Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 8

[Doc Ock]

Hopefully ratings won't go down that much, so George R.R. Martin & co can continue the story without compromising to appease the weak-minded.

I guess I'm weak minded.

 

[MLSkinner]

I don't quite agree with the other poster that it's all dark. It's a mix of bad and good, just as before, and I think we'll all get emotional again in both directions. You can dare hope that some things will turn out as you want, and you can dread every time something bad might happen.

I think most people, like myself, just want a good mixture of both. So far it's been one-sided. The bad guys haven't suffered ONE death yet. The good guys lost Ned, Robb, Robert, Renly, Davos' son, Lord Commander, all the people at Winterfell....even Grey Wind. Give us something to cheer about.

 

[squeekness]

I was thinking they were going to have the season ending being the Red Wedding. Makes me wonder on what note this will be finishing next week.

 

[Poeman]

YT Reactions from the Red Wedding

Don't know if anybody posted this yet

Id be careful, because danoyse has the tendency to give infractions like the one given to me for posting a YT reaction video last night...

 

[Marvolo]

[BLACKOUT]I think that the purple wedding will be one of the biggest cheering moments for viewers in the show that far, despite who it gets pinned on. Jon becoming LC will also make some pretty happy. Regarding Lady Stoneheart I think it's deliberate misdirection. Michelle wasn't the only one leaving here and they can't really have filmed together much at all since King's Landing is Croatia and everything Catelyn has been in was Northern Ireland.[/BLACKOUT]

Major Book Spoilers. Please non-book viewers do not open this tag.

Spoiler

Those two events are followed by:
Shae betraying Tyrion and her death
Lannister's ruling Westeros
Westeros starving and dying of plague and sickness following the war
Tyrion's framing and imprisonment
Arya's blinding (yeah she gets her eyesight back but its still a screwed up moment)
Jon's assassination
Tyrion captured and enslaved then stuck between two warring armies with a third arriving
Sansa being held by Peter
etc.

I mean yeah there are some "hell yeah" moments to cheer, but things in Westeros are far from good, and are continually getting worse. For every good thing there are 10 bad.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I think most people, like myself, just want a good mixture of both. So far it's been one-sided. The bad guys haven't suffered ONE death yet. The good guys lost Ned, Robb, Robert, Renly, Davos' son, Lord Commander, all the people at Winterfell....even Grey Wind. Give us something to cheer about.

Well, Orell got killed by Jon Snow, even though technically he lives through his eagle. Arya had Jaquen kill the Tickler & Amory Lorch. Also, sometimes, life is more painful than death - or at least a slow death. Look at Xaro Ducksauce - he's trapped behind that vault. The Slaver got burnt by Drogon!

 

[jonathancrane]

Walder Frey was hilarious in last night's episode ("I would have broken fifty vows...") Save Ned and Arya, I was never a fan of the rest of the Stark Clan. As better posters than me have commented,

Spoiler

Robb's hubris

cost him everything. Having said that, I felt numb watching the sequence: something that had not happened since I watched Antichrist. Still, it was a brilliant decision, as it is going to have considerable consequences and serve as a standard for American television writing, methinks.

@Chamber Music: Thanks for sharing the history that inspired it.

 

[Dr. Manhatten]

I know I'm probably missing something but what was the significance of the song the band played that got Catelyn's attention? I don't remember other sections of the show where it played or what its importance was

 

[Mjölnir]

I see what you mean. Also, I'm happy that nothing turns out as I want. It feels so unpredictable, yet so right. It has consequences. I don't think the Red Wedding is just shock value, right? I'm sure it'll have crazy consequences in the North.

It certainly has consequences. You'll see more of the point of the Red Wedding next episode (me going by what's logical as I don't watch the previews).

I think most people, like myself, just want a good mixture of both. So far it's been one-sided. The bad guys haven't suffered ONE death yet. The good guys lost Ned, Robb, Robert, Renly, Davos' son, Lord Commander, all the people at Winterfell....even Grey Wind. Give us something to cheer about.

The problem is that being cunning and ruthless works more often than being kind, trusting and honorable to a fault. There's also not always very clear lines between good and bad guys.

There hasn't been any major death with a despicable character but many people hated Theon and he's getting something worse than death. Daenerys has killed a good deal of people that were against her as well.

 

[Silvermoon]

I know I'm probably missing something but what was the significance of the song the band played that got Catelyn's attention? I don't remember other sections of the show where it played or what its importance was

The story behind it was just told in the episode previous to this one (episode 8 when Cersei and Margaery are talking before Sansa's wedding to Tyrion). It's been played here and there throughout the series. Tyrion hums it a couple times in the first two seasons, it's actually sung in Season 2 in the episode 9 "Blackwater" by Bronn and some other soldiers.

Here's the A Wiki of Ice & Fire's page on it:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/The_Rains_of_Castamere

 

[Mjölnir]

I know I'm probably missing something but what was the significance of the song the band played that got Catelyn's attention? I don't remember other sections of the show where it played or what its importance was

The song was The Rains of Castamere, which the episode was named after.

Cersei talks about the meaning of the song to Margaery in the last episode. It's about when house Reyne (seated in Castamere) rose up against the Lannisters to claim power of the Westerlands (in the books they rise up because Tywin's father was a weak ruler, but in the show they say it's against Tywin). Tywin defeats House Rayne, kills their entire line and burns their castle which still stands empty and ruined.

 

[Marvolo]

I know I'm probably missing something but what was the significance of the song the band played that got Catelyn's attention? I don't remember other sections of the show where it played or what its importance was

Simply put, it is a Lannister song that shouldn't have been being played at the wedding. "The Rains of Castamere was a song written about Lord Tywin Lannister's crushing victory over rebellious House Reyne of Castamere and the destruction of the House at the end of their rebellion." When Cat heard it she knew they were betrayed. Something similar happened with Theon except Theon was too stupid to catch it. Bolton's Bastard, after saving him, said "Winter is Coming". That is a Nothern saying, and Theon should have realized that the guy saving him wasn't an Iron Born, and was working for the men who were torturing him.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Dany's gonna be in for a shock when she gets back to Westeros and finds that all the people who betrayed her family have murdered each other while she was away.

One thing I'm trying to figure out is how deep Bolton and Frey's betrayal really goes. If Robb had not married Talisa at all, if he'd stuck to the plan, then Frey wouldn't have done any of the stuff he did last night, right? But would Bolton have betrayed them to the Lannisters, or he would have stuck with the Starks because Robb hadn't ****ed everything up yet?

Or say Robb had faked Talisa's death like I suggested a while back, before approaching Frey. "Sorry about that dude, it was a mistake, but I'm all set to marry your daughter as agreed." Would Bolton still have betrayed them in that case?

 

[Mjölnir]

Major Book Spoilers. Please non-book viewers do not open this tag.

Spoiler

Those two events are followed by:
Shae betraying Tyrion and her death
Lannister's ruling Westeros
Westeros starving and dying of plague and sickness following the war
Tyrion's framing and imprisonment
Arya's blinding (yeah she gets her eyesight back but its still a screwed up moment)
Jon's assassination
Tyrion captured and enslaved then stuck between two warring armies with a third arriving
Sansa being held by Peter
etc.

I mean yeah there are some "hell yeah" moments to cheer, but things in Westeros are far from good, and are continually getting worse. For every good thing there are 10 bad.

Spoiler

There's certainly a lot of bad events but I just said that there's both good and bad. Tywin and Lysa dies as well. Cersei gets imprisoned and the Lannisters start to lose their grip on the throne. Things get rough but there are things to be happy about.

I don't think the Arya bit will be seen as that negative as it's a part of her training, and that overall will empower her (although I doubt she'll complete it).

Jon's death will be a hard moment but it's probably just passing as he becomes a contestant to be Azor Ahai (reborn in salt and smoke) so it might be a positive overall. Also interesting to see how his vows work if he comes back to life. He has served until his death.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Wow, I'm still shocked, I knew it was coming but still.

Same here.

Starting with the good, the scene with Jon was great, especially the "You were right the whole time." I liked getting more of Bran. His story moves VERY slow but I was always fascinated by it because I always thought he was destined for something great.

That ending left me feeling ill. I knew it would happen before reading the book. Reading it was still tense. I knew it would happen in the show, and it was still just as tense. Grey Wind getting killed was the saddest since he goes out like a boss in the book. I was hoping Arya was going to uncage him, but alas.

And Robb...I always said I didn't like him because he was stupid. But that was just trying to convince myself not to be sad about his death. Seeing it made me realize that

The North remembers though...

In the meantime, I'll be get back to watching Arrested Development. Need that show more than ever tonight.

The bolded part made me even sadder than I already was after watching the episode.

 

[stillanerd]

I know I'm probably missing something but what was the significance of the song the band played that got Catelyn's attention? I don't remember other sections of the show where it played or what its importance was

As others have said, the song is "The Rains of Castamere" which, as explained by Cersei to Margarey in the episode from two weeks ago, is all about how Tywin Lannister utterly decimated a rival house and which there are now no surviving members of that house left. That act is also what gave the Lannister house back it's reputation as a house to be feared and respected. Along with Roose Bolton telling Robb "The Lannisters send their regards," having that particular song play could serve as both a cue by Walder Frey to his men to get ready to start killing the Stark army, another insult towards Robb which he'd being ever since he arrived, and his way of saying that Tywin Lannister is the mastermind behind this betrayal.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I'm just happy that other Stark bannermen will be alive and turn against the Freys and Boltons. Maybe the Umbers will take Rickon and make him the seat of Winterfell. At the very least, a northern resistance against the Freys would be awesome.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm just happy that other Stark bannermen will be alive and turn against the Freys and Boltons. Maybe the Umbers will take Rickon and make him the seat of Winterfell. At the very least, a northern resistance against the Freys would be awesome.

The Karstarks abandoned Robb's cause, and the Bolton's betrayed him. The rest of his bannermen loyal to him encamped outside of the Twin's were slaughtered. After the Red Wedding there are no bannermen left to make a resistance. The North is Bolton's now.

 

[Drizzle]

In the meantime, I'll be get back to watching Arrested Development. Need that show more than ever tonight.

 

[stillanerd]

I'm just happy that other Stark bannermen will be alive and turn against the Freys and Boltons. Maybe the Umbers will take Rickon and make him the seat of Winterfell. At the very least, a northern resistance against the Freys would be awesome.

Well, that army was looking pretty drunk and the preview for next episode [blackout]showed their encampment burning[/blackout] so it looks like Robb's bannermen are getting wiped out too, or at least scattered every which way. If the later, maybe some join up with the Brotherhood without Banners. Also, let's not forget that half of Robb's army is composed of Bolton's own soldiers who are going to be loyal to him.

If there is any consolation, it's that Walder Frey has just guaranteed that his entire house will now forever be known as a bunch of underhanded murderous backstabbers who no one will ever want to associate with ever again. Because even though Walder believed he was justified in taking revenge over Robb going back on his word to marry one of the Frey girls, he committed an even greater, unforgivable offense in killing people he invited as guests into his own home, and during a wedding to boot. If he thought he was going to benefit from whatever deal he cut with Bolton and the Lannisters, then his need for revenge really made him shortsighted and just plain dumb.

 

[Sawyer]

lol at people online threatening to quit watching. Grow up.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

The Karstarks abandoned Robb's cause, and the Bolton's betrayed him. The rest of his bannermen loyal to him encamped outside of the Twin's were slaughtered. After the Red Wedding there are no bannermen left to make a resistance. The North is Bolton's now.

I see But there has to be someone, right? The Umbers? There just has to be someone or some bannermen who've survived. The Glovers? Dammit.

 

[chamber-music]

The surviving northerners are lucky Bolton doesn't the Brave Companions or his bastard loose on them. The White walkers are marching south as well so when word of that gets out they are all going to be in trouble.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

At least Blackfish was taking a piss during that ****storm.

Question for those who have read the books

Spoiler

Does Blackfish actually survive?

 

[Poeman]

At least Blackfish was taking a piss during that ****storm.

Question for those who have read the books

Spoiler

Does Blackfish actually survive?

Spoiler

yes