Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 3

[cyborg ninja 14]

lol i dont think you know good actors

she is one of the best in the show imo

i guess showing boobs takes real talent tho

She's had some great moments (her last scene with viserys for example was probably her finest acting so far), but her bad moments stand out as realllly bad to me, but I fault part of it with the writing. Some of her lines have been awkward

"The next time you put your hands on me you won't have hands"

That's just a crappy line, but she opens her mouth REALLLY WIDE to say it some might call that overacting. I don't know if that means she's trying too hard to sound super serious or what. But hey, if she's hot you can forgive the acting, right?

Theon had a couple of moments in episode 2 where like Dany, I felt he was trying too hard.

She's nowhere one of the worst to me. This was, like the first job she got after graduating drama college and considering the stuff her character has to put and go through, I'd say she's doing a damn fine job but then again, acting is an art and a subject to each individual's interpretation.

I'm glad I have you to tell me that acting is subjective. Great talk, should schedule it again soon.

And speaking of acting, I'm sure everyone thinks Peter Dinklage's accent is perfect, when it reality it's kind of terrible. But since Dinklage has charisma, and his character is quite fantastic, we can ignore that, yes?

I don't think any of the cast is terrible

Well I'm not a fan of your cast

 

[Sawyer]

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Not bothering with a counterargument = riveting discussion

 

[Sawyer]

indeed

 

[Primal Slayer]

There's two more books in left to come out in this series right? And Dany isnt even in Westeros yet right? Hopefully that happens by the time the next book comes out.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

indeed

No it just means that there's a groupthink in that "everyone does just as good a job as the next person, don't hate" when that's probably not true. Dinklage is great, because he plays the character you root for while facing incredible odds, but I feel he overshadows Jack Gleeson (Joffrey) a bit, who does a fantastic job at playing the villain you love to hate, and that he's a young actor pulling it off.

 

[Crockett]

There's two more books in left to come out in this series right? And Dany isnt even in Westeros yet right? Hopefully that happens by the time the next book comes out.

Spoiler

Yes, that's true, which does bother me a bit. The fourth and the fifth books didn't advance the plot so much since it's more character-focused but I'd like to think of it as a chess piece getting ready for a checkmate, which will be the last two books, hopefully.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah, she really doesn't have much to do this season besides being in Qarth but [BLACKOUT]The House of the Undying[/BLACKOUT] part is something I look forward to.

I wonder if they've cast [BLACKOUT] Rhaegar[/BLACKOUT] ?

 

[Crockett]

I wonder if they've cast [BLACKOUT] Rhaegar[/BLACKOUT] ?

Spoiler

Not a clue, I'm hoping that it's a secret, a thought I don't want to think is the possibility that it's removed, which would be crazy.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah I cant even wrap my head around how they could possible move forward without that scene, its pretty vital to Dany's story, possibly [BLACKOUT] Jon's[/BLACKOUT] so yeah hopefully they'll keep it.

 

[DACrowe]

Spoiler

Yes, that's true, which does bother me a bit. The fourth and the fifth books didn't advance the plot so much since it's more character-focused but I'd like to think of it as a chess piece getting ready for a checkmate, which will be the last two books, hopefully.

Indeed. But [blackout]I really won't blame the show for speeding up things in the fourth and fifth book to get through those storylines quickly, as well as spicing them up more. Because two seasons of watching the chess board be reset (which is essentially what both books are until their final 100 pages) is not going to be very riveting television.[/blackout]

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yeah, she really doesn't have much to do this season besides being in Qarth but [BLACKOUT]The House of the Undying[/BLACKOUT] part is something I look forward to.

They'll need someone like Cronenberg or Lynch to do that scene, at least it felt like something out a trippy psychological horror

 

[Roose Bolton]

Have Peter Dinklage start dancing and talking in reverse

 

[Crockett]

Indeed. But [blackout]I really won't blame the show for speeding up things in the fourth and fifth book to get through those storylines quickly, as well as spicing them up more. Because two seasons of watching the chess board be reset (which is essentially what both books are until their final 100 pages) is not going to be very riveting television.[/blackout]

Spoiler

Yep, after the third season, which will be received well hopefully, adapting AFFC and ADWD is going to be tricky, I'm a bit worried if it could sustain the viewers' attention. I think Weiss and Benioff will go with weaving the storylines in both books into one season, perhaps that's the way to go. Hopefully they'll find a solution, I'm just wondering if whether or not GRRM has published the sixth book by the time they catch up to ADWD.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Hopefully we will have published the sixth book by then since it would a bit ridiculous now when the show is this huge not to have it out by the time they get to the 5th book (I know it took forever for most of the books to come out anyway but now it is a bit of a different story) or he will have to tell them what he plans on doing so they can go ahead and adapt it.

 

[Boom]

Spoiler

Petyr did deflowered Lysa though, she loved him as a child and when he was sad over Cat's rejection of him she slept with him (he was drunk and had mistaken her for Cat), she was pregnant but had to go through an abortion. For Cat though, perhaps he actually did thought he slept with her, another thought might be something to brag about to people, I don't really remember.

Spoiler

I remember that Lysa slept with Petyr, and that he mistook her for Catelyn (either because he was drunk, or because of a hallucinatory fever. I can't recall which). But where I'm getting confused is that he claims to have slept with both of them. If he thought Lysa was Catelyn at the time, wouldn't he just say that he slept with Cat? Or did he sleep with Lysa again on a separate occasion - knowing it was her this time?

 

[Crockett]

Hopefully we will have published the sixth book by then since it would a bit ridiculous now when the show is this huge not to have it out by the time they get to the 5th book (I know it took forever for most of the books to come out anyway but now it is a bit of a different story) or he will have to tell them what he plans on doing so they can go ahead and adapt it.

GRRM has at least already told Weiss & Benioff how he intended to end the series, revealing details like who's Jon's parents and the fate of the main characters.

 

[Crockett]

Spoiler

I remember that Lysa slept with Petyr, and that he mistook her for Catelyn (either because he was drunk, or because of a hallucinatory fever. I can't recall which). But where I'm getting confused is that he claims to have slept with both of them. If he thought Lysa was Catelyn at the time, wouldn't he just say that he slept with Cat? Or did he sleep with Lysa again on a separate occasion - knowing it was her this time?

Spoiler

You know, that might be the case. Perhaps he still believed he slept with Cat that time but since he did started an affair with Lysa when she married to Jon and were living in King's Landing, why didn't Lysa told him the truth? And since she was married he couldn't possibly take her maidenhead since Jon must have performed the duty already, or in that case Petyr realized he had already did. Which is why I'm leaning towards to that then it's just something he boast to people when it came to Cat but later slowy redraw that claim.

 

[Golgo-13]

God, this thread is becoming more annoying (or has it always been) than the Walking dead one.

That one was "in the comics, in the comics, in the comics"......This one is "...In the books, in the books, the book this, the books that".

 

[Marvolo]

As long as it is in spoiler tags there is nothing wrong with it. You are free to discuss anything you want to regarding the TV show. All you have to do is bring up a topic. In the meantime what's the harm in the rest of us discussing the books and their relationship to the tv show? You'd think you've never been around adaptions. Source material is always a part of any adaptations discussion.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

God, this thread is becoming more annoying (or has it always been) than the Walking dead one.

That one was "in the comics, in the comics, in the comics"......This one is "...In the books, in the books, the book this, the books that".

Derp, the price of dealing with a tv show based off popular source material.

 

[Matt]

As long as it is in spoiler tags there is nothing wrong with it. You are free to discuss anything you want to regarding the TV show. All you have to do is bring up a topic. In the meantime what's the harm in the rest of us discussing the books and their relationship to the tv show? You'd think you've never been around adaptions. Source material is always a part of any adaptations discussion.

I think that his complaint isn't so much that people are saying spoilers but more that people use the books to justify every shortcoming of the show. If someone comments on the pace, there is an almost snobbish retort about how readers of the book know what happens so the complaint is invalid. Fans of the book fail to grasp that this is an adaptation and the book does not invalidate criticism of the adaptation to the new media. I am sure that the payoff of the book is great. But the slow pace isn't fitting for television. Slow paces work in novels because the reader can control the pace. A television viewer cannot. Therefore payoff is needed.

 

[Marvolo]

I think that his complaint isn't so much that people are saying spoilers but more that people use the books to justify every shortcoming of the show. If someone comments on the pace, there is an almost snobbish retort about how readers of the book know what happens so the complaint is invalid. Fans of the book fail to grasp that this is an adaptation and the book does not invalidate criticism of the adaptation to the new media. I am sure that the payoff of the book is great. But the slow pace isn't fitting for television. Slow paces work in novels because the reader can control the pace. A television viewer cannot. Therefore payoff is needed.

Like I told you recently , we are 13 episodes into what is a planned 90 episode story. Most shows take that many episodes every season to set up a single seasons story. Look at this in context. This show is moving at a far more deliberate pace than 90% of television shows. I know it doesn't seem that way to those who want action action action all the time or want payoff weekly but the show is moving at a great pace when you look at where the show is at in its story. This is a 90 episode story that we have to watch one episode a week. Not every week is going to be as satisfying as the one that came before or the next.

And this is HBO and an adaption of a very popular series. I don't know of any adaption that gets fundamentally changed because a select few want the story to be something it isn't. It would be like Voledmort being shoehorned into Prisoner of Azkaban because the non readers expect him to show up or think its stupid he didn't. Adaptions can not veer way into left field to please those few who refuse to try to understand the material or simply can't get into the material. Some things aren't for everyone. This show is obviously not for everyone and it is arrogant to demand the show be changed to please people who refuse to get to know the material better or understand why it is how it is. I don't care if it is an ADAPTION. That doesn't mean the entire story can be retrofitted to please every single person. This show is true to it's material. The complainers can get on board or off. This is quality television and I'm toesd of people *****ing because an hour of television isn't as thrilling as a Michael Bay explosion fest every single week or move at a pace befitting a coked up squirrel.

First and foremost this show was made for the fans of GRRMs books and those who like the material. Second it was made because GRRM wanted his material brought to life and done justice. Had GRRM wanted his story drastically changed and quickened up he would have sold it to hollywood one of handful of times they came to him with an offer. If what is on screen doesn't work for everyone well such is life. I know in elementary school kids are taught everyone gets a trophy and they can all have it their way but we are not children anymore. You don't always get your way and not everything can be made to how you like it. If that makes me a snob I'll accept that criticism.

 

[Matt]

Clearly you misunderstand what people's complaints are.

 

[Marvolo]

I've read every one of yours and others complaints.

The show is "dragging", nothing is happening, the war isn't happening, too much going on, too much set up, not enough is going on, too enslaved to the material etc. What did i miss?

The show has been faithful to the books in most ways but some feel it should deviate further in substantial ways or simplify the story to make it eaiser on them. That to me is just as arrogant.