Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 9

[Pink Ranger]

Question: Is Littlefinger still in Kings Landing as of the finale? I don't remember if he appeared at Tyrion's wedding or not and remember a scene in the middle of the season where Sansa was watching a ship go away but thought it was Ser Loras she was crying for.

I wonder when she realizes the years of ambiguity, confusion and heartache she just sidestepped. t:

 

[Buford The Sly]

Question: Is Littlefinger still in Kings Landing as of the finale? I don't remember if he appeared at Tyrion's wedding or not and remember a scene in the middle of the season where Sansa was watching a ship go away but thought it was Ser Loras she was crying for.

That was Littlefinger's ship. He was not at the Sansa/Tyrion wedding.

 

[TheSpartanX54]

Question: Is Littlefinger still in Kings Landing as of the finale? I don't remember if he appeared at Tyrion's wedding or not and remember a scene in the middle of the season where Sansa was watching a ship go away but thought it was Ser Loras she was crying for.

No on both questions. She was crying because Littlefinger offered her to go to the Eyrie with him and Littlefinger left without her.

 

[Pink Ranger]

No on both questions. She was crying because Littlefinger offered her to go to the Eyrie with him and Littlefinger left without her.

Good lord, I can't imagine what Littlefinger would have done to her alone on a boat. She's better off with Tyrion or Loras; she remains unmolested in either case.

 

[TheSpartanX54]

Good lord, I can't imagine what Littlefinger would have done to her alone on a boat. She's better off with Tyrion or Loras; she remains unmolested in either case.

True. Littlefinger is a freaking creep.

 

[lime]

What are your TOP 5 episodes of the series thus far?

Mine are:

1. Blackwater (S2)
2. A Golden Crown (S1)
3. Fire and Blood (S1)
4. The Rains of Castamere (S3)
5. Baelor (S1)

 

[Jordacar]

True. Littlefinger is a freaking creep.

(Having not read the books) I hope Sansa gives him a big ol' slap in the face if she ever sees him again. Not for anything specific, just because.

 

[casscain]

I loved the council scene in the finale. Joffrey happily hopping around after finding out Robb was dead and Tyrion asking if he had just killed some puppies. I do have a question. I'm not sure if I missed it, but it seemed Tyrion didn't know about Robb's death until the meeting. I don't recall there being a council discussion about how Robb was assassinated at a wedding, but Tyrion mentions that to Tywin. Did I miss something?

 

[Drz]

He knew Tywin was the mastermind behind it.

 

[Thundercrack85]

One does have to wonder how long it would have taken for Sansa to figure out that Loras wasn't into ladies.

 

[Pink Ranger]

One does have to wonder how long it would have taken for Sansa to figure out that Loras wasn't into ladies.

From what I can tell, she'd still be figuring it out by the end of the next winter.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Not really. They choose to hint at things that are implied in the book for maximum reaction like Theon's castration, but they also do that with revealing that Renly and Loras are explicitly gay or that Margaery is just as scheming as Olenna.

Simultaneously they do choose to cut things when they think Martin goes too far. You complain about the Red Wedding, but as I recall they showed neither Cat mutilating her face or her body being stripped naked and thrown into the river. Those both would have been far more graphic than what we got in the battle. In the same vein, they chose not to have Tyrion's nose totally cut off like in the book.

It is the give and take for adaptation.

As for Talisa's womb stabbing, the point you really seem to be harking back on, I would argue it was done as a character moment. In the books, Jeyne Westerling is just a dangling plot thread that is left hanging by Martin. Probably indefinitely. Beyond wrapping up that plot thread by killing her off, it maximizes the loss for Robb Stark (and thus we the audience) of not only knowing that he dies, but that his hope for the future with a Stark heir in Winterfell seemingly die. In short, it makes the scene sadder and maximizes the punch while also surprising book readers who felt cocky in knowing how it'd play out.

I actually think it was a wise addition to the show.

Pretty good response...makes me think a lot about it. I would strongly guess Martin is kinda pigeon holed into non-use with the westerling plot by her not even being in the show...and I think your thoughts make a lot of sense.

 

[Sawyer]

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These are the two I most hope cross paths again before the story is done.

 

[TheSpartanX54]

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These are the two I most hope cross paths again before the story is done.

I would like to see that. But I really want to see Jon and Dany cross paths. That would be interesting.

 

[Dr. Manhatten]

I would like to see that. But I really want to see Jon and Dany cross paths. That would be interesting.

Maybe it's the performances but I could watch a full spin off of Varys and Littlefinger just standing in throne rooms trying to out scheme each other. There's a weird chemistry they have that always fascinates me

 

[Silvermoon]

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These are the two I most hope cross paths again before the story is done.

I would like to see that. But I really want to see Jon and Dany cross paths. That would be interesting.

Yeah, I'd like to see both Jon and Tyrion cross paths again as well as Jon meeting Dany (possible book spoiler/theory) [BLACKOUT]especially if the R+L=J theory is true[/BLACKOUT].

What I most want to see, however, and would absolutely love is a reunion between Jon and Arya. I'm rewatching the series from season 1 (while at the same time trying to finish reading Book 2 - weird to do both at once, probably, but no one ever said I was normal I'm over halfway done with the book) and just watching Jon say goodbye to Arya

 

[lime]

What is [BLACKOUT]R+L=J[/BLACKOUT]?

 

[Silvermoon]

What is [BLACKOUT]R+L=J[/BLACKOUT]?

Again, possible book spoilers/theory ahead... don't read if you don't want to know....

Spoiler

R+L=J is the theory that Jon isn't Ned Stark's bastard, but instead that Jon's "Stark" blood comes from Ned's sister, Lyanna and that Jon's father is actually Rhaegar Targaryen. That Ned's promise to Lyanna was that he take the baby and keep him safe (because if Robert were to get hint that Lyanna had a child by Rhaegar, I imagine Robert wouldn't have hesitated in killing the child). Some speculate that Jon isn't a bastard at all and that Rhaegar was actually married to Lyanna when Jon was born (I believe it wasn't terribly uncommon for Targaryen's to practice polygamy in addition to incest?)

you can read more on the theory here if you're interested: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories#Lyanna_Stark

 

[Pink Ranger]

Maybe it's the performances but I could watch a full spin off of Varys and Littlefinger just standing in throne rooms trying to out scheme each other. There's a weird chemistry they have that always fascinates me

Varys has the ultimate advantage, as he has much fewer primal lusts to distract him from his work.

You want to increase your productivity at the office? Cut off your nads.

 

[Hyde]

Again, possible book spoilers/theory ahead... don't read if you don't want to know....

Spoiler

R+L=J is the theory that Jon isn't Ned Stark's bastard, but instead that Jon's "Stark" blood comes from Ned's sister, Lyanna and that Jon's father is actually Rhaegar Targaryen. That Ned's promise to Lyanna was that he take the baby and keep him safe (because if Robert were to get hint that Lyanna had a child by Rhaegar, I imagine Robert wouldn't have hesitated in killing the child). Some speculate that Jon isn't a bastard at all and that Rhaegar was actually married to Lyanna when Jon was born (I believe it wasn't terribly uncommon for Targaryen's to practice polygamy in addition to incest?)

you can read more on the theory here if you're interested: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jon_Snow/Theories#Lyanna_Stark

So...

Spoiler

If that's true, then Ned was actually Jon's uncle, and he and Dany are half-brother and sister...?

Unless I read that wrong

 

[Silvermoon]

So...

Spoiler

If that's true, then Ned was actually Jon's uncle, and he and Dany are half-brother and sister...?

Unless I read that wrong

Spoiler

Rhaegar was Dany's brother (oldest brother I believe?) so she would be Jon's aunt if this theory is true, and yes, Ned would be Jon's uncle

 

[Roose Bolton]

So...

Spoiler

If that's true, then Ned was actually Jon's uncle, and he and Dany are half-brother and sister...?

Unless I read that wrong

Spoiler

Jon would be Dany's nephew. Rhaegar was Dany's oldest brother who died before she was born.

 

[Hyde]

Ah, thanks. Was under the impression [BLACKOUT]Rhaegar was their father, or the 'Mad King'.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Ramsay Snow]

What I most want to see, however, and would absolutely love is a reunion between Jon and Arya. I'm rewatching the series from season 1 (while at the same time trying to finish reading Book 2 - weird to do both at once, probably, but no one ever said I was normal I'm over halfway done with the book) and just watching Jon say goodbye to Arya

OMG I'd love to see a Jon & Arya reunion. They had such a cute scene in Season 1 and I still when I rewatch it. That was a perfect scene and so adorable!

 

[Thundercrack85]

Are theories based on events that happened in the show considered spoilers?

I never read the books (until after season 1), and I figured out there was something weird about Jon's past in the first few episodes.

I mean, Ned "honor before reason" Stark having a bastard? That should tell you something is up. And then him being all secretive about the mother to Robert? Then consider his age.