Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 5

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But would more scene's of exposition and getting to know the characters take a huge chunk out of the budget? Its not like I want more huge battle scenes, just a chance to get to know the new characters more as I found myself really not caring for them.
"A huge chunk?" I don't know, I don't have their financials in front of me.

Would any scenes, expository or not, take some chunk of the budget? Well, yes. Extra scenes for extra episodes would make for a change in contracts of the necessary actors/actresses, one, and neither you nor I know how the contracts were written or for how long. While they could do contracts per season, they might also have done contracts for the series with the understanding of ten-episode seasons. Beyond that, we're looking at budgetary concerns for set, whether the scenes are done on-location or on green screen. We're looking at continued costume costs, costs of extras, operational expenses of production crews, their equipment, moving equipment, food, drink, etc.

Would it all amount to "a huge chunk?" I don't know. But if we assume their overall budget is not going to change - if it does, both the HBO and BBC need to decide to pay in more, and at that point their profits don't look quite as good, and I'll just point out that Rome never fared too well with 13-episode seasons and a ginormous budget to match - then these extra expenses do have to come out of somewhere. Where would you have them come from? Yes, you now have to decide what to detract from in order to prioritize something else.

The funny thing is, for all the talk that the second season is so much bigger and more complicated than the first, the source material is only about 60 pages longer in the hardcover publication. It's not significantly longer, and it's really not more complicated - there might be new characters introduced, but that should really go without saying in most things. I say it's not more complicated because we've now been introduced to the setting, the ideas, and most of the major players. By comparison, the first book and season are more mysterious because we need to discover everything the way Ned does. In the second season, sure, the most mysterious person is Melisandre, probably, but just because we don't figure her out doesn't necessarily equate to her needing more screentime. Then we have Stannis and Renly, only kind-of in the latter case, but they're just variances on ego.

Your not caring for certain characters might be nothing more than subjective in nature - you just don't care, regardless, you're very "meh" about them - or by design, from the source material. To be fair, one does not have to care for or about the characters in a story, but you usually don't see this as much with the smaller, centralized casts of typical television and film as you do in writing, regardless of "cast" size. It's a matter of sympathy vs. empathy that works in writing but does not carry over quite as well to the visual medium. We see people there, and so we want to be made to care for them, even if the idea backing them is it doesn't matter that we, or if we, care about them.

So yes, I know, the easy response here - and I'm not saying you yourself would respond this way, but it's general - is to say I have a better understanding because I've read the books. And to that point, yes, I know everything that's going to happen up to the fifth book and character motivations and who-said-what. But I have to look at the show as a different beast entirely, because it is. Stuff's going to change. It's an adaptation. The second season already proves this, given the howling-for-murder cries of so many "fans." The second season is not without faults or missteps just on a general production basis, but even with the changes and the shuffles it doesn't vary that much from the source material where the characters, and their major beats, are concerned.
 
"A huge chunk?" I don't know, I don't have their financials in front of me.

Would any scenes, expository or not, take some chunk of the budget? Well, yes. Extra scenes for extra episodes would make for a change in contracts of the necessary actors/actresses, one, and neither you nor I know how the contracts were written or for how long. While they could do contracts per season, they might also have done contracts for the series with the understanding of ten-episode seasons. Beyond that, we're looking at budgetary concerns for set, whether the scenes are done on-location or on green screen. We're looking at continued costume costs, costs of extras, operational expenses of production crews, their equipment, moving equipment, food, drink, etc.

Would it all amount to "a huge chunk?" I don't know. But if we assume their overall budget is not going to change - if it does, both the HBO and BBC need to decide to pay in more, and at that point their profits don't look quite as good, and I'll just point out that Rome never fared too well with 13-episode seasons and a ginormous budget to match - then these extra expenses do have to come out of somewhere. Where would you have them come from? Yes, you now have to decide what to detract from in order to prioritize something else.

The funny thing is, for all the talk that the second season is so much bigger and more complicated than the first, the source material is only about 60 pages longer in the hardcover publication. It's not significantly longer, and it's really not more complicated - there might be new characters introduced, but that should really go without saying in most things. I say it's not more complicated because we've now been introduced to the setting, the ideas, and most of the major players. By comparison, the first book and season are more mysterious because we need to discover everything the way Ned does. In the second season, sure, the most mysterious person is Melisandre, probably, but just because we don't figure her out doesn't necessarily equate to her needing more screentime. Then we have Stannis and Renly, only kind-of in the latter case, but they're just variances on ego.

Your not caring for certain characters might be nothing more than subjective in nature - you just don't care, regardless, you're very "meh" about them - or by design, from the source material. To be fair, one does not have to care for or about the characters in a story, but you usually don't see this as much with the smaller, centralized casts of typical television and film as you do in writing, regardless of "cast" size. It's a matter of sympathy vs. empathy that works in writing but does not carry over quite as well to the visual medium. We see people there, and so we want to be made to care for them, even if the idea backing them is it doesn't matter that we, or if we, care about them.

So yes, I know, the easy response here - and I'm not saying you yourself would respond this way, but it's general - is to say I have a better understanding because I've read the books. And to that point, yes, I know everything that's going to happen up to the fifth book and character motivations and who-said-what. But I have to look at the show as a different beast entirely, because it is. Stuff's going to change. It's an adaptation. The second season already proves this, given the howling-for-murder cries of so many "fans." The second season is not without faults or missteps just on a general production basis, but even with the changes and the shuffles it doesn't vary that much from the source material where the characters, and their major beats, are concerned.

I see your points, I do, but given the success of the show, in both ratings and DVd/BD sales, would a bit more budget for a few more scenes really effect them that much financially?
 
No idea. Like I wrote, I don't have their financials in front of me.

Rome got canceled after two seasons, twelve episodes and then ten, and that was a partnership between HBO and BBC too. Was it as popular as GoT has been? I'd say probably not. Did it do as many sales as GoT has? I'd say probably not. But it had a huge budget, and ended up not cost-effective to be continued. Deadwood was another expensive production, had 12-episode seasons, and was canceled by the end of its third season. And HBO has canceled other shows with smaller budgets.

Would they risk the backlash from canceling GoT too early? I admit, that'd be some bad press, and there's a consideration there, but that doesn't mean they don't want to make as much money as they can. A larger budget cuts into their profits, and I don't know that potential DVD/blu-ray sales factor into their profits at the time their financial statements are produced. It's difficult to speculate how much you'll make an approximate year later for the season you're green-lighting currently. I'd assume HBO looks at their current subscriber base and speculates on how many people picked them up around the time the first or second seasons began, primarily. Showtime does that, for example, with the Strikeforce mixed martial arts promotion.
 
Intriguing new Game of Thrones tidbits tease iconic book 3 scenes




A few interesting tidbits from Game of Thrones' highly anticipated third season have emerged that confirm an iconic scene from book three, the loss of a limb and the loss of an important-ish secondary character—and more. Need we say: *SPOILERS AHEAD*

]The fascinating information comes from Winteriscoming.net who confirms that filming for the third season from Game of Thrones is rolling along full speed ahead in both Croatia and Northern Ireland, while shooting in Morocco is scheduled to begin on October 13.


Again: SPOILERS AHEAD

So we've pulled three very interesting tidbits that we're sure all Game of Thrones TV fans and book readers will either be very happy with (or maybe there will be some major hair-pulling):
The most interesting report comes from two WiC sources, who confirm that Noah Taylor has been cast as Locke. The character Locke is described as filling a similar function to the mercenary leader Vargo Hoat in the A Song of Ice and Fire books, but does not have Vargo's memorable lisp. Locke will play a key role in Jaime and Brienne's story next season. The bear pit scene from the third book has been filmed. Noah Taylor was present for this, as was Nikolaj Coster-Waldau wearing a bandage-style sleeve over his lower arm to convey that Jaime's lost his hand. It appears that the removal of the sword hand occurred before the bear pit, as in the book.

One source reports that a scene has been filmed where Edmure reveals Robb's battle plans to some northern lords in order to impress them. This makes Robb and the Blackfish very angry, and they confront Edmure about it at Riverrun.
So it seems we're losing Vargo Hoat. This is a shame, because we were looking forward to the introduction of this A Storm of Swords character. The leader of the Brave Companions, Hoat was pretty memorable because of his lisp and his cruel ways.

On the other hand (pun intended here), we're really glad to see they're keeping the bear scene. It's a key book scene for the character developments of both Jaime Lannister (Nicolaj Coster-Waldau) and Brienne of Tarth (Gwendoline Christie), and we just can't wait to see how it'll pan out. What's also cool is that we have confirmation that Jaime will indeed lose his hand before that scene—another major book development.

As for Edmure (Rome's Tobias Menzies) telling on Robb's (Richard Madden) battle plans, we're not sure either if this is a new scene, or—like our colleague Ours is the Fury implies—is a misunderstanding of an incident that took place in book two A Clash of Kings where Edmure wrecks Robb's battle plans to trap the Lannister army after they crossed the river. We guess the Game of Thrones writers may have pulled that scene from book two and then adapted it for season three since neither Edmure or the Blackfish (Clive Russell) and Riverrun have appeared on the series before.

So are you guys happy that they're keeping the famous bear scene? And are you disappointed that the Thrones powers-that-be chose not to go with Vargo Hoat as the leader of the Brave Companions? And what about Edmure's big blunder?

http://blastr.com/2012/10/intriguing-new-game-of-th.php
 
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Very exciting about Jaime's hand. I thought I read earlier that the producers said this wasn't happening. Jaimie has become my favorite character since he lost his mojo.
 
Boy, can I not wait to see all the reaction vids(primarily from those who haven't read the books) on youtube after the RW hits. Ned's beheading in season 1 and the battle of blackwater in season 2 will pale in comparison I think(at least from an emotional, gut-punch sort of audience reaction).
 
I need this ****ing show to start up again. I'm aching for more Game of Thrones!!!
 
At the end of the RW it should have George R.R. Martin singing the trololo song.
 
At the end of the RW, it should have GRRM sitting his fat ass down and getting that damn sixth book out. :o
 
Saw Kit Harrington at Comic Con...He got a big cheer when they brought up Game of Thrones...he is quickly becoming popular
 
He deserves it, he's done very well on the show. :)
 
I'm tagging this tweet because of my thoughts on it. Talking about a scene from season 3 that they shot today

“@OonaCC: Today was a day I will never forget. You will never forget. #GameOfThrones”

Damnit :(
 
I bet Ann Coulter watches GOT and just thinks to herself: "Gee, I can't wait until that Joffrey Baratheon hits legal age." :o
 
Yeah I remember her from Misfits last season. Oh boy.
 
Just ordered season 1 on Netflix. Can't wait.
 
I hope nobody has spoiled the finale for you. If not, you are in for a treat.
 
Another musician joins GoT with Will Champion the drummer from Coldplay showing up in season 3.
 
I just watched episode 3 and am considering not watching anymore of this season.

The ending, for me, really made me feel physically sick and the unnecessary violence (especially against a child) really shouldn't be on screen IMO. I know the show is known for its violence and nudity and I haven't had a problem with it thus far, but though this was pushing it over the line and the scene really disturbed me, the way the boy was killed so nonchalantly and graphically was horrific.

The problem I have is that I appreciate that it was part of the plot and was necessary, but the depiction of it could've been handled more tastefully and more sensitively. It could have been done off screen for example.

I know this sounds whiney but it's really affected me in a way that an on-screen death never has before.

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lol come on man, give it a chance. This show provides a very brutal landscape of the world they live in. But its nothing compared to the book or some of these other shows on HBO/Showtime
 
I just watched episode 3 and am considering not watching anymore of this season.

The ending, for me, really made me feel physically sick and the unnecessary violence (especially against a child) really shouldn't be on screen IMO. I know the show is known for its violence and nudity and I haven't had a problem with it thus far, but though this was pushing it over the line and the scene really disturbed me, the way the boy was killed so nonchalantly and graphically was horrific.

The problem I have is that I appreciate that it was part of the plot and was necessary, but the depiction of it could've been handled more tastefully and more sensitively. It could have been done off screen for example.

I know this sounds whiney but it's really affected me in a way that an on-screen death never has before.

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The kid isn't dead, and it doesn't show anything. If I remember correctly, the camera is looking up at the kid, and when he eclipses the camera the episode ends. It doesn't show him hitting the ground or bursting like a bloody water balloon with bones jutting out. Also, this is a midieval society set in a fantasy world. Bad **** happens. Come on. If that bothered you then HBO isn't the show for you. Might wanna stick to NBC.

His fall was nothing compared to the stuff I saw on tv this past sunday. Lorie getting cut open and shot in the head by her son, T-Dawg being eaten alive, and Billie blown up. Bran's injury is practically rainbows and butterflies.
 
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You're clearly not cut out for this show. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
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