origins turned out well.

The budget isn't an issue. There are plenty of films out there with higher budgets than Gambit and less known stars that make more money. Take the budget out of the equation and you have two problems: Channing threatening to leave and Rupert Wyatt leaving. Of those, you can argue that Channing leaving isn't even an issue because for all we know he might not have even fully left the project because he negotiated a deal to star in the film, he was already slated to produce. Then there's Rupert Wyatt leaving, the only big issue and movies can still turn out good if the director leaves pre-production: Edgar Wright.

A big reason (not the only reason) you guys are making a fuss is because Fox is the studio funneling money into the film and not Disney. A lot of these reasons are valid, but I will say that it is a bit premature and maybe we should all wait before casting high judgements.

This is largly let's crap on Fox.When the many that i put on my ignore list from time In FF board start posting In X-Men threads when they mostly hate all X-Men films It's let's crap on X-Men now.

Directors leaving Is an X-Men tradation

X-Men the Last Stand
X-Men First Class
The Wolverine
X-Menays of Future Past

Channing Tatum was playing hardball In neogrations.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

This is largly let's crap on Fox.When the many that i put on my ignore list from time In FF board start posting In X-Men threads when they mostly hate all X-Men films It's let's crap on X-Men now.

This is the type of troll comment that has given certain Fox fans a toxic reputation.

We are X-Men fans merely having a legitimate discussion and here we have someone who just wants to insult people and start a fight.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'd have a lot more confidence in the project if the film had an Deadpool sized budget, which likely is less than half of the $150M committed to the Tatum flick. Even if a director is found and everything is smooth sailing from here on in, "Gambit" is going to struggle to earn back its investment.

The high budget mostly gives me a couple of concerns:

1. That it won't be able to make it back and Fox will get cold feet as far as making other films that I really would like to see such as X-Force. Maybe even to the point of going back to the well of making every film the Wolverine show again.

2. Since Gambit is a character that really doesn't warrant that high of a budget, I worry about what it is they are actually doing with that money. One thing would be jam-packing the movie with all sorts of other mutants that serve no purpose other than fanservice, distracting from what should be a story about Gambit. IE. The same mistake they have made in past X-Men films, such as X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

I just want this to be a success.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Oh really.plenty are coming and saying Gambit is doomed despite fact X-Men films have plenty of history of directors leaving including the most successful
X-Men film-Days of Future Past.

quite a few have nothing good to say about Fox and X-Men films.Just as I would never claim to have in politics anything good to say about Hilary Clinton or
Donald Trump those I put on my ignore list don't have anything good to say
about X-Men films.

I Imedetly knew when i heard news of Wyatt leaving on twitter there would be pile on Gambit.

 

[TeeKay]

This is largly let's crap on Fox.When the many that i put on my ignore list from time In FF board start posting In X-Men threads when they mostly hate all X-Men films It's let's crap on X-Men now.

Oh really.plenty are coming and saying Gambit is doomed despite fact X-Men films have plenty of history of directors leaving including the most successful
X-Men film-Days of Future Past.

quite a few have nothing good to say about Fox and X-Men films.Just as I would never claim to have in politics anything good to say about Hilary Clinton or
Donald Trump those I put on my ignore list don't have anything good to say
about X-Men films.

I Imedetly knew when i heard news of Wyatt leaving on twitter there would be pile on Gambit.

You're really reaching here wow.

 

[First Avenger]

But then he can crap on Marvel without problems.

 

[Majik1387]

Is the whole anti-Fox over Fant4stic b****ing posts done yet?

 

[Zarex]

Is the whole anti-Fox over Fant4stic b****ing posts done yet?

I think so. But the "Stop picking on the poor widdle multi-billion dollar media conglomerate!" posts are still showing signs of life.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think so. But the "Stop picking on the poor widdle multi-billion dollar media conglomerate!" posts are still showing signs of life.

It is interesting to see how defensive some are in light of Fox's recent missteps. Healthy skepticism of this film is warranted, although I have yet to see anyone throw in the towel on Gambit completely. We know so little about this movie, but it's worth noting that a lot of it doesn't sound good. And that's perfectly okay to point out.

 

[Majik1387]

There's no "a lot" of it.

 

[Flint Marko]

There's no "a lot" of it.

We know that the budget is astronomical, Tatum almost left the production, the director just walked out, and that it'll be incredibly difficult to turn it around and meet it's supposed release date.
Now enlighten me, what else do we know? Cause from where I'm sitting, most of the publicity about the movie since it started hasn't exactly been good. Again, I'm not saying this movie is doomed like the FF (a movie you also defended), but it's acceptable to point out these things.

 

[TeeKay]

Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[Majik1387]

The budget is not astronomical, it's a basic superhero movie budget.

Tatum did not almost leave production; That's an overreaction to an unsubstantiated rumor.

The director walked because timing of filming changed. It happens all the time.

I defended Fant4stic from ridiculous complaints. I'd say I stopped about halfway through its production if not sooner from defending it. I do think there were good things in the movie, but yes, it's a colossal failure in many respects.

 

[Flint Marko]

The budget is not astronomical, it's a basic superhero movie budget.

Tatum did not almost leave production; That's an overreaction to an unsubstantiated rumor.

The director walked because timing of filming changed. It happens all the time.

I defended Fant4stic from ridiculous complaints. I'd say I stopped about halfway through its production if not sooner from defending it. I do think there were good things in the movie, but yes, it's a colossal failure in many respects.

If the budget is close to $150 million then that is too much. I know you're the same guy who told everyone to stop talking about that because it "isn't our business how Fox spends this money" or whatever that means, but it isn't a good sign whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Tatum leaving is just that, a rumor, but how did all of those rumors work out for FFINO? Also how many times were we told that "production issues happen all of the time" for FFINO?
I asked you to tell me what good things we've heard about the film to combat these rumors and I'm still waiting.
And let me again say that I don't think Gambit is doomed, it's just off to a rocky start.

 

[X-Maniac]

I do think they should try to make it for a lower budget... but I/we don't know what they have in mind with the current budget.

Also, do we know the actual budget? I doubt it. Budgets reported by blog/news sites are often guesstimates. I doubt Fox is being profligate, considering the F4 debacle...

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Youtubes post sounds like the early days of Fant4stic all over again.

Does it really? Because I pretty much told you guys that you were overreacting about everything but the director leaving. I mean I agree with all of you, that the budget is too high (it should be more like Inside Man) and that there is definitely some trouble backstage. However, just because we have access to more information now, doesn't mean we're experts and somebody should really tell Gonzales that.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

Where there's fish, there's water.

Where there's bears, there's berries.

Where there's children, there's society.

Ah I love it when we philosophical.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The budget is not astronomical, it's a basic superhero movie budget.

Tatum did not almost leave production; That's an overreaction to an unsubstantiated rumor.

The director walked because timing of filming changed. It happens all the time.

I defended Fant4stic from ridiculous complaints. I'd say I stopped about halfway through its production if not sooner from defending it. I do think there were good things in the movie, but yes, it's a colossal failure in many respects.

FF has nothing to do with Gambit.

An Incomptent director-Josh Trank Isn't doing It.Rupert Wyatt left film just as what happened with Last Stand,First Class,the wolverine,and DOFP.3 out of those 4 films turned out good.

Simon Kinberg is only a producer on Gambit.That's a major plus.

Hopeful we aren't entering time where X boards turn as toxic as FF.

 

[TeeKay]

I wouldn't be surprised if this project was scrapped off altogether. A lot of red flags are present here. This are more or less the same problems we were hearing about FF. I'm all for optimism but let's be real here, something is definitely off about this project.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

With Fantastic Four, Fox had to crap out something, anything or else they would lose the rights.

That's not the case with Gambit. This is actually a film they want to make (unlike FF), so I do think they will put more effort into it. They will at least try to make a good film. That's a big difference between the two films.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

This is the type of troll comment that has given certain Fox fans a toxic reputation.

We are X-Men fans merely having a legitimate discussion and here we have someone who just wants to insult people and start a fight.

It's the only sort of post that guy is capable of.