Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 4

[Jordacar]

Of course it doesn't.

The information has already been made known by Mel and there are plenty of others who talk about the prophecies in their inaccurate ways. The three heads of the dragon can come up many ways.

Also I am sure Dany will hear things and will exposition afterwords.

I'm hoping Dany goes to the House of the Undying, gets the peyote-induced info, kills everyone with magic, and puts Qarth in her rearview like a boss.

I wonder if there's any chance of a prequel movie, kinda like BSG did with "Razor" or "The Plan". Not that the show really needs it, but it'd be cool to see some of the backstory that everyone's always taking about, the Mad King being nutso, and of course Rhaegar and Robert's final showdown. GRRM could write it himself.

 

[rayc1971]

I'm hoping Dany goes to the House of the Undying, gets the peyote-induced info, kills everyone with magic, and puts Qarth in her rearview like a boss.

I wonder if there's any chance of a prequel movie, kinda like BSG did with "Razor" or "The Plan". Not that the show really needs it, but it'd be cool to see some of the backstory that everyone's always taking about, the Mad King being nutso, and of course Rhaegar and Robert's final showdown. GRRM could write it himself.

i was thinkin the same thing they could do a 2 hr prequel movie.i wouuld love to see a young robert with his war hammer kicking butt.they could just cover that period we could then see lyanna neds sister who robert loved and the mad king and john arynn.they could show it in between seasons so we dont have to wait a year to get our fill of thrones.

 

[DACrowe]

I'm not saying keep him alive forever, just don't kill him so early. We barely knew the guy. Then just as he gets real characterization... shadow abomination, death, nobody cares.

I believe that's intentional. The writers of the show wanted you to care about or at least like Renly (though there are many who don't). Then after being built up for the first four episodes, boom he gets whacked in episode 5. The actual scene wasn't done dramatically enough, IMO, but the effect is disappointment that he died. In that sense, it worked, in my opinion.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Didn't they cast an actor as Aerys last season but not use that particular scene? I remember reading reading that somewhere...

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Didn't they cast an actor as Aerys last season but not use that particular scene? I remember reading reading that somewhere...

you spose they'll do the

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wolf head on a king? it more or less gives away Robb's death if they use a wolf similar to Grey Wind. Who knows how they deal with that particular potential spoiler for non-book readers.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

I know two are Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) and Sandor Clegane (The Hound), he mentions both are stronger than him. The third is likely Barristan Selmy who is the greatest living knight in Westeros and the last true knight.

No Arthur Dayne? fabled sword of the morning?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The truth that may not be the truth?

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I personally don't buy the R+J+J because it's too obvious and I doubt GRRM would just let that be the case since most of the fanbase believes its true. I bet he'll throw a curveball at us when and if he finally reveals his true parentage.

GRRM has already said he would not change things just because the fanbase has guessed it. Considering the Tower of Joy and how the show's first season handled the issue, it has to be the truth. What else could Ned have promised to Lyanna? What else would still be relevant to the story? Why hide Jon's true mother for so long? Why does Ned and so many others think fondly of [BLACKOUT]Rhaegar if he kidnapped and raped his sister[/BLACKOUT]?

Considering the title of the series and what happened at the end of ADWD, it feels almost a certainty now. Not to mention Bran's vision and Jon's dream. Ned in front of the Weirwood and Jon clad in armor of black ice and holding a flaming red sword? Come on.

Jon at some point will visit the crypts of Winterfell and with a little help from Bloodraven and Bran will learn the truth. That he is the [BLACKOUT]AA reborn, TPTWP, the song of ice and fire[/BLACKOUT] and the son of[BLACKOUT] Lyanna and Rhaegar[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Thundercrack85]

Haven't read the books, but as someone watching the show, I felt that they made it clear that Barristan is the best swordsman. Ned Stark's scared of the guy. And just watch how everyone freaks out when he pulls his sword out in the throne room. They seem to agree that he could carve them all like a cake.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No Arthur Dayne? fabled sword of the morning?

He is dead. If he were alive? Well in his prime he was probably second only to Daemon Blackfyre. Ser Barristan is the best living warrior around. He'd slap the Hound and the Mountain around.

Right now it goes something like this.

1. Ser Barristan Selmy
2. The Kingslayer
3. Mance Rayder
4. Loras Tyrell
5. The Clegane bros.

Jaime was probably referring to Selmy and Tyrell. The other was probably the Mountain. If Drogo was still alive, he'd run the top three close.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Selmy is the man,

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when he dove in front of Drogon to protect Dany.

that takes some serious bravery, a Knight who remembers his vows.

you spose they'll do the

Spoiler

wolf head on a king? it more or less gives away Robb's death if they use a wolf similar to Grey Wind. Who knows how they deal with that particular potential spoiler for non-book readers.

Well assuming they actually do go full on with the visions I would imagine that they could pull it off, I mean they could make it really triply and off the wall so that it's vague enough not to spoil much.

 

[mr. peasant]

He is dead. If he were alive? Well in his prime he was probably second only to Daemon Blackfyre. Ser Barristan is the best living warrior around. He'd slap the Hound and the Mountain around.

Right now it goes something like this.

1. Ser Barristan Selmy
2. The Kingslayer
3. Mance Rayder
4. Loras Tyrell
5. The Clegane bros.

Jaime was probably referring to Selmy and Tyrell. The other was probably the Mountain. If Drogo was still alive, he'd run the top three close.

When he said there were only three men who could stand a chance in a fair fight, I reckon that the number was used simply because the numbers 'one' and 'three' sound best (the latter due to the rule of three). Two, four, five, etc have supposedly less 'oomph'.

But if I had to guess their identities; one must first understand its implications. As a proud man whose one skill is in fighting with a sword, anyone who he would admit could stand up against him in a fight is someone he respects and view as an equal or superior. With that in mind, I doubt he'd be referring to either of the Clegane brothers (especially Sandor who is pretty much a dog as far as Jaime's concerned). My guess is that he's referring to Selmy, Tywin and his Uncle Kevan.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When he said there were only three men who could stand a chance in a fair fight, I reckon that the number was used simply because the numbers 'one' and 'three' sound best (the latter due to the rule of three). Two, four, five, etc have supposedly less 'oomph'.

But if I had to guess their identities; one must first understand its implications. As a proud man whose one skill is in fighting with a sword, anyone who he would admit could stand up against him in a fight is someone he respects and view as an equal or superior. With that in mind, I doubt he'd be referring to either of the Clegane brothers (especially Sandor who is pretty much a dog as far as Jaime's concerned). My guess is that he's referring to Selmy, Tywin and his Uncle Kevan.

Jaime is no longer a proud man and is a realist when it comes to combat. As much as he loves to romanticizes his own status, he appreciates the skills of others. Loras is renowned by the entire realm and the Mountain feared by most. Their status isn't in question. Everyone and their mother in Westeros, including Jaime, wouldn't take Tywin or Kevan in singles combat with either of those two men.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He mentioned in the books that the Clegane's would give him trouble.
Though I think he didn't count them because they were freakishly big or something like that ?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He mentioned in the books that the Clegane's would give him trouble.
Though I think he didn't count them because they were freakishly big or something like that ?

Considering what Gregor can do with one blow, yeah.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That makes me really wonder how exactly Sandor would fair in a full on battle to the death against his brother. I mean Sandor's tough no doubt about it but as you said Gregor can kill with one punch, and he wields a freaking great sword one handed!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sandor is more skilled then Gregor, no doubt. But he lacks the advantages of say a Oberyn Martell, Mance Rayder or Jaime. He lacks the speed, cunning and elusiveness that it takes to fight his brother.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know two are Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) and Sandor Clegane (The Hound), he mentions both are stronger than him. The third is likely Barristan Selmy who is the greatest living knight in Westeros and the last true knight.

Has this character been in the show at all yet?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Has this character been in the show at all yet?

Yes. He was the LC of Robert's Kingsguard. He had more then a few scenes and was named more then once. His exit was kind of a big deal.

 

[mr. peasant]

Jaime is no longer a proud man and is a realist when it comes to combat. As much as he loves to romanticizes his own status, he appreciates the skills of others. Loras is renowned by the entire realm and the Mountain feared by most. Their status isn't in question. Everyone and their mother in Westeros, including Jaime, wouldn't take Tywin or Kevan in singles combat with either of those two men.

I'm pretty sure Jaime is a proud man. It's what Tywin chewed him out for when last they met and he hasn't really grown much as a character since. Yes, he's no longer as proud in the books due to certain recent events but in the show, he most definitely is; as seen by his continued behaviour around Robb, Catelyn and now Brienne.

I agree that he's probably a realist but that does not preclude him from pride. Being a realist means that one recognises and not underestimate a threat. However, it doesn't mean one would openly acknowledge it and tell others; least of all a complete stranger.

Has this character been in the show at all yet?

Yes. He was the LC of Robert's Kingsguard. He had more then a few scenes and was named more then once. His exit was kind of a big deal.

For a potentially more detailed description, Barristan Selmy was the old man who was the main Kingsguard shown in Season 1, who was with Robert during the hunting accident and who later Joffrey ordered to have retire. In that last scene, he drew his sword, declaring he could probably still take on the rest of the Kingsguard by himself before chucking his sword at Joffrey's feet and leaving in disgust.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jaime is not proud at this point in the show. He is basically in a state of self-loathing that he is taking out on others like Brienne. His willingness to talk about his incest says as much.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thanks for your description Darth Skywalker, but the below one made me remember him.

For a potentially more detailed description, Barristan Selmy was the old man who was the main Kingsguard shown in Season 1, who was with Robert during the hunting accident and who later Joffrey ordered to have retire. In that last scene, he drew his sword, declaring he could probably still take on the rest of the Kingsguard by himself before chucking his sword at Joffrey's feet and leaving in disgust.

Yes this makes me remember him now, shame we never got to see him in action, does he come into the story again at all?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

how did people miss him? His final scene was prominent as hell.

 

[RockSP]

There are a billion characters. Not everyone is going to remember the names of each one, from season to season...especially if they don't appear for long stretches.

 

[Buford The Sly]

does he come into the story again at all?

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Yes. As a squire to a eunich.

 

[Pink Ranger]

There are a billion characters. Not everyone is going to remember the names of each one, from season to season...especially if they don't appear for long stretches.

But you know, you would think an old graying British guy would stand out among the cast of this show.